Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Didn't know where to put this but I heard an interview with Diane Modahl on Radio 5 yesterday and it's worth looking up for all those hang 'em high, no smoke without fire advocates. Banned for 4 years at arguably the peak of her career, eventually won an appeal at huge financial cost (I think she lost her house as a result) and all the strain that goes with it. She chased damages through the Courts but lost on a technicality due to it being deemed that she did not have a contract with the BAF. The case also played a major part in the financial collapse of the BAF. I could imagine an even worse outcome if it happened to someone with less support.
Even after the complete lack of quality control in the Lisbon lab that discovered the positive was not enough to stop some carrying on the 'no smoke without fire' mantra.0 -
pro sports is riddled with drug cheats. there is always smoke because they're in a cheaters place.
It should be expected, to say there isn't any evidence is far from not cheating.
This is my opinion, others support doping. that's just the way it is0 -
Alejandrosdog wrote:pro sports is riddled with drug cheats. there is always smoke because they're in a cheaters place.
It should be expected, to say there isn't any evidence is far from not cheating.
This is my opinion, others support doping. that's just the way it is
Talking of smoke, have you been smoking something tonight?0 -
David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;
https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a
if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.0 -
ShinyHelmut wrote:David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;
https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a
if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.
If it's fully accepted by all involved, I suppose it isn't a problem - is that what he meant?0 -
BBC report that Nike have closed the Oregon project because the Salazar “situation “ has become a “distraction “.0
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We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The gym I went to when i first moved up North was full of roided up rugby league players. Accepted fact that probably all of them (at least the ones who look like tribute acts to balloon animals) are on the gear. Not sure about Union - suespect it's pretty much the sameShinyHelmut wrote:David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;
https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a
if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.Fat chopper. Some racing. Some testing. Some crashing.
Specialising in Git Daaahns and Cafs. Norvern Munkey/Transplanted Laaandoner.0 -
You know that and I know that; it seems though that certain Times journalists accept that they all give up the drugs when they turn pro.0
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It might be the third or fourth time I've mentioned this in this thread alone but when I played rugby it was common for people to dose up on Ibuprofen and Pro plus before games even at the pathetically low level I used to play at.
Usually, harder core drugs were only taken by the wideboi yardies who took hardcore core drugs at the weekend too and thus only resulted in them getting fat...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Cruff wrote:
The gym I went to when i first moved up North was full of roided up rugby league players. Accepted fact that probably all of them (at least the ones who look like tribute acts to balloon animals) are on the gear. Not sure about Union - suespect it's pretty much the sameShinyHelmut wrote:David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;
https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a
if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.
In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.0 -
Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.Pross wrote:
In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.Twitter: @RichN950 -
They may take it to look good but I guess they also take it in order to win which might also make them look good.RichN95 wrote:
Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.Pross wrote:
In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.0 -
Nah. It's widespread throughout the valley communities. It's just some of them also play for their local low level team. Most don't.Webboo wrote:
They may take it to look good but I guess they also take it in order to win which might also make them look good.RichN95 wrote:
Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.Pross wrote:
In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.Twitter: @RichN950 -
So similar to up north then.RichN95 wrote:
Nah. It's widespread throughout the valley communities. It's just some of them also play for their local low level team. Most don't.Webboo wrote:
They may take it to look good but I guess they also take it in order to win which might also make them look good.RichN95 wrote:
Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.Pross wrote:
In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.0 -
Under two hour marathon in this climate is both a good time and bad timing0
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SpecialGuestStar wrote:Under two hour marathon in this climate is both a good time and bad timing
True. Such a sad state of affairs that immediately after he broke the record Twitter was rife with accusations of how he achieved such a feat.
It seems we now live in a time when any/ every sporting success is apparently only achieved by doping
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To be fair, given the attempt was sponsored by Ineos, the use of chemical assistance would be good marketing.0
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I someone came up with a pill that cures most of the worlds diseases there would be people on twitter saying it was fake or some 'big pharma plot' and there would be tabloid newspapers scouring his personal life from thirty years ago to find some scandal. And I say 'his' because if it was a woman, they'd find a man to give the credit to.redvision wrote:SpecialGuestStar wrote:Under two hour marathon in this climate is both a good time and bad timing
True. Such a sad state of affairs that immediately after he broke the record Twitter was rife with accusations of how he achieved such a feat.
It seems we now live in a time when any/ every sporting success is apparently only achieved by dopingTwitter: @RichN950 -
'If it starts getting too hot , run into a wall'0
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RichN95 wrote:If there's a team triathlon in the Olympics, then Kenya are just looking for a moderate swimmer
Look at Froome though. He's been off the bike for four months, yet doesn't look like he's even close to being overweight. I know he's getting on, but his professionalism and motivation seem undimmed.0 -
andyp wrote:RichN95 wrote:If there's a team triathlon in the Olympics, then Kenya are just looking for a moderate swimmer
Look at Froome though. He's been off the bike for four months, yet doesn't look like he's even close to being overweight. I know he's getting on, but his professionalism and motivation seem undimmed.
Froome looks horribly thin. My personal view is he doesnt look healthy.0 -
speaking of marathons, Kenyans & records falling...I note the womens marathon world record is now 2:14:04 set by Brigid Kosgei at the Chicago marathon.0
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They did have a pace car in front of the pack pointing a laser at the track, that probably used some Ineos chemicals (he had multiple teams of 7 pacers running a TT in front of him...)RichN95 wrote:
I think Ineos's chemicals would be more a hindrance than a help.andyp wrote:To be fair, given the attempt was sponsored by Ineos, the use of chemical assistance would be good marketing.
When you look at the assistance it's pretty interesting he only shaved ~2 mins off his official record. I guess he's just right at the limits of what's possible.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:
They did have a pace car in front of the pack pointing a laser at the track, that probably used some Ineos chemicals (he had multiple teams of 7 pacers running a TT in front of him...)RichN95 wrote:
I think Ineos's chemicals would be more a hindrance than a help.andyp wrote:To be fair, given the attempt was sponsored by Ineos, the use of chemical assistance would be good marketing.
When you look at the assistance it's pretty interesting he only shaved ~2 mins off his official record. I guess he's just right at the limits of what's possible.
Don't a lot of marathons employ pace makers for a similar reason? Granted, they perhaps aren't quite so blatant as in this attempt, but still. What seemed most remarkable was just how fresh he looked at the end. Looked like he could have gone round again.0 -
I think it's fair to say that he could have gone a bit quicker under those conditions, as you say, given how fresh he looked at the end - there was a brief spell in the midpoint where he came slightly behind the pace but otherwise running at a steady pace and completely sheltered from the wind, will be considerably easier than an actual marathon race, where the pace will surge and where much of the time you are setting your own pace and in the wind.
More impressive this weekend was Kosgei's new womens record, four minutes off her previous best, and a minute and a half off Paula's record (which let's be honest, lots of people thought suspicious, particularly in combination with the suspicious bio passport revelations a couple of years back...)
Certainly we seem to be in a new era, where, for whatever reason, feats previously thought near impossible can happen twice in one weekend.
Is it the new shoes, like those swimming costumes a few years back providing a big technical advantage? Is it these new lactate buffer products that Lance keeps shilling on his youtube? Or is it a new EPO type drug?0
