Drugs in other sports and the media.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682101#p19682101]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/18/athletics-drugs-doping-iaaf-legalise#comments
Possibly the dumbest article I've ever read on the subject.
And Joel, it's not evil. It's cheating at sports.
It's more than that fella, using influence to get other people busted...0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682101#p19682101]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/18/athletics-drugs-doping-iaaf-legalise#comments
Possibly the dumbest article I've ever read on the subject.
And Joel, it's not evil. It's cheating at sports.
Simon Jenkins is a bit of a wind up merchant generally.
Good interview with Greg Rutherford in the same paper however. He's like a gobby Oscar Freiere.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682101#p19682101]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/18/athletics-drugs-doping-iaaf-legalise#comments
Possibly the dumbest article I've ever read on the subject.
And Joel, it's not evil. It's cheating at sports.
It's more than that fella, using influence to get other people busted...
Those people who got busted....dopers, presumably? Or did Lewis arrange for innocents to be popped?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682137#p19682137]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682101#p19682101]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/18/athletics-drugs-doping-iaaf-legalise#comments
Possibly the dumbest article I've ever read on the subject.
And Joel, it's not evil. It's cheating at sports.
It's more than that fella, using influence to get other people busted...
Those people who got busted....dopers, presumably? Or did Lewis arrange for innocents to be popped?
That's not really the point. Being a doper and using influence to get a rival doper popped is disgusting0 -
Ah. I see.
Ethics are pesky things.0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/18/iaaf-drug-testing-world-athletics-championships-beijing-doping
The global governing body of athletics is to abandon its policy of drug-testing every athlete during the upcoming world championships in Beijing, the Guardian has learned, with only a third of competitors slated to have their blood taken and scrutinised......
SMFHNapoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/aug/18/iaaf-drug-testing-world-athletics-championships-beijing-doping
The global governing body of athletics is to abandon its policy of drug-testing every athlete during the upcoming world championships in Beijing, the Guardian has learned, with only a third of competitors slated to have their blood taken and scrutinised......
SMFH
Now, now, the IAAF have a VERY expensive end of year party to fund. Those party bags don't fill themselves, you know0 -
That's not really the point. Being a doper and using influence to get a rival doper popped is disgusting
If you're going to do a job (in this case cheating) you might as well do it properly. The aim of cheating is to win, so why not take out the opposition so they don't need to be beaten?0 -
It would seem sensible to only test the winning third. If someone dopes to finish last it hasn't affected the overall result. It's a war on athletics!0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682255#p19682255]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:That's not really the point. Being a doper and using influence to get a rival doper popped is disgusting
If you're going to do a job (in this case cheating) you might as well do it properly. The aim of cheating is to win, so why not take out the opposition so they don't need to be beaten?
I think Joel believes in honour amongst thieves0 -
Richard Moore has just RTd the link to this
Worth a read
(for those who are unfamiliar with letsrun.com, its no glossy, everything-in-our-sport-is-wonderful kind of athletics news content platform. Far from. Its broken a number of doping stories, run critical pieces on strongarm tactics by Nike in USTAF...that sort of thing. There's also the letsrun.com forum where some Clinic-type loons hang out, but we can overlook that for now)
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/08/letsrun-coms-thoughts-on-the-sunday-times-doping-investigation/0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682101#p19682101]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/18/athletics-drugs-doping-iaaf-legalise#comments
Possibly the dumbest article I've ever read on the subject.
And Joel, it's not evil. It's cheating at sports.
Simon Jenkins is a bit of a wind up merchant generally.
Good interview with Greg Rutherford in the same paper however. He's like a gobby Oscar Freiere.
I've really warmed to Rutherford. Like others I felt his 2012 win was a bit of a fluke but he's just kept on winning ever since. And he gives a good value interview as you say.Giant Trance X 2010
Specialized Tricross Sport
My Dad's old racer
Trek Marlin 29er 20120 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682264#p19682264]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
(for those who are unfamiliar with letsrun.com, its no glossy, everything-in-our-sport-is-wonderful kind of athletics news content platform. Far from. Its broken a number of doping stories, run critical pieces on strongarm tactics by Nike in USTAF...that sort of thing. There's also the letsrun.com forum where some Clinic-type loons hang out, but we can overlook that for now)
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Let's Run is a big believer in Radcliffe. I believe the owner has promised to shut down the website if she is ever found to have doped.0 -
Also, all this clinging to 1/100 thing is slight annoying when looking at a large amount of anonymised results. Yes, 100 suspicious (1/100) results may mean that only 99 people were doping, but that extra innocent person isn't named, so is largely irrelevant.0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682264#p19682264]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
(for those who are unfamiliar with letsrun.com, its no glossy, everything-in-our-sport-is-wonderful kind of athletics news content platform. Far from. Its broken a number of doping stories, run critical pieces on strongarm tactics by Nike in USTAF...that sort of thing. There's also the letsrun.com forum where some Clinic-type loons hang out, but we can overlook that for now)
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Let's Run is a big believer in Radcliffe. I believe the owner has promised to shut down the website if she is ever found to have doped.
