Tdf Stage 9 *Spoiler*
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Would Bert ride away from them in the mountains? It's one thing to put in a blistering attack but it often relies on the other man trying to match it and going into the red. If the other man and his mates just keep a relentless hard tempo they can pull you back or really minimise the time lost.0
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Where is that Picard facepalm photo when you need it.
Honestly folk, I do hope Froome is 'all clear'. Maybe a clearly inform Cancellara can only trounce a field in <10km TT. C'mon though, its like Frank or Andy beating Fab in a TT!
Anyway, There is nothing in the upcoming stage profiles to suggest Wiggens can be troubled. The ASO have really fecked up with this years profile. With a 'cleaner' peloton these days, GC riders generally won't go until the final climb* - not many this year! And they won't risk going on a climb with 20-50kms from the finish with an opposing team train closing them down. Im sure the ASO wanted to keep as many 'goodies' as possible for next year's centenary but this year is over as of now. Shame.
^yeah, Andy went early last year WITH A SUMMIT FINISH but it didn't work.0 -
Pross wrote:Would Bert ride away from them in the mountains? It's one thing to put in a blistering attack but it often relies on the other man trying to match it and going into the red. If the other man and his mates just keep a relentless hard tempo they can pull you back or really minimise the time lost.
I think he'd have few problems with the current field.0 -
Just wait and see what he will do to them in the Vuelta.Contador is the Greatest0
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velo.2010 wrote:C'mon though, its like Frank or Andy beating Fab in a TT!
Except it's absolutely nothing like that all...?0 -
I'm guessing Contador's ready to put in some serious digs and make everybody else look pathetic. Basically, it will be the 2011 Giro when he thought he had nothing else to race for.0
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velo.2010 wrote:Where is that Picard facepalm photo when you need it. Honestly folk, I do hope Froome is 'all clear'. Maybe a clearly inform Cancellara can only trounce a field in <10km TT. C'mon though, its like Frank or Andy beating Fab in a TT!
Anyway, There is nothing in the upcoming stage profiles to suggest Wiggens can be troubled. The ASO have really fecked up with this years profile. With a 'cleaner' peloton these days, GC riders generally won't go until the final climb* - not many this year! And they won't risk going on a climb with 20-50kms from the finish with an opposing team train closing them down. Im sure the ASO wanted to keep as many 'goodies' as possible for next year's centenary but this year is over as of now. Shame.
^yeah, Andy went early last year WITH A SUMMIT FINISH but it didn't work.
If he's "clearly inform" why did he only beat Tejay van Garderen by 9 seconds, Chavanel by 27, and Nibali by 1'10?0 -
Earlier someone said something to the effect that Froome has always been a good TTist, what are his previous ITT results in Grand Tours?0
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My personal opinion, Cry controlled time trial, controlled position, can't believe he's not on the juice.
Sorry to the believers, but I'm cynical after all that's gone before
Book hoo to those my personal opinion upsets
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Rundfahrt wrote:Earlier someone said something to the effect that Froome has always been a good TTist, what are his previous ITT results in Grand Tours?
Well it isnt the best tbh...
07: 2nd 'B' World Champs
08: 4th Some stage race in Portugal
09: 17th Worlds
10: 2nd British Champs
11: 2nd Vuelta TT, 4th Tour of Beijing TT
12: 6th Dauphine TTContador is the Greatest0 -
FF usual crap againfrenchfighter wrote:welshmessenger wrote:Reckon Bertie's getting worried? Remains to be seen how Wiggins copes in the mountains, but could be an interesting match up over three weeks. Groomed could give him a run for his money too.
I don't think so.
A GT with less TTing and some mountains is a different story.
Contador can TT like a champ and climb better than all of them. He also has tactical ability, an attacking yet calculating attitude, lots of friends in the peloton and much more experience in all sorts of situations and terrains.
That being said they are formidable opposition and Contador will have to be prepared.
Contador would certainly drop Wiggins and although Froome could quite possibly hold him for a while, an in form Contador would drop him.
how can you quantify that bertie would "certainly" drop Wiggo? Bertie hardly set the world on fire post clean days did he? He has a hard acceleration but then tends to slow a Km or so later, Wiggos style is just to ride tempo and not loose too much.
Wiggo and Sky have learnt from past errors such as when he lost too much weight and struggled on climbs longer than 45 minutes0 -
He finished 28 seconds ahead of Cancellara in stage 10 of the vuelta last year...0
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.iainf72 wrote:He was approached by a bunch of teams in the Vuelta last year when his contract was almost up. He chose to stay at Sky. I don't think that will change anytime soon.
Why? He should cash in (like Wiggo did to Garmin).
If he is clean, can climb like a goat, and TT like the wind -- why wouldn't he want to ride for himself?
Or is he this generation's Klodi?0 -
Turfle wrote:velo.2010 wrote:Where is that Picard facepalm photo when you need it. Honestly folk, I do hope Froome is 'all clear'. Maybe a clearly inform Cancellara can only trounce a field in <10km TT. C'mon though, its like Frank or Andy beating Fab in a TT!
