Drugs in other sports and the media.

r0bh

Tennis player given 2 month ban after her excuse that her mum may have accidentally contaminated food (specifically tortellini and broth) with her medication - which was kept on the kitchen worktop - was accepted by the panel.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/267585.aspx

rick_chasey

KingstonGraham wrote:

I just listened to what Johnson said, and he compared the reaction to the political situation in the US. I didn't understand. Do you?

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All he means that excessive partisanship in one way or the other only ends up with crap.

Same with the doping argument. He's suggesting the BBC has a grown up stance on doping, rather than some polarising hysterical take on it which does nothing to help.

I would tend to agree.

kingstongraham

r0bh wrote:

Tennis player given 2 month ban after her excuse that her mum may have accidentally contaminated food (specifically tortellini and broth) with her medication - which was kept on the kitchen worktop - was accepted by the panel.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/267585.aspx

That's a pretty solid excuse, to be fair.

Mad_Malx

KingstonGraham wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Tennis player given 2 month ban after her excuse that her mum may have accidentally contaminated food (specifically tortellini and broth) with her medication - which was kept on the kitchen worktop - was accepted by the panel.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/267585.aspx

That's a pretty solid excuse, to be fair.

Her mum (a pharmacist and so experienced in handling blister packs) just might have dropped a drug that increases testosterone into food that she ate in sufficient amount prior to an OOC test soon enough after to be detected.

Possible, but I wouldn't say solid.

dinyull

Taken from the Contador piece on the Guardian:

What mattered was the principle of strict liability: for anti-doping to work, the athlete has ultimately to be held responsible for what is in his or her system whether or not doping is proven.

r0bh

Mad_Malx wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Tennis player given 2 month ban after her excuse that her mum may have accidentally contaminated food (specifically tortellini and broth) with her medication - which was kept on the kitchen worktop - was accepted by the panel.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/267585.aspx

That's a pretty solid excuse, to be fair.

Her mum (a pharmacist and so experienced in handling blister packs) just might have dropped a drug that increases testosterone into food that she ate in sufficient amount prior to an OOC test soon enough after to be detected.

Possible, but I wouldn't say solid.

What I don't understand (and the same goes for other excuses like JTL's bender) is why they don't produce evidence to support this theory e.g. drop a pill into the broth under controlled conditions and see if this results in an adverse finding. Without this it's just bluster and should be discounted IMHO

RichN95.

r0bh wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Tennis player given 2 month ban after her excuse that her mum may have accidentally contaminated food (specifically tortellini and broth) with her medication - which was kept on the kitchen worktop - was accepted by the panel.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/267585.aspx

That's a pretty solid excuse, to be fair.

Her mum (a pharmacist and so experienced in handling blister packs) just might have dropped a drug that increases testosterone into food that she ate in sufficient amount prior to an OOC test soon enough after to be detected.

Possible, but I wouldn't say solid.

What I don't understand (and the same goes for other excuses like JTL's bender) is why they don't produce evidence to support this theory e.g. drop a pill into the broth under controlled conditions and see if this results in an adverse finding. Without this it's just bluster and should be discounted IMHO

Well her mother presented evidence that she had been using the drug for twelve years to fight cancer, which has also included two operations. So if the excuse is a lie I would applaud them for their phenomenal commitment in setting up this alibi to take a drug even the prosectution seemed to think was mostly useless as a PED

TheBigBean

Mad_Malx wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Tennis player given 2 month ban after her excuse that her mum may have accidentally contaminated food (specifically tortellini and broth) with her medication - which was kept on the kitchen worktop - was accepted by the panel.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/267585.aspx

That's a pretty solid excuse, to be fair.

Her mum (a pharmacist and so experienced in handling blister packs) just might have dropped a drug that increases testosterone into food that she ate in sufficient amount prior to an OOC test soon enough after to be detected.

Possible, but I wouldn't say solid.

The same Errani that used to use Dr. Del Moral. Nothing to see.

