Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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FWIW I was at a regional USCF race yesterday and talking with friends and people that I know. The only person who seemed upset or outraged by any of this was a friends wife. She, apparently, is a big LA fan. But she was the only one who offered up much of anything, pro or con, about it all. I thought that was a bit odd as you would think you would get more input, on the subject, from bike racers. In the end it was simply another day at the races. And a good one at that. Saw some old friends and watched some good races.0
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ReesA wrote:Dave_1 wrote:How much is Lance now still worth? How much cash and property does he have? And how much can SCA and The Sunday Times take off him? And how many of his sponsors will now sue him? Will he stay a millionaire or be ruined by accepting this?
Very complex question that I think will take time to become clearer as the other cases proceed and as other evidence and material starts coming out. Now he has accepted the USADA charges the risk of litigation is low/gone so perhaps a load of material will surface a la the French drugs testing stuff of yesterday.
I read this yesterday after someone linked it in the Guardian blog. Interesting read and gives some idea of the $$$ floating about the complexity of a number of issues -- but I warn you your mind will be scarred by having to look at the gay porn image of LA half naked every single page.... god knows why they chose that image!
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/athletes/lance-armstrong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=1
One other thing (which I am sure the longer term members of br forums have seen) is that I found a link to the actual letter sent from the USADA to the accused. (was also linked in the Guardian blog)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303734204577464954262704154.html#articleTabs%3Ddocument
Thanks for that. I am seeing estimates of him paying out $25 million in total..and more if Floyd's whistleblower case goes ahead. Also, how will he hide his wealth..I would guess he must be at that stage in his financial planning. I can't see any sponsors sueing him as they did great so why sue and they are not attached to his image anymore so no damage done. I wonder if he will be a rich man into old age or be bankrupt. It will be so interesting to see what happens. He has more court cases coming his way I think
wonder what will happen to "College"...owner of http://www.sixlounge.com/2.0/ in Austin? zerolounge? or maybe Greg L can take it over?0 -
SHOCK HORROR - Eddy and now Axel Merckx supporting the Saint....Never saw that one coming 8)0
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Dunno if this was known before but some info on an Team hotel raid being stopped in 2005
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12730/Armstrong-case-French-lawyer-says-planned-hotel-search-was-blocked.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+velonation_pro_cycling+%28Cycling+News+%26+Race+Results+%7C+VeloNation.com%29Kev
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The stuff on tip off for tests, covering up tests and then the latest about a French investigation team being denied a raid on their hotel at the last minute is terrible. It reeks of corruption at the very highest levels and I for one sincerely hope that there is an investigation into those despicable people, presumably a lot at the UCI, who probably were receiving big bribes. Worse than people who dope tbh.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:The stuff on tip off for tests, covering up tests and then the latest about a French investigation team being denied a raid on their hotel at the last minute is terrible. It reeks of corruption at the very highest levels and I for one sincerely hope that there is an investigation into those despicable people, presumably a lot at the UCI, who probably were receiving big bribes. Worse than people who dope tbh.
As much as i would love to see McQuaid,Verbruggen,Bruyneel, and all the other hangers-on brought to task, I just dont see anyone with any authority can ask this stinking lot to step-aside which leads to the whole sorry state being able to carry on and hope this dies down.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:It reeks of corruption at the very highest levels and I for one sincerely hope that there is an investigation into those despicable people, presumably a lot at the UCI, who probably were receiving big bribes. Worse than people who dope tbh.
Definitely agree with that - hopefully WADA might be able to exert some pressure.0 -
ratsbeyfus wrote:frenchfighter wrote:It reeks of corruption at the very highest levels and I for one sincerely hope that there is an investigation into those despicable people, presumably a lot at the UCI, who probably were receiving big bribes. Worse than people who dope tbh.
Definitely agree with that - hopefully WADA might be able to exert some pressure.
You guys are really making it difficult in all this. We can't trust the riders - that's a given. We can't trust team management and their doctors - that's a given. We can't trust the UCI and their "partners" - that's a given. Now you want me TO trust these various testing and enforcement agencies that seem to have all kinds of lawyers in their employ????? Man, that's pushing the envelope, to coin a popular phrase.0 -
It'd be nice to see him go Vaughters and put some of his effort into improving cycling re doping. People would listen.
Will never happen. I never got the impression he really liked cycling as a sport. More he liked winning and cycling let him.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:It'd be nice to see him go Vaughters and put some of his effort into improving cycling re doping. People would listen.
