Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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rockmount wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:
You're havin' a laugh ... right ??
don't particularly want a picture of shit on my screen.0 -
ALIHISGREAT wrote:rockmount wrote:ALIHISGREAT wrote:
You're havin' a laugh ... right ??
don't particularly want a picture of shoot on my screen.
....about Andy being clean !!!.. who said that, internet forum people ?0 -
Part of me wonders if the reason he hasnt gone to arbitration is that the evidence will never come out and so all those lawsuits will have nothing to base themselves on. I can't imagine JV, Landis, Hincapie etc going to court for the benefit of an insurance company...
Presumably Bruneeyls arbitration would just focus on the stuff around him rather than Larry's stuff?
What were you PMing me about Chase?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The way I understand it Lance essentially pleaded 'No contest' to the charges i.e. He indicated that he did not contest the content of the charges. In law that is an admission of guilt - like pleading guilty at the beginning of a trial so there will be no need for witness testimony and a long drawn out trial. Usually, pleading guilty early gets you a reduced sentence. You would only do this if you knew that you were guilty as hell and no amount of lawyering would get you off.
This Gu Kailai 'trial' (woman accused of the murder of Neil Heywood) went the same way. 'She' pleaded no contest and the court skips straight to the sentencing. No pleas, no evidence, zipp.
N.B. The Gu Kailai case is as bent as a nine bob note. Talk of a body double in court, her husband being corrupt, Neil Heywood originally being said to have drunk too much (he was tea-total apparently). Much more dodgy than even Lance and the UCI.God made the Earth. The Dutch made The Netherlands
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RichN95 wrote:
He would make a good Bruyneel.MrTapir wrote:dennisn wrote:So who will play Lance in the movie version? And will it go big screen or a made for TV
mini series? Also, any bets on the amount of books this will whole thing will generate?
I hope its Christoph Walz, that would be quite something to witness.
Ryan Gosling as Lance? And the guy that played Imhotep in The Mummy as Bjarne Riis.
DDraver I agree with you, I think that is what he is hoping. ALthough, wouldnt some of the stuff thats to do with Bruyneel be intertwined with Lance? If they are organising it all together...0 -
But this isn't a legal case is it ... so pleading "no contest" is basically saying "Stop. I don't want to play your game anymore - here have the ball back" ...Limburger wrote:The way I understand it Lance essentially pleaded 'No contest' to the charges i.e. He indicated that he did not contest the content of the charges. In law that is an admission of guilt - like pleading guilty at the beginning of a trial so there will be no need for witness testimony and a long drawn out trial. Usually, pleading guilty early gets you a reduced sentence. You would only do this if you knew that you were guilty as hell and no amount of lawyering would get you off.
Now - you can play that card if you're guilty or innocent!0 -
MrTapir wrote:
DDraver I agree with you, I think that is what he is hoping. ALthough, wouldnt some of the stuff thats to do with Bruyneel be intertwined with Lance? If they are organising it all together...
Pffft, nothing that a good lawyer could nt deal with I guess....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Further back in this thread (or the other one on same subject) someone posted a lot of Pro-Lance comments from a site like Yahoo - sorry, don't have time to find it now.
I noticed that all the outraged comments were from Americans.
Question: Do ALL Americans think that LA is a God-like Saint? (or a Saint-like God)
(This also brings to mind a comment here, some time ago, on the subject of LA, from someone who'd been to Paris at the end of a LA-"winning" Tour. He/she said that anti-Lance remarks from spectators were regarded with horror by nearby Americans. They seemed to regard him as a form of Royalty......)
I hope someone answers, must catch up with work. Thanks.0 -
Licht - I think most non cyclist Americans think he is a hero, Most Cyclist Americans think he doped,
Most non cyclists in the rest of the world don't care but probably think that all cyclists dope anyway...
While all this is happening, we shouldnt miss that Anders Brevik has been found guilty today! Something like this puts all this stuff into perspective.
