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  • fukawitribe
    fukawitribe Posts: 109
    foggybike wrote:
    Any ideas why my Wahoo KICKR keeps switching to STANDARD mode from ERG when I try and do the 8 minute test??

    All ok until the first 8mins start then bang switch to standard and screws it all up...

    P1ssing me off 3rd time in have attempted it now.

    please help

    Not sure - but this may help

    http://support.trainerroad.com/entries/20872136-What-s-the-difference-between-ERG-mode-and-Slope-mode-

    The relevant line looks to be this (if it makes sense to you, the various modes don't mean much to me as i've not used a Kickr)
    Tests
    During our tests, we automatically put you in Slope Mode when you hit a test interval. We think this is good because you dictate the power output to us. If you don't want this, you can push F2 again and switch back to ERG mode.
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    cerv50 wrote:
    Good thread there Mark, will go back to that and vote after completing base 1 and another 8 min test to see if I have got any better :)
    Don't wait until the end of the 8 weeks, do another test at the end of week 4.
    You'll have improved by then, and if you don't re-baseline your FTP, the second half of the plan will be too easy :wink:

    Cheers,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
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  • cerv50
    cerv50 Posts: 272
    Managed to get home a bit earlier than usually do so thought give Gayley a shot. This is the first ride after the 8 minute test on the intermediate base 1 plan. Surprised myself at how I did, even the wife was impressed that I kept it going through all four 8 minute intervals at my FTP :)

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/379100
  • foggybike
    foggybike Posts: 160
    fukawitribe wrote:
    foggybike wrote:
    Any ideas why my Wahoo KICKR keeps switching to STANDARD mode from ERG when I try and do the 8 minute test??

    All ok until the first 8mins start then bang switch to standard and screws it all up...

    P1ssing me off 3rd time in have attempted it now.

    please help

    Not sure - but this may help

    http://support.trainerroad.com/entries/20872136-What-s-the-difference-between-ERG-mode-and-Slope-mode-

    The relevant line looks to be this (if it makes sense to you, the various modes don't mean much to me as i've not used a Kickr)
    Tests
    During our tests, we automatically put you in Slope Mode when you hit a test interval. We think this is good because you dictate the power output to us. If you don't want this, you can push F2 again and switch back to ERG mode.


    Thanks for that!!! I have been in touch with Wahoo and Trainer Road support as well and it all makes sense now. I have to say the support from both was excellent!!

    Now I have worked out what is happening I was able to complete my first 8 minute test. It was still hard work but I guess it is supposed to be. I'm still working out what all the figures mean but here is my ride:

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/379070

    Please feel free to comment on how I have done.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    foggybike wrote:
    fukawitribe wrote:
    foggybike wrote:
    Any ideas why my Wahoo KICKR keeps switching to STANDARD mode from ERG when I try and do the 8 minute test??

    All ok until the first 8mins start then bang switch to standard and screws it all up...

    P1ssing me off 3rd time in have attempted it now.

    please help

    Not sure - but this may help

    http://support.trainerroad.com/entries/20872136-What-s-the-difference-between-ERG-mode-and-Slope-mode-

    The relevant line looks to be this (if it makes sense to you, the various modes don't mean much to me as i've not used a Kickr)
    Tests
    During our tests, we automatically put you in Slope Mode when you hit a test interval. We think this is good because you dictate the power output to us. If you don't want this, you can push F2 again and switch back to ERG mode.


    Thanks for that!!! I have been in touch with Wahoo and Trainer Road support as well and it all makes sense now. I have to say the support from both was excellent!!

    Now I have worked out what is happening I was able to complete my first 8 minute test. It was still hard work but I guess it is supposed to be. I'm still working out what all the figures mean but here is my ride:

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/379070

    Please feel free to comment on how I have done.

    Well it looks like you worked fairly hard going by the heart rate so now you can crack on and see how much you can improve. Never easy doing the first test though.

    I did 'Goddard' last night, involved some drills including one legged riding which I struggled with sometimes in terms of unclipping and clipping back in without stopping completely. The last two efforts were quite hard as they're based around higher cadence so I was spinning at around 120-130 for the final minute of each one. Got through it though and lost a shed load of sweat again in the process...

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/379212

    Next week I think I'm going to start the 20 minute FTP accelerator plan, it doesn't really seem worthwhile doing a base plan at this time of year. That will take me through until October when I've got a couple of hilly sportives, then I'll start the base plans in November.
  • Lefthook
    Lefthook Posts: 124
    Ok, I know it is a common theme but would appreciate an experienced eye looking at my first workout on the trainer.
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/381203

    Using a Tacx Flow and had it set to the 0 setting.

