Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    I wholly agree. It's great to see the crazy guy with the stuffed wild boar again but he looks like he's on something. Brilliant sprinting prowess, and with no shoes!
  • MartinGT
    MartinGT Posts: 475
    This made me chuckle http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/the ... k-crawford
    He (LL) peaked at the Vuelta in 2001, finishing a surprising third overall

    Now who did something similar in 2011 :?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,699
    the same guy that won the Tour in 2013...unlike LL...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    MartinGT wrote:
    This made me chuckle http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/the ... k-crawford
    He (LL) peaked at the Vuelta in 2001, finishing a surprising third overall

    Now who did something similar in 2011 :?
    Cobo, Froome, Monfort, Mollema, Moreno, Martin. Which one were you thinking of in particular? Every year lots of riders have their best performance at the Vuelta.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    Crankbrother wrote:

    Riis had shown some level of consistency (and tenacity) in previous TdF's leading up to his win
    He had, but where. ??
    A very Low Consistency is a word I would use for Armstrong or Riis in their early years in the peloton.
    Riis helped Fignon achieve the victory and in December 1988 he moved to sports director Cyrille Guimard's Système U team as a support rider for Fignon. For the next three years Riis rode as Fignon's eternal helper in both flat and mountainous terrain, and they became close friends.
    When Fignon left in 1992, Bjarne Riis contacted fellow Danish rider Rolf Sørensen, who got him a job as a rider for Italian team Ceramiche Ariostea.
    The leader of this team was Moreno Argentin who had close connections with Professor Conconi and his EPO concoctions.
    The EPO worked wonders for Bjarne Riis and his consistency (and the team) and in 1994 Moreno Argentin started the Infamous Gewiss-Ballan team so now there is improved consistency as you say with Bjarne Riis.
    This enabled him in 1996 to get a contract with a little unknown Deutsche Telekom cycling team and "Hey Presto" we had a Supersonic Team of Cheating, Lying, Fraudulent German scumbags. :arrow: :shock:
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    RonB wrote:
    I wholly agree. It's great to see the crazy guy with the stuffed wild boar again but he looks like he's on something. Brilliant sprinting prowess, and with no shoes!
    Boar man rejects any claim he was on PEDs...
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Paul 8v wrote:
    RonB wrote:
    I wholly agree. It's great to see the crazy guy with the stuffed wild boar again but he looks like he's on something. Brilliant sprinting prowess, and with no shoes!
    Boar man rejects any claim he was on PEDs...


    He might not be, but his companion....Porcine Endurance Drugs....
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    Paul 8v wrote:
    RonB wrote:
    I wholly agree. It's great to see the crazy guy with the stuffed wild boar again but he looks like he's on something. Brilliant sprinting prowess, and with no shoes!
    Boar man rejects any claim he was on PEDs...


    He might not be, but his companion....Porcine Endurance Drugs....

    PEDs? I don't know about PEDs, looks to me like the poor pig was hobbled.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    deejay wrote:
    The leader of this team was Moreno Argentin who had close connections with Professor Conconi and his EPO concoctions.
    The EPO worked wonders for Bjarne Riis and his consistency (and the team) and in 1994 Moreno Argentin started the Infamous Gewiss-Ballan team so now there is improved consistency as you say with Bjarne Riis.

    Yet somehow, despite having similar close connections to Conconi, you still maintain that Indurain didn't dabble in EPO.

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    andyp wrote:
    Yet somehow, despite having similar close connections to Conconi, you still maintain that Indurain didn't dabble in EPO.

    You've got it all wrong. All Conconi did was tell Big Mig he needed to lose a few kilo's and he could win the TdF.

    You must remember Mig had a freakishly large heart and low resting pulse rate.