Brilliant article (but very hard reading) here - http://byliner.com/sean-flynn/stories/i ... hink-he-isWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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will be interesting to see which way his sponsors go and what statements they make.0
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so, when are they going to go after Mercx et al.......?'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0
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rockmount wrote:
You don't really get it do you...guilty until proven innocent ...mfin wrote:If anyone without even hearing the evidence believe LA's innocent and they have nothing on him and hence it would be chucked out, then why on earth do they think that LA wouldn't want to hear the evidence himself??
What kind of innocent person would choose to just take the ban and the results stripping??
Fact is... loads more is going to happen. Yesterday was just one point in the story, but a lot more is going to come out and happen.
Lance has said he's turned the page, wont fight or comment anymore... lets see if he manages to do so when evidence and testimony starts pouring out which goes plain against his "im innocent". He wont be quiet.
BTW I don't know when the last time someone won truly clean .. Cadel, and Brad INCLUDED.
Fixed it for you.
Ave rewriting history calves0 -
They did.fast as fupp wrote:so, when are they going to go after Mercx et al.......?0 -
No more - no less than people across the pond seem to think that he is some sort of demon or Satans spawn.Lichtblick wrote:Question: Do ALL Americans think that LA is a God-like Saint? (or a Saint-like God)
In other words - NO. No one over here thinks he's any more than a human being.0 -
Ha ha ... Olympics next .... Cav wins on countback !!Vino'sGhost wrote:rockmount wrote:
You don't really get it do you...guilty until proven innocent ...mfin wrote:If anyone without even hearing the evidence believe LA's innocent and they have nothing on him and hence it would be chucked out, then why on earth do they think that LA wouldn't want to hear the evidence himself??
What kind of innocent person would choose to just take the ban and the results stripping??
Fact is... loads more is going to happen. Yesterday was just one point in the story, but a lot more is going to come out and happen.
Lance has said he's turned the page, wont fight or comment anymore... lets see if he manages to do so when evidence and testimony starts pouring out which goes plain against his "im innocent". He wont be quiet.
BTW I don't know when the last time someone won truly clean .. Cadel, and Brad INCLUDED.
Fixed it for you.
Ave rewriting history calves.. who said that, internet forum people ?0 -
dennisn wrote:
No more - no less than people across the pond seem to think that he is some sort of demon or Satans spawn.Lichtblick wrote:Question: Do ALL Americans think that LA is a God-like Saint? (or a Saint-like God)
In other words - NO. No one over here thinks he's any more than a human being.
I should amend that statement to say that ELVIS is another story.0 -
coriordan wrote:Chevin - kinda see what you mean, but there is so much more to it than that. This is part of paving the way
Not really, not until results recognise that whoever takes over from LA as 'winner' is also likely to have doped. Someone just pointed out that Ullrich is now credited with four wins in the TdF.......
My view FWIW is that the results from the 1990s-2000s are so tainted and so mixed up, that it's a complete waste of time trying to rewrite the record books.
I agree with offspring and his friends - what's far worse is that Gatlin is still running, Vinokourov won the Olympic road race, and that Contador got away with only six months.0 -
Friday at the UCI - lets play a game of pass the parcel - the loser gets to issue a statement saying nothing....no change there then... a closed shop run by W***ers...i wish someone would start up a breakaway union.0
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" wish someone would start up a breakaway union." ............Mr EcclesCake - are you up to the challenge ?0
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Thing is did he just chuck the towel in because he doped or not, not really going to affect me. But, as someone who has friends with cancer and others who have fought cancer, his book does provide inspiration to people; regardless of personal opinion of the man, who I can safely say nobody on the forum actually knows!
But it does make me smile that so many people are so up in the air ranting about this!
maybe some of you need to get away from your keyboards and go ride those bikes so many of you list in your signatures 0 -
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rockmount wrote:
Ha ha ... Olympics next .... Cav wins on countback !!Vino'sGhost wrote:rockmount wrote:
You don't really get it do you...guilty until proven innocent ...mfin wrote:If anyone without even hearing the evidence believe LA's innocent and they have nothing on him and hence it would be chucked out, then why on earth do they think that LA wouldn't want to hear the evidence himself??
