Drugs in other sports and the media.

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  • larkimlarkim Posts: 2,259
    But don't take my word for it, read the arbitration judgement - you might form a different view from me, but you might not. I have a bias towards Salazar as the coach of my favourite athlete (whom I am also biased towards presuming to be clean) so be sceptical about my opinions. But I hold them honestly, in that context.

    He has history for testosterone though, Mary Slaney (Decker) was pinged while being coached by Salazar. He may of course have known nothing about her doping.
    Agreed, I don't know much about that one other than what I've gleaned from Wikipedia etc. I believe she still protests innocence, so she hasn't personally implicated Salazar, but it's a logical inference to make that a convicted doper had a coach who was either aware of or instigated the doping.
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  • sherersherer Posts: 2,347
    larkim wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    from what I can gather, he as experimenting to work out how much he could legal dope someone up to and not show a positive
    You should read the judgement then, because what you've gathered is not what was found.

    If I get time over the weekend I’ll give it a read
  • ProssPross Posts: 21,542
    Didn't know where to put this but I heard an interview with Diane Modahl on Radio 5 yesterday and it's worth looking up for all those hang 'em high, no smoke without fire advocates. Banned for 4 years at arguably the peak of her career, eventually won an appeal at huge financial cost (I think she lost her house as a result) and all the strain that goes with it. She chased damages through the Courts but lost on a technicality due to it being deemed that she did not have a contract with the BAF. The case also played a major part in the financial collapse of the BAF. I could imagine an even worse outcome if it happened to someone with less support.

    Even after the complete lack of quality control in the Lisbon lab that discovered the positive was not enough to stop some carrying on the 'no smoke without fire' mantra.
  • pro sports is riddled with drug cheats. there is always smoke because they're in a cheaters place.
    It should be expected, to say there isn't any evidence is far from not cheating.

    This is my opinion, others support doping. that's just the way it is
  • ProssPross Posts: 21,542
    pro sports is riddled with drug cheats. there is always smoke because they're in a cheaters place.
    It should be expected, to say there isn't any evidence is far from not cheating.

    This is my opinion, others support doping. that's just the way it is

    Talking of smoke, have you been smoking something tonight?
  • shinyhelmutshinyhelmut Posts: 1,339
    David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;

    https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a

    if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.
  • bigmatbigmat Posts: 5,108
    David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;

    https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a

    if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.

    If it's fully accepted by all involved, I suppose it isn't a problem - is that what he meant?
  • cq20cq20 Posts: 167
    BBC report that Nike have closed the Oregon project because the Salazar “situation “ has become a “distraction “.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 19,397
    Noregon project...

    https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1182 ... 26496?s=19

    (Oregone Project?)
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  • cruffcruff Posts: 1,417
    David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;

    https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a

    if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.
    The gym I went to when i first moved up North was full of roided up rugby league players. Accepted fact that probably all of them (at least the ones who look like tribute acts to balloon animals) are on the gear. Not sure about Union - suespect it's pretty much the same
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  • shinyhelmutshinyhelmut Posts: 1,339
    You know that and I know that; it seems though that certain Times journalists accept that they all give up the drugs when they turn pro.
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 19,397
    It might be the third or fourth time I've mentioned this in this thread alone but when I played rugby it was common for people to dose up on Ibuprofen and Pro plus before games even at the pathetically low level I used to play at.

    Usually, harder core drugs were only taken by the wideboi yardies who took hardcore core drugs at the weekend too and thus only resulted in them getting fat...
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  • ProssPross Posts: 21,542
    cruff wrote:
    David Walsh talking about doping in rugby;

    https://play.acast.com/s/theruck/dccc4e07-f034-4c61-8a0c-beff962f507a

    if you can't spare 30 minutes to listen the gist is that international rugby doesn't have a major drug problem. I'm sure you're all relieved to hear this.
    The gym I went to when i first moved up North was full of roided up rugby league players. Accepted fact that probably all of them (at least the ones who look like tribute acts to balloon animals) are on the gear. Not sure about Union - suespect it's pretty much the same

    In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,766
    Pross wrote:

    In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.
    Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.
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  • webboowebboo Posts: 2,080
    RichN95 wrote:
    Pross wrote:

    In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.
    Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.
    They may take it to look good but I guess they also take it in order to win which might also make them look good.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,766
    webboo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Pross wrote:

    In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.
    Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.
    They may take it to look good but I guess they also take it in order to win which might also make them look good.
    Nah. It's widespread throughout the valley communities. It's just some of them also play for their local low level team. Most don't.
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  • ddraverddraver Posts: 19,397
    If there are corporate types taking Ritalin for better work performance, it's no surprise gym bunnies take steroids.