    :P
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,438
    If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    TailWindHome wrote:
    If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
    There's a difference though. Competing - that's just the individual - they have no responsibility to anyone but themselves. Not so with doctors - they have a duty of care to others.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • rayjay
    rayjay Posts: 1,384
    deejay wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:

    Riis had shown some level of consistency (and tenacity) in previous TdF's leading up to his win
    He had, but where. ??
    A very Low Consistency is a word I would use for Armstrong or Riis in their early years in the peloton.
    Riis helped Fignon achieve the victory and in December 1988 he moved to sports director Cyrille Guimard's Système U team as a support rider for Fignon. For the next three years Riis rode as Fignon's eternal helper in both flat and mountainous terrain, and they became close friends.
    When Fignon left in 1992, Bjarne Riis contacted fellow Danish rider Rolf Sørensen, who got him a job as a rider for Italian team Ceramiche Ariostea.
    The leader of this team was Moreno Argentin who had close connections with Professor Conconi and his EPO concoctions.
    The EPO worked wonders for Bjarne Riis and his consistency (and the team) and in 1994 Moreno Argentin started the Infamous Gewiss-Ballan team so now there is improved consistency as you say with Bjarne Riis.
    This enabled him in 1996 to get a contract with a little unknown Deutsche Telekom cycling team and "Hey Presto" we had a Supersonic Team of Cheating, Lying, Fraudulent German scumbags. :arrow: :shock:


    Blimey Your very angry and you sound a bit xenophobic as well. Have a cup of tea and a biscuit and watch some cats do stupid things on you tube.
  • rayjay
    rayjay Posts: 1,384
    edited November 2013
    iainf72 wrote:
    andyp wrote:
    Yet somehow, despite having similar close connections to Conconi, you still maintain that Indurain didn't dabble in EPO.

    You've got it all wrong. All Conconi did was tell Big Mig he needed to lose a few kilo's and he could win the TdF.

    You must remember Mig had a freakishly large heart and low resting pulse rate.

    :P

    Yeah right and Dr F was just giving LA advice. What a load of bias Bullsh%t . I mean how do you know this. Did Mig tell you himself :lol::lol::lol:
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    andyp wrote:
    Yet somehow, despite having similar close connections to Conconi, you still maintain that Indurain didn't dabble in EPO.
    I didn't know he was chummy with Moreno Argentin, Francesco Moser and Professor Francesco Conconi.
    I do know a Bus Spotter saw a Banesto bus at the University of Ferrara but I find no record of the date or if it was an iBanesto team bus.
    That Indurain was in Italy in 1992/93/94 and the Giro d'Italia passes very close to University of Ferrara and Marco Pantani's home, :roll:
    However I watched Indurain win Paris-Nice and then throughout his career including eye witness training at Liege-Bastogne and his climbing style never altered into a standing, twiddling style much favoured by many EPO riders.
    Remember the time at L-B-L he was chasing the leading group with Udo Bolts on wet roads and Bolts crashed on the corner in Remouchamps before the climb of La Redoute.
    I liked his climbing style (oh christ he can't climb) as he ground his way up the mountain like a diesel engine that just sat there pounding the wheel suckers. (not even a shoulder roll of Jens Voigt)

    With your superior knowledge of Druggies I have to agree with you that all thing's are possible, :| but I doubt it by his record of first the 94 Giro and the EPO boys thrashing him and then in 96 the Deutsche Telecom rubbish doing the same. Obviously with so much shyte in the peloton around him it was time to retire because without EPO and the Conconi methods he couldn't beat them.
    If he had been on EPO then he would have set times for mountain climbing that would still be untouchable to this day.
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  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    rayjay wrote:

    Yeah right and Dr F was just giving LA advice. What a load of bias Bullsh%t . I mean how do you know this. Did Mig tell you himself :lol::lol::lol:
    As if this ray of knowledge would know anything except dreaming. Fail again.
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    deejay wrote:
    I didn't know he was chummy with Moreno Argentin, Francesco Moser and Professor Francesco Conconi.
    What is it with you and Argentin? I don't doubt he took EPO late in his career as one of the Fleche Three, but he was a class rider with great results throughout the 80s. Surely Riis, Ugrumov and Berzin are more fruitful Gewiss targets.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    deejay wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:

    Riis had shown some level of consistency (and tenacity) in previous TdF's leading up to his win
    He had, but where [/quote]

    5th, 14th, 3rd leading up to his win would put Riis' consistency up there with a Sastre or Evans, and far more plausible than the GT winners who can't follow up the 'big win' (Cobo, Cunego, Basso (x2), Casaro, Wiggins) ...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Pop quiz hot shots:

    In the last ten years (so 2004 onwards) who are the three riders who have won a Grand Tour having never previously been in the top ten of any GT?