Will never happen. I never got the impression he really liked cycling as a sport. More he liked winning and cycling let him.
I think he liked riding his bike and racing, I would think it's impossible to be a pro cyclist without that, such is the training demand. Having said that, I don't think he would be classed as a fan of the sport.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
http://www.tracktalk.net/showpost.php?s ... ostcount=8
I've watched athletics for years, but as I've never been a runner , never really been 'into it' as it were.
I know it has had it's problems, but from that forum thread, it's been just as squalid (and still is ?) as cycling was (or still is dependind on your stance), and as we've seen with the UCI, other giverning bodies are just as complicit in giving certain sportman a helping hand (in avioiding detection ) but making scapegoats of a few to show that thwy've got the situation under control).0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:It'd be nice to see him go Vaughters and put some of his effort into improving cycling re doping. People would listen.
Will never happen. I never got the impression he really liked cycling as a sport. More he liked winning and cycling let him.
it's all a bit too late for me... re insurance bonus, didn't he state under oath that he didn't commit doping? His credibility is completely gone0 -
tarzan13 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It'd be nice to see him go Vaughters and put some of his effort into improving cycling re doping. People would listen.
Will never happen. I never got the impression he really liked cycling as a sport. More he liked winning and cycling let him.
it's all a bit too late for me... re insurance bonus, didn't he state under oath that he didn't commit doping? His credibility is completely gone
I believe everyone who commits a crime loses some or all credibility. Some get it back - some don't. We shall see.0 -
Commercial firms did not give him large sums of money out of the goodness of their corporate hearts, they did so because they could use his image or success to bolster their profits (nothing wrong in this BTW). As his last win was 7 years ago, I would expect them to have "recouped their investment" by now. Therefore what "loss" is it that they will sue for? As for the prize money, it is an accepted practice that this is shared amongst other riders in the team, some of whom will be the unnamed witnesses for the USADA.Dave_1 wrote:How much is Lance now still worth? How much cash and property does he have? And how much can SCA and The Sunday Times take off him? And how many of his sponsors will now sue him? Will he stay a millionaire or be ruined by accepting this?0 -
The guy's had years to squirrel it away into untouchable places, I hear he owns half of Teheran...'I started with nothing and still have most of it left.'0
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The MAD ONE.................0
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dennisn wrote:I believe everyone who commits a crime loses some or all credibility.
So does Lance, and very much the latter, 'all' credibility.
In doping cases, Lance believes they lose all credibility ('zero' ring a bell???), he's been on about it for ages (Hamilton, Landis etc). How the hell he's gonna defend himself to himself and others with that logic when the released evidence and testimony is massive I dont know.
Id guess a) his head will explode or b) a hole will open in the space/time continuum, everything goes black, and there's nothing but a slight high pitched whining and a bit of static.0 -
mfin wrote:dennisn wrote:I believe everyone who commits a crime loses some or all credibility.
So does Lance, and very much the latter, 'all' credibility.
In doping cases, Lance believes they lose all credibility ('zero' ring a bell???), he's been on about it for ages (Hamilton, Landis etc). How the hell he's gonna defend himself to himself and others with that logic when the released evidence and testimony is massive I dont know.
Id guess a) his head will explode or b) a hole will open in the space/time continuum, everything goes black, and there's nothing but a slight high pitched whining and a bit of static.
You don't mean - gulp - that he'll end up in purgatory at a neverending Sheryl Crow concert!? Now I really do feel sorry for him. 0 -
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-26/Lance-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1
Lance could have kept and still could keep 5 wins according to Travis Tygart0 -
mfin wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-26/Lance-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1
Lance could have kept and still could keep 5 wins according to Travis Tygart
Staggering display of naivety in some of the comments below the line.0 -
MrTapir wrote:mfin wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-26/Lance-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1
Lance could have kept and still could keep 5 wins according to Travis Tygart
Staggering display of naivety in some of the comments below the line.
Not to mention a staggeringly brilliant display that supports my hypotheses that crows aren't far behind some humans when it comes to cognitive function. If only I was joking.0 -
MrTapir wrote:mfin wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-26/Lance-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1
Lance could have kept and still could keep 5 wins according to Travis Tygart
Staggering display of naivety in some of the comments below the line.