Mad_Malx

The defence that they don't do much isn't relevant, it's sufficient some athletes believe that they might. They inhibit testosterone breakdown, so potentially could help a female athlete.
An athlete sees her mum's legitimately prescribed drugs might help ....
So there's motive and opportunity.I'm just quibbling with the idea that the explanation is 'solid'.
I think there is 'reasonable doubt' but not 'balance of probabilities' (I know these terms don't apply).

kingstongraham

RichN95 wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Mad_Malx wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

r0bh wrote:

Tennis player given 2 month ban after her excuse that her mum may have accidentally contaminated food (specifically tortellini and broth) with her medication - which was kept on the kitchen worktop - was accepted by the panel.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/267585.aspx

That's a pretty solid excuse, to be fair.

Her mum (a pharmacist and so experienced in handling blister packs) just might have dropped a drug that increases testosterone into food that she ate in sufficient amount prior to an OOC test soon enough after to be detected.

Possible, but I wouldn't say solid.

What I don't understand (and the same goes for other excuses like JTL's bender) is why they don't produce evidence to support this theory e.g. drop a pill into the broth under controlled conditions and see if this results in an adverse finding. Without this it's just bluster and should be discounted IMHO

Well her mother presented evidence that she had been using the drug for twelve years to fight cancer, which has also included two operations. So if the excuse is a lie I would applaud them for their phenomenal commitment in setting up this alibi to take a drug even the prosectution seemed to think was mostly useless as a PED

Exactly. The only way it is likely to be doping is if she decided she wanted to bulk up, and chose this PED to ensure a pre-arranged excuse off the back of the cancer. And then made sure she had been to her parents house just before being tested.

She still has this as a positive test against her, and still serves a suspension, because she shouldn't have been eating food somewhere where there are pills that close to a food preparation area. Tribunal says "The player was at fault."

markwb79

Isn't Letrozole used to get your system back to normal after you have finished using Steroids?

pinno

"Letrozole is used after surgery and other treatments to reduce the risk of breast cancer coming back. You will usually take it for a few years. Doctors sometimes prescribe it before or after you have another type of hormonal therapy drug.

Sometimes doctors give letrozole before surgery to try to reduce the size of the cancer and avoid having a mastectomy (removal of the breast). Letrozole is also used to control breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body (secondary breast cancer)."

Richmond Racer 2

I've spoken with a number of cycling fans

MUCH doubt over Ayana. Another contributing factor to the doubts is that she trains with Jama Aden

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... estigation

dinyull

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

I've spoken with a number of cycling fans

MUCH doubt over Ayana. Another contributing factor to the doubts is that she trains with Jama Aden

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... estigation

Who Mo also has links to...

Richmond Racer 2

*paging Yorkshire Raw*

Richmond Racer 2

Dinyull wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

I've spoken with a number of cycling fans

MUCH doubt over Ayana. Another contributing factor to the doubts is that she trains with Jama Aden

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... estigation

Who Mo also has links to...

Indeed

And Dibaba

r0bh

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

I've spoken with a number of cycling fans

MUCH doubt over Ayana. Another contributing factor to the doubts is that she trains with Jama Aden

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... estigation

I try to stick to "innocent until proven guilty" as much as I can but even I raised an eyebrow at Ayana's performance on Saturday. To be that far ahead of the rest of the field... well it just looks "too good to be true" doesn't it?

Richmond Racer 2

r0bh wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

I've spoken with a number of cycling fans

MUCH doubt over Ayana. Another contributing factor to the doubts is that she trains with Jama Aden

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... estigation

I try to stick to "innocent until proven guilty" as much as I can but even I raised an eyebrow at Ayana's performance on Saturday. To be that far ahead of the rest of the field... well it just looks "too good to be true" doesn't it?

It was a Landis 2006 performance. Or Vino's TT with his leg hanging off.

rick_chasey

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

I've spoken with a number of cycling fans

MUCH doubt over Ayana.