    I will only acknowledge an answer with all three correct.

    Clue: Their previous bests were 11th, 31st and 34th (according to Wiki).
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,927
    I would have guessed Cobo, Horner and Contador, but it turns out that that is short term bias and would only get me 1/3. Needed that little assassin and the silent prince
  • rayjay
    rayjay Posts: 1,384
    deejay wrote:
    rayjay wrote:

    Yeah right and Dr F was just giving LA advice. What a load of bias Bullsh%t . I mean how do you know this. Did Mig tell you himself :lol::lol::lol:
    As if this ray of knowledge would know anything except dreaming. Fail again.

    deejay, I think you are dreaming if you think Mig was clean. You can't handle the truth :)

    "Fail again" :lol::lol::lol: are you still at nursery school :lol::lol::lol:
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,438
    RichN95 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    If Armstrong should be allowed to compete again, should the Luis Garcia del Moral, Michele Ferrari and Pepe Marti be allowed to train/coach/treat competitors again?
    There's a difference though. Competing - that's just the individual - they have no responsibility to anyone but themselves. Not so with doctors - they have a duty of care to others.

    The USADA reasoned decision doesn't agree. That's why they were all charged with the same offence.

    (Maybe this is all sloblock. It all seems very last year.)
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rayjay
    rayjay Posts: 1,384
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruynee ... th-cycling

    Bruyneel doesn't have much choice really. But he makes some good points.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    rayjay wrote:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruyneel-im-pretty-much-done-with-cycling

    Bruyneel doesn't have much choice really. But he makes some good points.

    Does he?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    rayjay wrote:
    You still haven't answered how you know that Armstrong was taking the best PEDs, especially since you said you don't know what PEDs Once took. Can you answer that?
    That's what I said, so do you know what drugs the ONCE team allegedly took. :?:

    And now I can answer your question I think. :!:
    That the world knows Armstrong was on PED's. (including EPO)
    With (as you say) the whole peloton using PED's then he had to stay in front of them in drug technology and blood manipulation for 7 years.
    So he must have worked with his Foundation of doctors and chemists for the good of them all in getting more donations to the Foundation.
    As you have been unable to answer my questions which I put to find your little knowledge of cycle racing in the twentieth century and your fan boy crying about some scumbag in the 21st century.
    Then the conclusion is you don't know much and your acceptance that you are in fact a "Boy" and these quotes here might educate you, sonny.
    In 1978, Michele Ferrari obtained his degree in Medicine and Surgery at the University of Ferrara.
    Initially Ferrari worked with Prof. Francesco Conconi at the University of Ferrara,
    In 1994, Michele Ferrari was the team doctor for Gewiss. The team had an excellent season, winning many races. In the Flèche Wallonne, the team realized a historic triple victory. Concerned by the domination of the Italian team, some observers pointed a finger of suspicion at the team doctor.
    In 1995, Ferrari started his own private medical practice.
    Perhaps the most famous athlete to have been coached or advised by Ferrari is Lance Armstrong. Ferrari claims they were introduced to each other in 1995. Ferrari was involved with the US Postal Service Cycling Team until October 2004, helping Armstrong train during several of his seven consecutive Tour de France victories

    On 10 July 2012 the United States Anti-Doping Agency issued Ferrari a lifetime sports ban for numerous anti-doping violations including possession, trafficking, administration and assisting doping.
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    RichN95 wrote:
    deejay wrote:
    I didn't know he was chummy with Moreno Argentin, Francesco Moser and Professor Francesco Conconi.
    What is it with you and Argentin? I don't doubt he took EPO late in his career as one of the Fleche Three, but he was a class rider with great results throughout the 80s. Surely Riis, Ugrumov and Berzin are more fruitful Gewiss targets.
    He was a class rider, I agree with you but I have no doubts that he was loaded with PED's late in his career.
    In the early 90's I was a Fan of his and just as gullible as rayjay is now.
    My turning point came with the 1994 Gewiss-Fleche 1-2-3 and then Berzin won Liege.
    When I got home and digested what I had seen and the season so far I realised some miracle was involved in the Gewiss-Ballan team which was too good to be true.
    Then the tally of team Gewiss mounted as they then thrashed Indurain in the Giro d'Italia and then Piotr Ugrumov (Gewiss) gave Indurain more problems to finish 2nd in the TDF General Classification.

