Drugs in other sports and the media.
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xdoc wrote:What I don't understand is if you have doped why draw attention to yourself and cause raised eyebrows by winning by such a margin. Why not judge your pace to win by a few metres rather than nearly a lap. :?
Dopers mentality is predicated on a belief that they'll never get caught
Added to that, in theory, once you land big wins in athletics you can bank so much money in prize money and record-breaking bonuses, plus appearance money form race meeting organisers that even if you do get caught at some point, its worth it. The Diamond League for starters....$$$$$$0 -
The IAAF currently making the UCI look competent, by pulling Isaac Makwala out of the 400 metres for "medical reasons", without actually testing him or explaining the reason to his Botswana team.
This after previously allowing an athlete who had collapse to compete.
Of course, this, on the back of the IAAF allowing Wayde van Niekerk a re-draw for his earlier heat, which is pretty much unheard of, has already kicked off the media speculation about "match fixing"."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
They didn't fix Bolt's 3rd place very well and they failed to put Gatlin in the boot of a Merc and drive him off a pier on the Isle of Dogs. Poor show I say.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0
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Alright, since we're talking athletics.
Now, when it comes to the hurdles, I can see how it's significantly different to running. Stride patterns, technique, etc.
But steeplechase; how different are the demands in steeplechase to say, normal distance running?
Give a world class 5km runner a year to train and surely they'd be pretty much world class in steeplechase no?
Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong?0 -
You aren't wrong exactly, although obviously the steeplechase adds technical challenges which not everyone will be capable of meeting at the same time as running at their best - avoiding clattering your knee on the solid hurdles, not falling over in the water jump.
I suppose it's a bit like comparing the skillset required to win at cyclocross versus say a cobbled classic. Loads of overlap, but by no means given that one great at the latter would be able to handle dismounting and carrying their bike through the mud.
If you can meet those technical challenges (and not everyone can) then your reward is that the field you are competing within is smaller than the plain 5k race. Ultimately though, if you had world beating talent in 5k then it's hard to see why you'd bother, when the potential for injuring yourself seems much greater. Doubling up seems to be pretty well unheard of.0 -
orraloon wrote:What about if she is just that much better than all the rest?
Simply the best.
No other woman had ever come within 22 seconds (I think) of the last world record.....before she bested it by 14 seconds. It was widely accepted as a dirty record, by an athlete who admitted to being part of state sponsored doping.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:The IAAF currently making the UCI look competent, by pulling Isaac Makwala out of the 400 metres for "medical reasons", without actually testing him or explaining the reason to his Botswana team.
This after previously allowing an athlete who had collapse to compete.
The "grilling" the BBC bods gave the IAAF medical officer was utterly cringeworthy.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Alright, since we're talking athletics.
Now, when it comes to the hurdles, I can see how it's significantly different to running. Stride patterns, technique, etc.
But steeplechase; how different are the demands in steeplechase to say, normal distance running?
Give a world class 5km runner a year to train and surely they'd be pretty much world class in steeplechase no?
Can someone explain to me why I'm wrong?
Think you're right. But there isn't as much money there, so the best will do the 5k. (For the same reason, if a world class 400m hurdler was fast enough, they wouldn't be hurdling. 110m hurdling is completely different, those hurdles are enormous.)
But the constant disruption to your stride makes it a different test. Did you see the guy who got it wrong and ran into the barrier last night and had to scramble over it using his arms?0 -
Yeah.
There seems to be a height thing too; if you're a tall 3-5km runner, seems steeplechase offers an you an advantage.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Yeah.
There seems to be a height thing too; if you're a tall 3-5km runner, seems steeplechase offers an you an advantage.
Do you have to jump over them? I mean, could you just duck?
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Dinyull wrote:orraloon wrote:What about if she is just that much better than all the rest?
Simply the best.
No other woman had ever come within 22 seconds (I think) of the last world record.....before she bested it by 14 seconds. It was widely accepted as a dirty record, by an athlete who admitted to being part of state sponsored doping.