Do you have a link where he states that?
Irrespectively,it still stands that what they publish on many an occasion is worth a read
Richard Moore has said on a number of occasions that in his view Sky run a clean shop. Doesnt mean to say his views on doping in cycling arent worth listening to.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682282#p19682282]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682264#p19682264]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
(for those who are unfamiliar with letsrun.com, its no glossy, everything-in-our-sport-is-wonderful kind of athletics news content platform. Far from. Its broken a number of doping stories, run critical pieces on strongarm tactics by Nike in USTAF...that sort of thing. There's also the letsrun.com forum where some Clinic-type loons hang out, but we can overlook that for now)
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Let's Run is a big believer in Radcliffe. I believe the owner has promised to shut down the website if she is ever found to have doped.
Do you have a link where he states that?
Irrespectively,it still stands that what they publish on many an occasion is worth a read
Richard Moore has said on a number of occasions that in his view Sky run a clean shop. Doesnt mean to say his views on doping in cycling arent worth listening to.
This is the internet - you expect proof to back up idle statements of fact? Rather surprisingly, a quick Google has got me out of trouble and reveals the following:I don't know if Paula Radcliffe was clean. I did say I'd shut down the site, but now that I'm a bit older I'm a bit wiser. Paula is the one who told me, "You only know about yourself (being clean)."
From Wejo at
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6667588&page=1
Clearly, he's had a slight change of mind. Phil Liggett springs to mind
Yes, the website is worth a read for such matters, I wasn't disputing that. It was merely an additional snippet of information.0 -
Plus, all fans have rose tinted glasses when they look at sport. There's someone on here that defiantly defends Indurain's record!0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682262#p19682262]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682255#p19682255]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:That's not really the point. Being a doper and using influence to get a rival doper popped is disgusting
If you're going to do a job (in this case cheating) you might as well do it properly. The aim of cheating is to win, so why not take out the opposition so they don't need to be beaten?
I think Joel believes in honour amongst thieves
A kind of Geneva Convention for cyclists, perhaps?
I always thought Lance got a rough deal for his calls to Hein and Pat when he needed a doping rival to test positive. Cooperating with the authorities / breaking Omerta seem very popular on the whole and yet Lance just got further abuse for reporting Mayo to the authorities.0 -
I thought Mayo got done when his Doctor was fingered by David Millar.
Never the same rider since.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
I thought Mayo got done when his Doctor was fingered by David Millar.
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Pinky or index?0 -
I see they are learning from FIFA. The less you test for the less you discover. No positives \ no problem
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682282#p19682282]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682264#p19682264]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
(for those who are unfamiliar with letsrun.com, its no glossy, everything-in-our-sport-is-wonderful kind of athletics news content platform. Far from. Its broken a number of doping stories, run critical pieces on strongarm tactics by Nike in USTAF...that sort of thing. There's also the letsrun.com forum where some Clinic-type loons hang out, but we can overlook that for now)
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Let's Run is a big believer in Radcliffe. I believe the owner has promised to shut down the website if she is ever found to have doped.
Do you have a link where he states that?
Irrespectively,it still stands that what they publish on many an occasion is worth a read
Richard Moore has said on a number of occasions that in his view Sky run a clean shop. Doesnt mean to say his views on doping in cycling arent worth listening to.
This is the internet - you expect proof to back up idle statements of fact? Rather surprisingly, a quick Google has got me out of trouble and reveals the following:I don't know if Paula Radcliffe was clean. I did say I'd shut down the site, but now that I'm a bit older I'm a bit wiser. Paula is the one who told me, "You only know about yourself (being clean)."
From Wejo at
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6667588&page=1
Clearly, he's had a slight change of mind. Phil Liggett springs to mind
Yes, the website is worth a read for such matters, I wasn't disputing that. It was merely an additional snippet of information.
Aye. Fair enough.0 -
I thought Mayo got done when his Doctor was fingered by David Millar.
Never the same rider since.
You could well be right. I have a recollection that Lance grassed up someone after the Dauphine one year when they were looking too good. I thought it was Mayo, but the list of potential doping rivals is not short, so it could have been someone else.0 -
Former Olympic 1500m champion Lord Coe has been elected president of athletics' governing body, the IAAF.