    Later with the Internet I could solve the mysteries and found that the Gewiss-Ballan team had been formed by Argentin who had been working since 1990 with Conconi while at the Ceramiche Ariostea team.

    On that team was Pascal Richard who has been below the Radar but equally involved and in 1994 he moved with manager Giancarlo Ferretti to the new team MG Maglificio - Technogym along with Rolf Sorensen, Rolf Jarmann and
    Davide Rebellin,
    I am now very sceptical of outstanding performances like the Vuelta and TDF this year :?:

    Three Cheers for the USADA. :lol:
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    what are the chances of this USADA arbitration in London in December? Is Bruyneel pulling out? The int with JB yesterday suggests so..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • zammmmo
    zammmmo Posts: 315
    rayjay wrote:
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruyneel-im-pretty-much-done-with-cycling

    Bruyneel doesn't have much choice really. But he makes some good points.

    I think he means "cycling is pretty much done with me".
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,927
    Dave_1 wrote:
    what are the chances of this USADA arbitration in London in December? Is Bruyneel pulling out? The int with JB yesterday suggests so..

    It depends whether he has a plan more cunning than "wasn't me gov, and if it was that big bad Lance made me do it". If he's willing to throw a few people under a bus, then he might escape with a much lower sanction, but he won't be popular.
  • rayjay
    rayjay Posts: 1,384
    deejay wrote:
    rayjay wrote:
    You still haven't answered how you know that Armstrong was taking the best PEDs, especially since you said you don't know what PEDs Once took. Can you answer that?
    That's what I said, so do you know what drugs the ONCE team allegedly took. :?:

    And now I can answer your question I think. :!:
    That the world knows Armstrong was on PED's. (including EPO)
    With (as you say) the whole peloton using PED's then he had to stay in front of them in drug technology and blood manipulation for 7 years.
    So he must have worked with his Foundation of doctors and chemists for the good of them all in getting more donations to the Foundation.
    As you have been unable to answer my questions which I put to find your little knowledge of cycle racing in the twentieth century and your fan boy crying about some scumbag in the 21st century.
    Then the conclusion is you don't know much and your acceptance that you are in fact a "Boy" and these quotes here might educate you, sonny.
    In 1978, Michele Ferrari obtained his degree in Medicine and Surgery at the University of Ferrara.
    Initially Ferrari worked with Prof. Francesco Conconi at the University of Ferrara,
    In 1994, Michele Ferrari was the team doctor for Gewiss. The team had an excellent season, winning many races. In the Flèche Wallonne, the team realized a historic triple victory. Concerned by the domination of the Italian team, some observers pointed a finger of suspicion at the team doctor.
    In 1995, Ferrari started his own private medical practice.
    Perhaps the most famous athlete to have been coached or advised by Ferrari is Lance Armstrong. Ferrari claims they were introduced to each other in 1995. Ferrari was involved with the US Postal Service Cycling Team until October 2004, helping Armstrong train during several of his seven consecutive Tour de France victories

    On 10 July 2012 the United States Anti-Doping Agency issued Ferrari a lifetime sports ban for numerous anti-doping violations including possession, trafficking, administration and assisting doping.

    Thanks for that :lol: I have already mentioned Conconi and Ferrari in previous post's and I am well aware of their history.
    Again , You Cloud the issues with out direct answers. You only presume Armstrong had better PED'S. You don't know. So stop saying you do. You were not there :lol: Also you do not know the effects PEDs have on a individual rider. You can't possibly know who gained the most from PED's. Do you at least understand that? Your uneducated guess is that because Armstrong won he had the best drugs and that made him the best rider...whaaaat :lol:
    As for Once. You stated that you did not know what drugs they used. So how do you know that they did not have better drugs than Armstrong. Fail :lol:
    Again if you look at my other post's I posted the charges against Armstrong. I think I was the first one to post them on this sight so I don't understand you point.
    So to sum up . I have answered all your questions. I have posted previous articles about Conconi and Ferrari.
    I also posted all of Armstrong's charges . You haven't answered any questions with fact only guesswork derived from you hatred of Armstrong.
    Alrighty then....

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