Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

jerry3571

Anyhow, on all this Lance business, did he or did he not say that "pain is temporary and quitting is forever". He should get his suit out for another 10 years in the Courts to try and kick the cr@p out of the USDA. Come on Lance, you lightweight!! I do love all this. Happy days!!

If you think this doping/cheating stuff is going away then it may be a long wait as I was earlier reading about cheating at the Olympics in 360 BC. I guess the USDA will be looking at these cases from Ancient Greece with a cynical eye.

BBC Breakfast sports news this morning had a feature about the LA Doping thing and then it moved on to Johann Blake's 3rd fastest time in history for the 100 metres. Doper of the past meets the Doper of the future; seamlessly. Did make me smile. :twisted:

-Jerry

No_Ta_Doctor

Walsh interview on Radio 5
http://velorooms.com/files/bbc_radio_fi ... 240812.mp3

mfin

ALIHISGREAT wrote:

rockmount wrote:

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rockmount wrote:

So .... Brad won the 2009 TDF ?

How do I get my winnings from paddypower ???

What about Andy?

and @MFIN your avatar picture is repulsive.

You're havin' a laugh ... right ??

don't particularly want a picture of shoot on my screen.

You didn't, it was chocolate mousse.

luckao

jerry3571 wrote:

Anyhow, on all this Lance business, did he or did he not say that "pain is temporary and quitting is forever".

I've considered that. "I'm tired" doesn't sound like Lance, does it?

His statement was quite a good one designed to pander to his fans, I must say.

mfin

http://www.danpatrick.com/2012/08/24/usadas-tygart-comments-on-decision-to-strip-armstrong-of-tour-de-france-titles/

Top of this page is an audio interview 15mins (look for the little audio player) with Travis Tygart on whats happened, worth a listen for most people on here.

(just spotted this is the same as No tA Doctor posted further up the page)

dennisn

Off topic mostly, but about cheating.
I was the wheel pit Official at a regional USCF crit a while back. One of the racers, in a cat3-4, pulled into the pit a bit after the peloton had gone past and said he wanted a free lap because he had crashed(this is allowed). So I asked him the "usual" question "Did your body touch the ground?". He responded with a yes, although in looking at him it was fairly obvious that he didn't have a mark on him. Not exactly what you would expect from someone who just hit the pavement. I followed the rules and let him "get back on" and after the race told the Chief Ref. about him. He told me that this guy does it all the time when he sees an Official whom he doesn't know, and most likely doesn't know him(like myself). In any case he had been blown out the back early on, as he was prone to have happen, but in an attempt to get back in the money
he would claim crashing. In the end he got blown out the back again so nothing for him anyway. The Chief Ref. said he might revoke the guys racing license. Never did know the outcome of it but it sort of goes to show that everyone lies and or cheats.

jerry3571

dennisn wrote:

Off topic mostly, but about cheating.
I was the wheel pit Official at a regional USCF crit a while back. One of the racers, in a cat3-4, pulled into the pit a bit after the peloton had gone past and said he wanted a free lap because he had crashed(this is allowed). So I asked him the "usual" question "Did your body touch the ground?". He responded with a yes, although in looking at him it was fairly obvious that he didn't have a mark on him. Not exactly what you would expect from someone who just hit the pavement. I followed the rules and let him "get back on" and after the race told the Chief Ref. about him. He told me that this guy does it all the time when he sees an Official whom he doesn't know, and most likely doesn't know him(like myself). In any case he had been blown out the back early on, as he was prone to have happen, but in an attempt to get back in the money
he would claim crashing. In the end he got blown out the back again so nothing for him anyway. The Chief Ref. said he might revoke the guys racing license. Never did know the outcome of it but it sort of goes to show that everyone lies and or cheats.