The sport's 214 federations cast their votes in Beijing to decide who should lead the sport, which is dealing with the fall-out from a series of doping allegations.
Coe, the former London 2012 chairman, succeeds Senegalese Lamine Diack, 82, who has been in charge for 16 years. Coe polled 115 votes to Ukrainian pole vaulter Sergey Bubka's 92. The election was held three days before the 2015 World Championships get under way in Beijing and Coe's initial term will be for four years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/339834320 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682262#p19682262]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682255#p19682255]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:That's not really the point. Being a doper and using influence to get a rival doper popped is disgusting
If you're going to do a job (in this case cheating) you might as well do it properly. The aim of cheating is to win, so why not take out the opposition so they don't need to be beaten?
I think Joel believes in honour amongst thieves
That's a good way of putting it.
If the organisation isn't interested in catching cheats and your main competitors are cheating then I don't see it as an issue to do the same otherwise you are at a disadvantage. To be in cahoots with that organisation as it is in your and their best interest (a la Armstrong, Lewis) and to vindictively bust a Hamilton or a Landis goes beyond the pale.
Obviously in an ideal world the governing body roots out all cheats or at the very least does the best it can to minimise doping (which I think is what is happening these days in cycling). Alas, that isn't the case in most instances.
I'm very disappointed that slimeball Coe has got the job, if he doesn't do something to try to properly clean up the sport then I personally will be very vocal and scathing on Twatter. No doubt he will be very scared to hear that
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^Coe's all a-tremble, Joel! 0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682317#p19682317]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682282#p19682282]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682264#p19682264]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
(for those who are unfamiliar with letsrun.com, its no glossy, everything-in-our-sport-is-wonderful kind of athletics news content platform. Far from. Its broken a number of doping stories, run critical pieces on strongarm tactics by Nike in USTAF...that sort of thing. There's also the letsrun.com forum where some Clinic-type loons hang out, but we can overlook that for now)
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Let's Run is a big believer in Radcliffe. I believe the owner has promised to shut down the website if she is ever found to have doped.
Do you have a link where he states that?
Irrespectively,it still stands that what they publish on many an occasion is worth a read
Richard Moore has said on a number of occasions that in his view Sky run a clean shop. Doesnt mean to say his views on doping in cycling arent worth listening to.
This is the internet - you expect proof to back up idle statements of fact? Rather surprisingly, a quick Google has got me out of trouble and reveals the following:I don't know if Paula Radcliffe was clean. I did say I'd shut down the site, but now that I'm a bit older I'm a bit wiser. Paula is the one who told me, "You only know about yourself (being clean)."
From Wejo at
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6667588&page=1
Clearly, he's had a slight change of mind. Phil Liggett springs to mind
Yes, the website is worth a read for such matters, I wasn't disputing that. It was merely an additional snippet of information.
Aye. Fair enough.
For those who aren't aware, LetsRun site co-owner Weldon Johnson paced Paula R in one of her world record runs.
"Escorting Paula
By Weldon Johnson
April 7, 2003
Much ado has been made by the decision of the Flora London Marathon to use male pacemakers in this year's marathon to help England's Paula Radcliffe try and break her own world record. Since I escorted Paula for 25 miles of her world record run at the LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon, I guess it's time for me to share my story..."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qVCOyczJpxcJ:dev.letsrun.com/2003/escortingpaula.php+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682643#p19682643]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:^Coe's all a-tremble, Joel!
I know. I've just bought a skinny, greasy voodoo doll.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682262#p19682262]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682255#p19682255]Wallace and Gromit[/url] wrote:That's not really the point. Being a doper and using influence to get a rival doper popped is disgusting
If you're going to do a job (in this case cheating) you might as well do it properly. The aim of cheating is to win, so why not take out the opposition so they don't need to be beaten?
I think Joel believes in honour amongst thieves
That's a good way of putting it.
If the organisation isn't interested in catching cheats and your main competitors are cheating then I don't see it as an issue to do the same otherwise you are at a disadvantage. To be in cahoots with that organisation as it is in your and their best interest (a la Armstrong, Lewis) and to vindictively bust a Hamilton or a Landis goes beyond the pale.
Obviously in an ideal world the governing body roots out all cheats or at the very least does the best it can to minimise doping (which I think is what is happening these days in cycling). Alas, that isn't the case in most instances.
I'm very disappointed that slimeball Coe has got the job, if he doesn't do something to try to properly clean up the sport then I personally will be very vocal and scathing on Twatter. No doubt he will be very scared to hear that
Well they've already elected Paula Radcliffe onto the IAAF cross country committee so they're off to a new start. Nothing like a new broom eh. 0 -
letsrun.com forum offers many a 'friend' for athletics snark0
