Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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TailWindHome wrote:If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
An interesting point. Many people "do wrong", get caught, get punished and serve their time, yet they are usually allowed to return to the mainstream of life(for the most part). People do change, and besides, what's a person to do if he has a talent or inclination to try and resume whatever career he had before things went sour. Oddly enough people DO learn from their mistakes. Not all, of course, but most do.0 -
dennisn wrote:TailWindHome wrote:If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
An interesting point. Many people "do wrong", get caught, get punished and serve their time, yet they are usually allowed to return to the mainstream of life(for the most part). People do change, and besides, what's a person to do if he has a talent or inclination to try and resume whatever career he had before things went sour. Oddly enough people DO learn from their mistakes. Not all, of course, but most do.
I found the interview on velonews wth the authors of Wheelman interesting. Albergotti seemed to doubt any words from LA's mouth..even on alleged UCI corruption but to me...LAs version of the Hein convo checks out. And they say DoJ almost did a deal with LA but fell out over 5 million USD.. and that large parts of their lawsuit could be removed due to passage of time + no way will they get 130 million USD according to Albergotti. Ended with some upbeat comment too..that LA can and will be forgiven by quite a lot of people! hmmm0 -
deejay wrote:I am now very sceptical of outstanding performances like the Vuelta and TDF this year :?:
Three Cheers for the USADA.
And yet you've missed off the most "oustanding". The Giro victory.Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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Dave_1 wrote:dennisn wrote:TailWindHome wrote:If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
An interesting point. Many people "do wrong", get caught, get punished and serve their time, yet they are usually allowed to return to the mainstream of life(for the most part). People do change, and besides, what's a person to do if he has a talent or inclination to try and resume whatever career he had before things went sour. Oddly enough people DO learn from their mistakes. Not all, of course, but most do.
I found the interview on velonews wth the authors of Wheelman interesting. Albergotti seemed to doubt any words from LA's mouth..even on alleged UCI corruption but to me...LAs version of the Hein convo checks out. And they say DoJ almost did a deal with LA but fell out over 5 million USD.. and that large parts of their lawsuit could be removed due to passage of time + no way will they get 130 million USD according to Albergotti. Ended with some upbeat comment too..that LA can and will be forgiven by quite a lot of people! hmmm
I watched it earlier. Albergotti does say that LA's lied so much its difficult to believe anything he says now (true), but adds that he'd have to back up any allegations with documents, records of any financial transations - which no one would argue with, I'd have thought?
Re the comment about forgiveness, I think Albergotti and O'Connell were saying that Americans will forgive anyone anything as long as they 'show' enough remorse....which was amusing and depressing all at the same time...0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:Dave_1 wrote:dennisn wrote:TailWindHome wrote:If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
An interesting point. Many people "do wrong", get caught, get punished and serve their time, yet they are usually allowed to return to the mainstream of life(for the most part). People do change, and besides, what's a person to do if he has a talent or inclination to try and resume whatever career he had before things went sour. Oddly enough people DO learn from their mistakes. Not all, of course, but most do.
I found the interview on velonews wth the authors of Wheelman interesting. Albergotti seemed to doubt any words from LA's mouth..even on alleged UCI corruption but to me...LAs version of the Hein convo checks out. And they say DoJ almost did a deal with LA but fell out over 5 million USD.. and that large parts of their lawsuit could be removed due to passage of time + no way will they get 130 million USD according to Albergotti. Ended with some upbeat comment too..that LA can and will be forgiven by quite a lot of people! hmmm
I watched it earlier. Albergotti does say that LA's lied so much its difficult to believe anything he says now (true), but adds that he'd have to back up any allegations with documents, records of any financial transations - which no one would argue with, I'd have thought?
Re the comment about forgiveness, I think Albergotti and O'Connell were saying that Americans will forgive anyone anything as long as they 'show' enough remorse....which was amusing and depressing all at the same time...
It's not just Americans, although for a lot of non-Americans to forgive him I'd think he would need to 'tell all' AND then f**k off. (the remorse bit is a bit irrelevant really??)0 -
mfin wrote:Richmond Racer wrote:Dave_1 wrote:dennisn wrote:TailWindHome wrote:If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
An interesting point. Many people "do wrong", get caught, get punished and serve their time, yet they are usually allowed to return to the mainstream of life(for the most part). People do change, and besides, what's a person to do if he has a talent or inclination to try and resume whatever career he had before things went sour. Oddly enough people DO learn from their mistakes. Not all, of course, but most do.
I found the interview on velonews wth the authors of Wheelman interesting. Albergotti seemed to doubt any words from LA's mouth..even on alleged UCI corruption but to me...LAs version of the Hein convo checks out. And they say DoJ almost did a deal with LA but fell out over 5 million USD.. and that large parts of their lawsuit could be removed due to passage of time + no way will they get 130 million USD according to Albergotti. Ended with some upbeat comment too..that LA can and will be forgiven by quite a lot of people! hmmm
I watched it earlier. Albergotti does say that LA's lied so much its difficult to believe anything he says now (true), but adds that he'd have to back up any allegations with documents, records of any financial transations - which no one would argue with, I'd have thought?
Re the comment about forgiveness, I think Albergotti and O'Connell were saying that Americans will forgive anyone anything as long as they 'show' enough remorse....which was amusing and depressing all at the same time...