What kind of innocent person would choose to just take the ban and the results stripping??
Fact is... loads more is going to happen. Yesterday was just one point in the story, but a lot more is going to come out and happen.
Lance has said he's turned the page, wont fight or comment anymore... lets see if he manages to do so when evidence and testimony starts pouring out which goes plain against his "im innocent". He wont be quiet.
BTW I don't know when the last time someone won truly clean .. Cadel, and Brad INCLUDED.
Fixed it for you.
Ave rewriting history calves
SSShhhhhhhh :shock:0 -
I like Bernie Hinault's response:
"I don't f***ing care. It's his problem not mine. It's a problem that should have been solved 10 or 15 years ago and that wasn't."
Sums it up quite well.
I'm glad Lance has finally been taken on and the idolatry of the 'Lance effect' has been nicely butchered forever. Shame for the sport though, but we all know how complicit it is, has been and will continue to be.Colnago C60 SRAM eTap, Colnago C40, Milani 107E, BMC Pro Machine, Trek Madone, Viner Gladius,
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TailWindHome wrote:
Great commentary by inrng as ever0 -
chevinhawk wrote:coriordan wrote:Chevin - kinda see what you mean, but there is so much more to it than that. This is part of paving the way
Not really, not until results recognise that whoever takes over from LA as 'winner' is also likely to have doped. Someone just pointed out that Ullrich is now credited with four wins in the TdF.......
My view FWIW is that the results from the 1990s-2000s are so tainted and so mixed up, that it's a complete waste of time trying to rewrite the record books.
I agree with offspring and his friends - what's far worse is that Gatlin is still running, Vinokourov won the Olympic road race, and that Contador got away with only six months.
Much as I agree with you " also likely to have doped" doesn't quite cut it, and Ullrich has a clean bill of health from CAS up until 2005.0 -
Flanners1 wrote:I'm glad Lance has finally been taken on and the idolatry of the 'Lance effect' has been nicely butchered forever. Shame for the sport though, but we all know how complicit it is, has been and will continue to be.
Can someone please explain to me (before tomorrow's newspapers) why this is a "shame for the sport"? Doesn't it show that eventually lying cheats will be named and shamed? That if you take drugs to enhance performance and stonewall in expensive litigation and continual denial, eventually you'll have your name all over the internet/media and that's a very long legacy in tatters? Hardly a message to send to young riders who want to make a career out of it who are thinking of taking drugs and getting away with it, is it? I think it's good for the sport - for upcoming talented riders who will go clean. (Now call me idealistic.)
I hope someone reads this next paragraph, because since my biking buddy died last year I have no-one with whom to discuss any of this other than my OH who is only politely interested.
I have for years thought that most of them took drugs to achieve those performances in Grand Tours. Since some of them clearly were and (finally) admitted it - then most of the rest of them had to, to keep up with them. The only exceptions were possibly very young, very fit, newly turned professional riders and possibly "old" domestiques nearing the end of their careers, who are/were serving out the remains of their contracts. Why go after Armstrong and not Hinault, Merckx, Indurain for instance? Because none of them claimed for years that they had not done that thing. None of them threw millions of dollars in lawsuits in angry defence for years afterwards. None of them (AFAIK) were bullies to relatively unknown other riders in the peleton to settle old scores while still riding along. (The only reason, if I may say so, that anyone has heard of Simeoni and (I'm sorry, can't remember his name) is because Armstrong took them on when he did not need to to win the race.) That's the hallmark of a bully. No one likes bullies but they keep quiet to stay off their radar. Anyone who really believes that he rode clean (or any of the other winners before him and some afterwards) clearly does not do enough research. IMO.
(I have not put that as well as I could, but I have to go now, Life calls.)0 -
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