Ma's Army0 -
Watched Icarus on Netflix on the way to and from the athletics last night... maybe not the best choice. Weird film - the initial willingness of the director of the Moscow anti doping lab to tell the filmmaker how to dope and avoid positive tests is striking.
It doesn't give a lot of confidence that they can be let back in any time soon. Or that they are the only country doing something similar. Olympic sport still has a big problem.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:Watched Icarus on Netflix on the way to and from the athletics last night... maybe not the best choice. Weird film - the initial willingness of the director of the Moscow anti doping lab to tell the filmmaker how to dope and avoid positive tests is striking.
It doesn't give a lot of confidence that they can be let back in any time soon. Or that they are the only country doing something similar. Olympic sport still has a big problem.
Russia still playing silly buggers
http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.co ... e-samples/
They dont get it. They never will IMO.0 -
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Rick Chasey wrote:Excellent, well i'm off tonight and I'll be playing dumb and cheering anyone who does well.
Sport innit0 -
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KingstonGraham wrote:
Think you're right. But there isn't as much money there, so the best will do the 5k. (For the same reason, if a world class 400m hurdler was fast enough, they wouldn't be hurdling. 110m hurdling is completely different, those hurdles are enormous.)
But the constant disruption to your stride makes it a different test. Did you see the guy who got it wrong and ran into the barrier last night and had to scramble over it using his arms?
What are the food options in the stadium?
No chance to get munch beforehand.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Excellent, well i'm off tonight and I'll be playing dumb and cheering anyone who does well.
Enjoy - last night was excellent. Cheer the representatives of ANA.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:
Think you're right. But there isn't as much money there, so the best will do the 5k. (For the same reason, if a world class 400m hurdler was fast enough, they wouldn't be hurdling. 110m hurdling is completely different, those hurdles are enormous.)
But the constant disruption to your stride makes it a different test. Did you see the guy who got it wrong and ran into the barrier last night and had to scramble over it using his arms?
What are the food options in the stadium?
No chance to get munch beforehand.
I saw expensive pies, expensive fish and chips, expensive sausage rolls, hot dogs, nachos, chips. Was glad I took a sarnie.0 -
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KingstonGraham wrote:I saw expensive pies, expensive fish and chips, expensive sausage rolls, hot dogs, nachos, chips. Was glad I took a sarnie.
expensive beers?
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Rick Chasey wrote:You can take your own food in?
Excellent.
Yep. And soft drinks.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:You can take your own food in?
Excellent.
Yep. And soft drinks.
Get out.
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TheStone wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:I saw expensive pies, expensive fish and chips, expensive sausage rolls, hot dogs, nachos, chips. Was glad I took a sarnie.
expensive beers?
About as expensive as you'd expect. £5.50.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:You can take your own food in?
Excellent.
Yes.
The only advantage of the expense is that there are minimal queues, so if you're minted, you can eat and drink very easily.0 -
Do listen out for slightly inappropriate musical choices. On Sunday, they repeatedly played "Another One Bites the Dust" while the pole vaulters were getting ready to vault.0
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TheStone wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:I saw expensive pies, expensive fish and chips, expensive sausage rolls, hot dogs, nachos, chips. Was glad I took a sarnie.
expensive beers?
£5.50 for a 400ml bottle of Heineken - better off getting a beer from Cow in Westfield (£4.60 a pint)0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:You can take your own food in?
Excellent.
Yes.
The only advantage of the expense is that there are minimal queues, so if you're minted, you can eat and drink very easily.
Nothing says an English August sporting event like rain, 15 degrees and floppy triangle sandwiches.0 -
And didn't think food was that expensive - about £7 for hog roast roll which is roughly what you;d expect to pay at a stadium event these days.
Biggest issue was getting away after races finished as was at back of the stadium - huge queues to get to Stratford station.0 -
On that note, I think you can probably find a sneaky entrance to Westfield and skip some of the queues if you know where you are going.0