Oh yeah, I just had a look! Naivety is the best word, anyone who's truly read up on all this would never choose to take such a stance. Loads of passion but based on knowing next to sod all on the history of the issues really, this is why a lot of minds wont be changed until the mainstream media get to report the testimony and evidence that has brought USADA to having no real chance bring a case.0 -
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"Did you take my steak last night? You're denying it? You lie!"0
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Travis Tygart is still holding out the possibility that 5 of Lance's Tour de France wins will be his if he tells the truth...but what would you rather, a lifetime ban from a sport you've retired from , the respect of most of your profesional cycling peers as the 7 time winner, much wealth still that can't be touched by ex sponsors, or confess to USADA and do jail time and be bankrupt?0
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Dave_1 wrote:Travis Tygart is still holding out the possibility that 5 of Lance's Tour de France wins will be his if he tells the truth...but what would you rather, a lifetime ban from a sport you've retired from , the respect of most of your profesional cycling peers as the 7 time winner, much wealth still that can't be touched by ex sponsors, or confess to USADA and do jail time and be bankrupt?
What are you on about?? Who's said anywhere any hint of jail time or made any assumption that he'll be bankrupt if he 'confesses'??
...and, taking the stance he has... does this actually mean he has the respect of most of his professional cycling peers as a 7 time winner.
I assume you're just sticking a big spoon in and having a laugh here though
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mfin wrote:Dave_1 wrote:Travis Tygart is still holding out the possibility that 5 of Lance's Tour de France wins will be his if he tells the truth...but what would you rather, a lifetime ban from a sport you've retired from , the respect of most of your profesional cycling peers as the 7 time winner, much wealth still that can't be touched by ex sponsors, or confess to USADA and do jail time and be bankrupt?
What are you on about?? Who's said anywhere any hint of jail time or made any assumption that he'll be bankrupt if he 'confesses'??
...and, taking the stance he has... does this actually mean he has the respect of most of his professional cycling peers as a 7 time winner.
I assume you're just sticking a big spoon in and having a laugh here though
It's not my fault the reaction of most pros, past and current is pro Armstrong and unsupportive of USADA. . LA has the respect of many of his peers, of which you and I, I might remind you, are not.
And secondly, Feds investigate to see if federal funds used in a fraudulent way..what consequences are there Mfin? Huge fines and possible jail time. He's denied previously in 2004 at SCA case.
Don't ask me "what I am on about and accuse me of stirring. The facts are he's still respected and he risked deep legal and financial problems by admitting what he did0 -
Why has Tygart come out and said that? I can't understand it. Is it because it is something of a hollow victory, with no evidence in the open and no confession, LA maintains some credibility in some circles, evidenced by the increase in donations?mfin wrote:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/story/2012-08-26/Lance-Armstrong-Tour-de-France-doping/57336128/1
Lance could have kept and still could keep 5 wins according to Travis Tygart0 -
Dave_1 wrote:mfin wrote:Dave_1 wrote:Travis Tygart is still holding out the possibility that 5 of Lance's Tour de France wins will be his if he tells the truth...but what would you rather, a lifetime ban from a sport you've retired from , the respect of most of your profesional cycling peers as the 7 time winner, much wealth still that can't be touched by ex sponsors, or confess to USADA and do jail time and be bankrupt?
What are you on about?? Who's said anywhere any hint of jail time or made any assumption that he'll be bankrupt if he 'confesses'??
...and, taking the stance he has... does this actually mean he has the respect of most of his professional cycling peers as a 7 time winner.
I assume you're just sticking a big spoon in and having a laugh here though
It's not my fault the reaction of most pros, past and current is pro Armstrong and unsupportive of USADA. . LA has the respect of many of his peers, of which you and I, I might remind you, are not.
And secondly, Feds investigate to see if federal funds used in a fraudulent way..what consequences are there Mfin? Huge fines and possible jail time. He's denied previously in 2004 at SCA case.
Don't ask me "what I am on about and accuse me of stirring. The facts are he's still respected and he risked deep legal and financial problems by admitting what he did
But doping is not illegal... misuse of us postal's money would be as we know... but thats not the case in hand.
I thought you might be having a laugh.
Unless you're saying if he confesses to USADA that he'll then get prosecuted for misuse of funds? Are you making that guess?
As for pro's reactions, there's been barely any yet, lets see what the responses are when more of the evidence comes out, and even then Id guess the great bulk of their opinions will be kept to themselves, which wont mean they don't have one.
10 pro's on his own teams dont support him thats for sure (so we're told, if theyve testified against him, which im prepared to take as fact), how many pro's responses have you found to it all so far which are supportive? is it that many that you can conclude that most pro's are pro Armstrong and anti-usada if that is what you are saying?0