Ah, think we're getting somewhere now. Chapeau!!

likewoah

I hope for you road cycling fans that this becomes the end of this drug nonsense.
I'm fed up of the internet being clogged up with amateur lawyers & chemists having endless conversations about this.
Ride off road, there's more to that than just pain. It's great, you can even look up now and then and see a beautiful view.

rob13

I'm not pro or anti Lance, but despite all the doping allegations, which now look to be accepted by Armstrong himself through conceding the fight, there is no doubt that he has still left a legacy upon the sport and a positive one at that.
To all the cycling fans, Lance Armstrong is a doper, a cheat and a fraud. To all those who simply saw Armstrong as 'That guy who won the tour loads of times after beating Cancer', he's still a hero. His Livestrong foundation will continue to inspire others to think that they can do great things in adversity and you have to praise his efforts for spotlighting Cancer in the popular media.
He got people on their bikes, wearing his armbands and reading his books. Some of this will have been due to his success, others will have been interested in his struggle to come back and ride at such a level of competition.
He cheated himself, and he cheated his fans. He has to live with that for the rest of his life. He leaves his competitors wondering 'what if?' and those who doped against him reflecting on their role in this saga.
Take the competition out of the equation and I do hope his Livestrong charity continues its efforts to highlight, inspire and encourage those who are fighting Cancer.

dennisn

likewoah wrote:

I hope for you road cycling fans that this becomes the end of this drug nonsense.
I'm fed up of the internet being clogged up with amateur lawyers & chemists having endless conversations about this.

C'mon, we're all just having fun and anyway it will take more than "hope" to end this
drug nonsense.

Gazzetta67

http://media.newstalk.ie/listenback/22/friday/1/popup

David Walsh - Paul Kimmage Irish Radio interview today

rdt

Rob13 wrote:

He got people on their bikes, wearing his armbands and reading his books

He got plenty of cash from suckers, I'll grant you that.

And for many, continued delusion is psychologically easier than owning up to being suckered.

dennisn

rdt wrote:

Rob13 wrote:

He got people on their bikes, wearing his armbands and reading his books

He got plenty of cash from suckers, I'll grant you that.

And for many, continued delusion is psychologically easier than owning up to being suckered.

And if this whole thing had went the other way there would be more than a few people
in "continued delusion" as opposed to admitting they were wrong. I guess, in essence,
all I can say is - what's your point ? :?

Le Commentateur

For Armstrong, notoriety can become a replacement for adulation, as it means people are at least not ignoring him, insignificance being what he secretly dreads.

dennisn

Le Commentateur wrote:

For the Armstrong, notoriety can become a replacement for adulation, as it means people are at least not ignoring him, insignificance being what he secretly dreads.

Hmmmmmm, yes I could see that. Just like that little kid next door. He will not let anyone upstage him. And if you beat him a anything, well, you cheated.

keydon

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emadden

keydon wrote:

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I enjoyed that interview - thank you keydon. Myles Duncan is a good interviewer. Good to hear Jeremy Whittle also.

flanners1

Great links to interviews, Walsh is spot on about the endemic corruption.

I like the way Armstrong is able to switch between his doping (cycling) and his cancer crusade, to attempt to pull the focus from the darker issues when placed on the spot, fantastic PR tactics for the lemmings and the un or ill-informed.

powerbookboy

Most of the former Pros seem to have the "what's the point of retrospective loss of titles" view, which is guess isn't a surprise when you think about how far down the GC you'd need to go before finding someone who hasn't got strong evidence or a convinction against them. Personally I think voiding the Tour results since 1996 to 2010 wouldn't be an outrageous move...

But I like Jens' unambiguous statement in CyclingNews. For someone who was there shortly after the EPO era began, and is still putting in good results despite being older than Chronos himself, it gives me a some faith that he and others can ride clean.

And I know that even if they freeze it for 100 years and tested it with new methods 100 years from now, it's my win, because nothing is going to happen

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jens-vo ... -to-an-end

pb21

powerbookboy wrote:

But I like Jens' unambiguous statement in CyclingNews. For someone who was there shortly after the EPO era began, and is still putting in good results despite being older than Chronos himself, it gives me a some faith that he and others can ride clean.

And I know that even if they freeze it for 100 years and tested it with new methods 100 years from now, it's my win, because nothing is going to happen

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jens-vo ... -to-an-end

Maybe Jens just doesn't like the thought of his wins going to someone else?

jerry3571

likewoah wrote:

I hope for you road cycling fans that this becomes the end of this drug nonsense.
I'm fed up of the internet being clogged up with amateur lawyers & chemists having endless conversations about this.
Ride off road, there's more to that than just pain. It's great, you can even look up now and then and see a beautiful view.

Evans, Sagan and many other Mountain Bikers have come in to the Peleton especially the ex World Mountain Bike Champion Michael Rasmussen.