    I obviously went out too easy on the first 8 mins, but by the end of the first 8 mins I was in my hardest gear and spinning out almost at 120 cadence. This would indicate to me that something is wrong in the set up. I had calibrated the trainer during the warm up, you can see the spike. The flow does a spin down calibration from 30kmph. So should hopefully be reasonably consistent, if not accurate!

    I am under no illusions of my own ability. Reasonably fit, I commute to work 4 times a week 28km round trip, do a longer ride(60-100km) on average twice a month. Do 3 or 4 100-160km sportives a year. But I do not have a FTP close to 300! That is sure. My max heart rate is 190. I hit 182 during the test. I know that the VP figure is not really for comparison with others, only for judging your own improvements.

    So a couple of main questions:

    1) Since I was almost spinning out at max effort in top gear, do I really need to run at the Flow 2% setting, rather than the 0% to increase the resistance.
    2) If yes to above, I assume the power curve will be different and I really need to retest?
    3) Can anyone see anything I might have set up wrong? Anyone else using the Flow and have input on the best set up?

    Thanks for looking and appreciate any feedback.
  • foggybike
    foggybike Posts: 160
    Hello,

    Just wondering if anyone else keeps a track of their trainer road rides in strava? I do because it keeps everything in one place. But I have an issue with the mileage that is being generated from the trainerroad file uploads.

    For example last night I did the Baxter and uploaded it to strava, but it states that I covered miles on that ride. Very unlikely considering I average 16-17 mph on the road.

    Does anyone know how the mileage is being generated for how it can be altered?

    Thanks.
  • src1
    src1 Posts: 301
    When you upload to Strava just check the box to tell Strava you did the ride on a stationary trainer.
  • foggybike
    foggybike Posts: 160
    SRC1 wrote:
    When you upload to Strava just check the box to tell Strava you did the ride on a stationary trainer.

    Yep the ride is mark as stationary trainer.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    How are you uploading, from the tcx file generated by TR or from a Garmin? I don't have any issue with the tcx, the Garmin though would be dependent on the wheel circumference you put into it.
  • src1
    src1 Posts: 301
    Hi,

    I did the Blender on Trainer Road the other day : http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/379189

    When I look at the "Power Zones" and "Heart Rate Zones" tabs, there's a big difference between time spent in (what I think are) equivalent zones. For example, I spent 22mins in the sweet spot power zone, but only 2mins in the sweet spot heart rate zone.

    Does this mean I've got something wrong, e.g., my FTP test is out of date, or is this to be expected?

    Thanks.
  • src1
    src1 Posts: 301
    Hi,
    I upload form my Garmin directly and don't get any distance shown despite using a speed/cadence sensor. How do you upload?
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    SRC1 wrote:
    Hi,
    I upload form my Garmin directly and don't get any distance shown despite using a speed/cadence sensor. How do you upload?

    Do you turn off GPS before you start the workout? If not, you need to...
  • src1
    src1 Posts: 301
    edited August 2013
    MoscowFlyer wrote:
    Do you turn off GPS before you start the workout? If not, you need to...


    Oops, I should have been clearer, I was replying to FoggyBike and saying that my static trainer rides don't show a distance - which I think is what he's after. I don't turn off my GPS before static rides, I just upload directly from my Garmin to Strava and tell it that it's a static ride.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    Ok, well generally speaking ideally you need to turn GPS off as you can get very skewed data. Then make sure the magnet's attached and the proper wheel circumference is put in. Whether this is why his data is wrong though, I have no idea.
  • foggybike
    foggybike Posts: 160
    SRC1 wrote:
    MoscowFlyer wrote:
    Do you turn off GPS before you start the workout? If not, you need to...


    Oops, I should have been clearer, I was replying to FoggyBike and saying that static trainer rides don't show a distance - which I think is what he's after. I don't turn off my GPS before static rides, I just upload directly from my Garmin to Strava and tell it that it's a static ride.


    Confusion :)

    I download the file straight from TR then upload direct to Strava, rides are marked as static trainer. But it's still recording distance.

    I'm more interested in however it is calculating the distance I covered on the trainer rather than nothing at all.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    foggybike wrote:
    SRC1 wrote:
    MoscowFlyer wrote:
    Do you turn off GPS before you start the workout? If not, you need to...


    Oops, I should have been clearer, I was replying to FoggyBike and saying that static trainer rides don't show a distance - which I think is what he's after. I don't turn off my GPS before static rides, I just upload directly from my Garmin to Strava and tell it that it's a static ride.


    Confusion :)

    I download the file straight from TR then upload direct to Strava, rides are marked as static trainer. But it's still recording distance.

    I'm more interested in however it is calculating the distance I covered on the trainer rather than nothing at all.