No sh!t.

blazing_saddles

Smashes Chinese doper, Wang Junxia's world record in Rio.
Disappears off the map back to drug her virtually test free homeland.
Returns to Europe 11 months later to race, yet mysteriously pulls out of a couple of pre London "warm up" races.
Completely annihilates the World's best of the rest in her first race in almost a year.

I don't see anything suspicious in that.

dinyull

It's one of those performances that should get the tops bods in the IAAF and anti-doping to dig for every last detail. Even physiology testing to see what makes her so advanced on all who've gone before her.

This is a year following the last performance that should have triggered that.

If Ethiopa and Kenya can't test, then their athlete's (and others who choose to train there) shouldn't be allowed to compete. Simple as that.

pinno

Dinyull wrote:

If Ethiopa and Kenya can't test, then their athlete's (and others who choose to train there) shouldn't be allowed to compete. Simple as that.

Perhaps the very affluent IOC should fund a global anti-doping scheme where developing countries don't have to contribute. Maybe the scheme could cover random, unannounced testing in certain less accessible countries. If you see what I mean. If countries do not sign up to the Global scheme, then they cannot compete.

But... Ethiopia for example, still buys Exocet missiles and helicopters from the West. Just sayin' like.

Richmond Racer 2

Rick Chasey wrote:

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

I've spoken with a number of cycling fans

MUCH doubt over Ayana.

No sh!t.

I'm shocked that there is gambling in this establishment, Rick

Richmond Racer 2

Pinno wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

If Ethiopa and Kenya can't test, then their athlete's (and others who choose to train there) shouldn't be allowed to compete. Simple as that.

Perhaps the very affluent IOC should fund a global anti-doping scheme where developing countries don't have to contribute. Maybe the scheme could cover random, unannounced testing in certain less accessible countries. If you see what I mean. If countries do not sign up to the Global scheme, then they cannot compete.

But... Ethiopia for example, still buys Exocet missiles and helicopters from the West. Just sayin' like.

In many of the countries, its not that the people in power are cripplingly poor. Its that the citizens see fook all of the money inflows

pinno

Richmond Racer 2 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

If Ethiopa and Kenya can't test, then their athlete's (and others who choose to train there) shouldn't be allowed to compete. Simple as that.

Perhaps the very affluent IOC should fund a global anti-doping scheme where developing countries don't have to contribute. Maybe the scheme could cover random, unannounced testing in certain less accessible countries. If you see what I mean. If countries do not sign up to the Global scheme, then they cannot compete.

But... Ethiopia for example, still buys Exocet missiles and helicopters from the West. Just sayin' like.

In many of the countries, its not that the people in power are cripplingly poor. Its that the citizens see fook all of the money inflows

I quite agree but the current WADA budget as discussed previously, is not going to allow them to do a proper job.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2012/07/25/ioc’s-four-year-haul-5-billion/

...and surely the IOC has a vested interest in presenting 'clean' games.

salsiccia1

Pinno wrote:

...and surely the IOC has a vested interest in presenting 'clean' games.

And the best way to have a clean sport is to not look for the dirt too hard. See also football, rugby, tennis, etc

pinno

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Pinno wrote:

...and surely the IOC has a vested interest in presenting 'clean' games.

And the best way to have a clean sport is to not look for the dirt too hard. See also football, rugby, tennis, etc

That was evident when the Festina scandal kicked off. It was like the IOC were immediately distancing themselves from it instead of taking heed.

Dorset_Boy

The womens 10k was like a pro racing a bunch of amateurs. There simply is no logic to that big a gap between the top athletes in the world being a clean performance, or certainly one worthy of extreme scrutiny.

earthvspace4XTuUWcX

What I don't understand is if you have doped why draw attention to yourself and cause raised eyebrows by winning by such a margin. Why not judge your pace to win by a few metres rather than nearly a lap. :?

orraloon

What about if she is just that much better than all the rest?

Simply the best.