Jerry

jerry3571

Just read the David Walsh bit on the "cycling news" website. Think he's right on the money. Who in the UCI was controlling doping proceedures to ensure USPS and Disco' boys had a problem free 7 years? I think Lance was the rider who was a small part of a bigger plan. Think Mr Verbruggen's ears may be burning with all this kicking off. Haven't heard anything of him lately and all this happened on his watch. I guess with Lance "giving up" then the truth may never come out.

Jerry

andrewjoseph

[quote="powerbookboy"...
But I like Jens' unambiguous statement in CyclingNews. For someone who was there shortly after the EPO era began, and is still putting in good results despite being older than Chronos himself, it gives me a some faith that he and others can ride clean.

And I know that even if they freeze it for 100 years and tested it with new methods 100 years from now, it's my win, because nothing is going to happen

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jens-vo ... -to-an-end[/quote]

Much as i like Jens, he has, and still does, ride for some dodgy DS's. A member of his team has been busted recently.

ReesA

Jens misses the point and for a more grounded and overall reading and commentary on the effects and rammifications of all of this I have found Paul Kimmage's comments much more enlightening.

This certainly isn't the time to put it all behind the sport. The Contador saga shows just that. The sport needs to focus on this fully and reform itself and follow the allegations and evidence right to the top and the complicity of the organising bodies themselves.

In that context Jens is way wide of the mark. This admission by Armstrong is just the beginning.

andyxm

ReesA wrote:

This certainly isn't the time to put it all behind the sport. The Contador saga shows just that. The sport needs to focus on this fully and reform itself and follow the allegations and evidence right to the top and the complicity of the organising bodies themselves.

I can't say I was shocked when the news first came out, not totally unexpected etc....., however had a think about it in a bit more depth whilst trundling around the lanes of Cheshire today and it struck me that cycling currently has zero credibility. The Tour is the blue riband event and no-one is sure who won it between 98 and 2005. USADA say it wasn't Armstrong, but then who did win those events? Ulrich? Basso? Hardly any more palatable. UCI still think Armstrong won, ASO are keeping quiet, to quote Malcolm Tucker, it's an omni-shambles.

So what is the way forward? I don't follow the politics of sport (far too depressing), but is clear that the UCI are in up to their grubby necks, surely the time has come for ASO and the other big race organisers to breakaway with the teams and form their own governing body? The continuing success of the races and cycling as a sport is in their interest, the UCI just seem to be interested in watching their own backs and enriching themselves through back handers, I'm really not sure what UCI does for cycling.

rich_pcp

Can anyone tell me what sanction or compulsion USADA have over Bruyneel and Ferrari? As they're not US citizen's why doesn't JB just ignore them? Is it because it concerns a US funded and registered team that gives them jurisdiction or does the evidence need to be passed on to their home federations?

sherer

rich pcp wrote:

Can anyone tell me what sanction or compulsion USADA have over Bruyneel and Ferrari? As they're not US citizen's why doesn't JB just ignore them? Is it because it concerns a US funded and registered team that gives them jurisdiction or does the evidence need to be passed on to their home federations?

They are part of the conspiracy so they have all been charged even though neither of them has a licence, either through USA Cycling or the UCI.

The team is registered in Luxembourg, as is Astana so no real connection other than the fact the money came from LA and US Postal

amd-sco

If USADA ban someone after examination of the evidence (and if LA/JB think evidence is weak then they have right to test it in tribunal but LA has refused to contest it i.e. accepts it is correct and overwhelming) then other fed's have to respect it or be in breach of WADA code.

dave_1

Well, who are they awarding the wins too? Basso wins 1. Ullrich 3. It's amazing.

Le Commentateur

jerry3571 wrote:

Just read the David Walsh bit on the "cycling news" website. Think he's right on the money. Who in the UCI was controlling doping proceedures to ensure USPS and Disco' boys had a problem free 7 years? I think Lance was the rider who was a small part of a bigger plan. Think Mr Verbruggen's ears may be burning with all this kicking off. Haven't heard anything of him lately and all this happened on his watch.

So, a degree of match fixing by the governing body? An attempt to ensure the continuation of a spectacle that pulled in the crowds, sponsors and TV companies and so bring enrichment to the sport and those involved in it?