It's not just Americans, although for a lot of non-Americans to forgive him I'd think he would need to 'tell all' AND then f**k off. (the remorse bit is a bit irrelevant really??)
Another problem would be that Armstrong always has an agenda, and has spent his sporting life manipulating people, so how believable would any so called "remorse" be. If he thought that bursting into tears and pleading for forgiveness would protect his fortune and maintain he celebrity status I for one have no doubt he would do it. He would still believe he had done nothing wrong in his life and was a victim.0 -
mfin wrote:It's not just Americans, although for a lot of non-Americans to forgive him I'd think he would need to 'tell all' AND then f**k off. (the remorse bit is a bit irrelevant really??)
To be fair, I think the context of the questions and the responses from the journos was about how he could reclaim a profile again - in the US. He's toast elsewhere whatever he does IMO0 -
Some of you may laugh. I can't stop you.
But Armstrong is smart and does look at the big picture. What he is doing right now IMO is positioning himself. Confessing, getting the dirt out
People forgive and many politicians have done worse things in power.
He will go in to politics.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:mfin wrote:It's not just Americans, although for a lot of non-Americans to forgive him I'd think he would need to 'tell all' AND then f**k off. (the remorse bit is a bit irrelevant really??)
To be fair, I think the context of the questions and the responses from the journos was about how he could reclaim a profile again - in the US. He's toast elsewhere whatever he does IMO
Yes, the key being in the US., plus he is American after all, and he's probably doing what gives him the best chance of repairing his profile as it relates to furthering his income through trying to rebuild acceptability on home ground. Doing what is necessary to be effective at this 'over there' is not what actions may be more effective 'over here'. A culture thing I suppose.0 -
rayjay wrote:Some of you may laugh. I can't stop you.
But Armstrong is smart and does look at the big picture. What he is doing right now IMO is positioning himself. Confessing, getting the dirt out
People forgive and many politicians have done worse things in power.
He will go in to politics.
He is smart in some ways, but his actions are so often those of someone who misjudges what people think and how they will react. He talks a good talk, but so much of it is counter productive.
Ironically it's just like politicians who dodge questions to steal the air-time to put the spin they want on things instead ...this sums how he comes across lately for me.0 -
Is The Hog's new book really going to be called 'Porker Face' ?0
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Is LA threatening to out Michael Creed on twitter? Creed did a " why I never doped" interview with cyc news0
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I thought a conjecture at the time he came out of Pro race retirement was the main reason for him doing so, was to increase his public awareness for a political career.mfin wrote:Ironically it's just like politicians who dodge questions to steal the air-time to put the spin they want on things instead ...this sums how he comes across lately for me.
That move rebounded on him, with more investigations about his PED's.
This latest round could be him trying to burn the bridges to get back on track for politics.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Dave_1 wrote:Is LA threatening to out Michael Creed on twitter? Creed did a " why I never doped" interview with cyc news
That's what it looks like...0 -
Nah, He's Sulking and gone to play golf as his competitive sport.Richmond Racer wrote:
That's what it looks like...Dave_1 wrote:Is LA threatening to out Michael Creed on twitter? Creed did a " why I never doped" interview with cyc news
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-a ... in-cyclingOrganiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:
Nah, He's Sulking and gone to play golf as his competitive sport.Richmond Racer wrote:
That's what it looks like...Dave_1 wrote:Is LA threatening to out Michael Creed on twitter? Creed did a " why I never doped" interview with cyc news
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-a ... in-cycling
He's the ultimate piece of work0 -
I'm actually quite impressed with that.
Not least the fact that he expects to live for at least another 500 years.“They could have given me a ban that was five, six or even ten times bigger, but not a thousand times.
That's based on the bans of 6 months given to riders that cooperated.
If we count two years as the standard ban length then Armstrong isn't thinking of giving up competitive sport until 4012.
I advise him not to take up darts though, as that involves a bit of quick mental arithmetic.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
deejay wrote:
Nah, He's Sulking and gone to play golf as his competitive sport.Richmond Racer wrote:
That's what it looks like...Dave_1 wrote:Is LA threatening to out Michael Creed on twitter? Creed did a " why I never doped" interview with cyc news
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lance-a ... in-cycling
yeah, he doesn't even rider a bike now. Doesn't sound like getting life ban removed is a concern now. There's recent stuff with him saying he still likes riding huis bike and now hates it...hmm..what must going on in his head. The story will go on and on...we haven't heard the last of this by far...this will rumble on for 3-5 years , but all these movies and docus...they are all great forthe sport too of course0 -
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Thanks to Christophe Bassons for agreeing to meet with me last night here in Paris in what was a very engaging conversation.0 -
"HE MUST APOLOGISE TO BASSONS!"
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"HOW DARE HE APOLOGISE TO BASSONS!"“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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TailWindHome wrote:"HE MUST APOLOGISE TO BASSONS!"
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"HOW DARE HE APOLOGISE TO BASSONS!"
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Richmond Racer wrote:TailWindHome wrote:"HE MUST APOLOGISE TO BASSONS!"
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"HOW DARE HE APOLOGISE TO BASSONS!"
Innit
In a nutshell
Or in a Nutella.
Why wasn't this thread closed 250 pages ago? :P"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
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I hate Tygart. More bits of info you get then the more you realise that doping and cycling were/are one.
The witch hunt of Armstrong is a joke.
Its about time people realised that was the sport he was going into. You dope or go home. Simple.
the only thing LA done different was to win 7 tours
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