    Steroids work!
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  • webboowebboo Posts: 2,080
    RichN95 wrote:
    webboo wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Pross wrote:

    In South Wales at least it's pretty rife but probably more so at lower levels where it's just that a lot of players are also gym bunnies and they're taking stuff to look good with their fake tans and muscle fit t shirts when on the pull at the weekend rather than for sporting advantage. They aren't making a living from the sport so aren't really bothered about getting caught.
    Valley boy roiders are like the sun. They're big, they're orange and it's dangerous to stare directly at them.
    They may take it to look good but I guess they also take it in order to win which might also make them look good.
    Nah. It's widespread throughout the valley communities. It's just some of them also play for their local low level team. Most don't.
    So similar to up north then.
  • Under two hour marathon in this climate is both a good time and bad timing
  • redvisionredvision Posts: 2,436
    Under two hour marathon in this climate is both a good time and bad timing

    True. Such a sad state of affairs that immediately after he broke the record Twitter was rife with accusations of how he achieved such a feat.

    It seems we now live in a time when any/ every sporting success is apparently only achieved by doping :(
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,112
    To be fair, given the attempt was sponsored by Ineos, the use of chemical assistance would be good marketing.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,766
    andyp wrote:
    To be fair, given the attempt was sponsored by Ineos, the use of chemical assistance would be good marketing.
    I think Ineos's chemicals would be more a hindrance than a help.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,766
    redvision wrote:
    Under two hour marathon in this climate is both a good time and bad timing

    True. Such a sad state of affairs that immediately after he broke the record Twitter was rife with accusations of how he achieved such a feat.

    It seems we now live in a time when any/ every sporting success is apparently only achieved by doping :(
    I someone came up with a pill that cures most of the worlds diseases there would be people on twitter saying it was fake or some 'big pharma plot' and there would be tabloid newspapers scouring his personal life from thirty years ago to find some scandal. And I say 'his' because if it was a woman, they'd find a man to give the credit to.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,766
    If there's a team triathlon in the Olympics, then Kenya are just looking for a moderate swimmer

    EGqruD-X4AAu09a.jpg
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  • 'If it starts getting too hot , run into a wall'
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,112
    RichN95 wrote:
    If there's a team triathlon in the Olympics, then Kenya are just looking for a moderate swimmer

    EGqruD-X4AAu09a.jpg

    :D

    Look at Froome though. He's been off the bike for four months, yet doesn't look like he's even close to being overweight. I know he's getting on, but his professionalism and motivation seem undimmed.
  • andyp wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    If there's a team triathlon in the Olympics, then Kenya are just looking for a moderate swimmer

    EGqruD-X4AAu09a.jpg

    :D

    Look at Froome though. He's been off the bike for four months, yet doesn't look like he's even close to being overweight. I know he's getting on, but his professionalism and motivation seem undimmed.

    Froome looks horribly thin. My personal view is he doesnt look healthy.
  • awaveyawavey Posts: 2,368
    speaking of marathons, Kenyans & records falling...I note the womens marathon world record is now 2:14:04 set by Brigid Kosgei at the Chicago marathon.
  • bobmcstuffbobmcstuff Posts: 7,873
    RichN95 wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    To be fair, given the attempt was sponsored by Ineos, the use of chemical assistance would be good marketing.
    I think Ineos's chemicals would be more a hindrance than a help.
    They did have a pace car in front of the pack pointing a laser at the track, that probably used some Ineos chemicals (he had multiple teams of 7 pacers running a TT in front of him...)

    When you look at the assistance it's pretty interesting he only shaved ~2 mins off his official record. I guess he's just right at the limits of what's possible.
  • phreakphreak Posts: 2,027
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    To be fair, given the attempt was sponsored by Ineos, the use of chemical assistance would be good marketing.
    I think Ineos's chemicals would be more a hindrance than a help.
    They did have a pace car in front of the pack pointing a laser at the track, that probably used some Ineos chemicals (he had multiple teams of 7 pacers running a TT in front of him...)

    When you look at the assistance it's pretty interesting he only shaved ~2 mins off his official record. I guess he's just right at the limits of what's possible.

    Don't a lot of marathons employ pace makers for a similar reason? Granted, they perhaps aren't quite so blatant as in this attempt, but still. What seemed most remarkable was just how fresh he looked at the end. Looked like he could have gone round again.
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