    It calculates it from the cadence sensor. However they don't show it as they acknowledge it's not necessarily accurate, although it's still contained within the tcx file. If you want a more accurate distance, use the Garmin if you have one. You can sync the Garmin with TR to show power as well so still get all the power data as well as speed/cadence.
  • foggybike
    foggybike Posts: 160
    MoscowFlyer wrote:
    foggybike wrote:
    SRC1 wrote:
    MoscowFlyer wrote:
    Do you turn off GPS before you start the workout? If not, you need to...


    Oops, I should have been clearer, I was replying to FoggyBike and saying that static trainer rides don't show a distance - which I think is what he's after. I don't turn off my GPS before static rides, I just upload directly from my Garmin to Strava and tell it that it's a static ride.


    Confusion :)

    I download the file straight from TR then upload direct to Strava, rides are marked as static trainer. But it's still recording distance.

    I'm more interested in however it is calculating the distance I covered on the trainer rather than nothing at all.

    It calculates it from the cadence sensor. However they don't show it as they acknowledge it's not necessarily accurate, although it's still contained within the tcx file. If you want a more accurate distance, use the Garmin if you have one. You can sync the Garmin with TR to show power as well so still get all the power data as well as speed/cadence.

    Thanks. Is it possible to have a garmin and wahoo trainer both working with trainerroad at the same time? I'll have a go tonight and see if I can get that to work.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    No idea, I'm not familiar with that trainer but I don't see why not.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    Two workouts within 12 hours has left me a bit sore. This morning's nearly made me throw up after half an hour.

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/382958

    A small blip where I had to stop to take the laptop out of the rain as I had it just outside the garage when it start chucking it down, but that hurt a lot. In terms of speed/distance, the tcx file had the exact same data as the Garmin.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    Two weeks after my 8 minute test I finally took the plunge and did the 20. FTP up by 9 to 306, it wasn't pretty but I managed to plough on through it and wasn't too inconsistent throughout unlike my first 8 minute effort last time.

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/385341

    Only issue now is that the workouts get harder...
  • bigpikle
    bigpikle Posts: 1,690
    Looking for feedback on the plans in TR - anyone had any experience following them and what results have you experienced? New 40km TT plans look of most interest from what I've read but not signed up yet so not seen the detail of the plans themselves.

    Plans would be for winter use really so looking for max FTP development in the run up to the start of TT season next year.
    Your Past is Not Your Potential...
  • jon33
    jon33 Posts: 256
    Had a skim through this thread to try and discover which turbo trainers are using that work well with TrainerRoad but from what I've seen there is nothing around the £150 price range.

    Is anyone using this well with a trainer around that price range?
  • cerv50
    cerv50 Posts: 272
    MoscowFlyer wrote:
    Two weeks after my 8 minute test I finally took the plunge and did the 20. FTP up by 9 to 306, it wasn't pretty but I managed to plough on through it and wasn't too inconsistent throughout unlike my first 8 minute effort last time.

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/385341

    Only issue now is that the workouts get harder...

    Well done!, your right though, training with TR will now get harder for you :wink:

    I am now into at the end of week 2 of base plan 1 and all seems pretty good so far. Looking forward to a retest in a couple of weeks time :D
  • Donkeywings
    Donkeywings Posts: 79
    After reading this thread for ages, I think I have decided on a Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. Their new 2014 model is due out imminently, so hopefully there might be a bit of a price drop on the current model soon. If it ends up mid-£200s, are there any other (better?) Turbo's to look at in this price range? Is using the gears for resistance a better experience than having a resistance adjuster ?
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  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    Donkeywings wrote:
    After reading this thread for ages, I think I have decided on a Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. Their new 2014 model is due out imminently, so hopefully there might be a bit of a price drop on the current model soon. If it ends up mid-£200s, are there any other (better?) Turbo's to look at in this price range? Is using the gears for resistance a better experience than having a resistance adjuster ?

    Can't talk for anyone else but I hate resistance adjustors and it's what makes the Road Machine such a great turbo for me.
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Just done the 12s and 1min power profile test and set a new FTP in the process. That's after a heavy gym sesh this morning too. I WILL be a track sprinter.

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/388303
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  • spearmint_wino
    spearmint_wino Posts: 109
    Did Ericsson tonight, for some reason it hasn't uploaded. Anyway, found the first couple of intervals quite tough, second two more manageable. Might start a base plan to keep the motivation up over the coming weeks.
  • moscowflyer
    moscowflyer Posts: 540
    Come on then, who's done the new Sufferfest Violator yet?

    I did the RealRides power on Saturday and I'm still hurting now, pretty brutal and cramp after 45 minutes or so didn't help!

    https://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/397371
  • gavt0333
    gavt0333 Posts: 95
    Did it this morning. As per usual struggling to walk, although between it and Revolver, it's hard to say which is worse. The bit at the end is a bit of a b****** mind you, but I found it quite difficult to go as hard as I would like on some of the sprints as they were over so quickly. Not so with Revolver..

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