Anyway, There is nothing in the upcoming stage profiles to suggest Wiggens can be troubled. The ASO have really fecked up with this years profile. With a 'cleaner' peloton these days, GC riders generally won't go until the final climb* - not many this year! And they won't risk going on a climb with 20-50kms from the finish with an opposing team train closing them down. Im sure the ASO wanted to keep as many 'goodies' as possible for next year's centenary but this year is over as of now. Shame.
^yeah, Andy went early last year WITH A SUMMIT FINISH but it didn't work.
If he's "clearly inform" why did he only beat Tejay van Garderen by 9 seconds, Chavanel by 27, and Nibali by 1'10?
Turtle, I won't bother listing the achievements of the guys above other than saying I'm less surprised by their proximity to Cancellara than I am of Froome. Years of outstanding results from Nibali and Chavanel and rising performances from TVG showing an upward curve.
Froome reminds me of an athlete we had here in Ireland, a swimmer by the name of Michelle Smith. A decent swimmer with some good but not outstanding results - top 16 in the world in one event by her early twenties. A couple of years later she goes and wins 3 Olympic gold medals. Disbelief mixed amongst obvious joy back home. Many of her peers didn't believe it, even former teammates. She had a level, good but not a champion. Drugs made her a champion! She was banned for tampering with a urine sample after an early morning home visit from the testers. The sample later showed banned hormones.0 -
Zabriskie was nowhere near (even though he is US TT champ) and Levi was average...Contador is the Greatest0
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Odd hats for AG2rContador is the Greatest0
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nweststeyn wrote:He finished 28 seconds ahead of Cancellara in stage 10 of the vuelta last year...
After some research:
2008 stage 4 TDF-33rd
2008 stage 16 TDF-16th
2009 stage 10 Giro-34th
2009 stage 21 Giro-32nd
2010 stage 16 Giro-39th
2011 stage 12 Vuelta, 2nd
Except for a sudden breakthrough last fall, I am not seeing anything that leads me to believe what was said about his ITT abilities.0 -
Good pics ff look at the bloke at the bottom ! Not even suffering. Is he on sky?frenchfighter wrote:Getty
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Rundfahrt wrote:Earlier someone said something to the effect that Froome has always been a good TTist, what are his previous ITT results in Grand Tours?
2008 Tour (23 yrs old, debut):
29.5k - 30th, 1'31 behind Kirchen/Millar
53k - 14th, 2'39 behind Cancellara
2009 Giro:
Stage 12: 60.6k, 33rd, 5'36 behind Menchov
Stage 21: 15.5k, 31st, 1'00 behind Konavolovas.
2010 Giro:
Stage 1, 8.4k, 138th, 51 seconds behind Wiggins
Stage 16, 12.9k, 39th, 3'47 behind Garzelli (MTT)
How many of those were ridden at 40% or 100% is anyone's guess.0 -
Two pretty girls. One smokes though, the other doesn't.frenchfighter wrote:
FF, your avatar changes demonstate greater mood swings than my Missus at that nasty time every lunar cycle. :?0 -
Turfle wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:Earlier someone said something to the effect that Froome has always been a good TTist, what are his previous ITT results in Grand Tours?
2008 Tour (23 yrs old, debut):
29.5k - 30th, 1'31 behind Kirchen/Millar
53k - 14th, 2'39 behind Cancellara
2009 Giro:
Stage 12: 60.6k, 33rd, 5'36 behind Menchov
Stage 21: 15.5k, 31st, 1'00 behind Konavolovas.
2010 Giro:
Stage 1, 8.4k, 138th, 51 seconds behind Wiggins
Stage 16, 12.9k, 39th, 3'47 behind Garzelli (MTT)
How many of those were ridden at 40% or 100% is anyone's guess.
Are you seriously offering this as proof that he's clean? Seriously? Genuine question.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Someone asked what his TT results were. Turfle was answering the question.0
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A couple of ppl have asked about the weather. The wind got up quite a bit later and it was straight behind at 7/8 k to go, which means it was downwind for most of course.
I was at 7.5km to go and Wiggo was absolutely flying. Hardly unexpected result given P-N and Dauphine.
Great to see such an amazing weekend's action. Flying back early tomorrow.
Without wanting to de-rail thread even more: doesn't Wiggo's strength show the benefit of bio passport? Really cleaning up peloton IMO. The upsides are now smaller (can't do big EPO) and the risk of getting caught is greater and greater, so more potential dopers being put off)
Wish Wiggo would say clearly "I'm clean, I've never taken anything and never will do"?0 -
RoadPainter wrote:A couple of ppl have asked about the weather. The wind got up quite a bit later and it was straight behind at 7/8 k to go, which means it was downwind for most of course.
I was at 7.5km to go and Wiggo was absolutely flying. Hardly unexpected result given P-N and Dauphine.
Great to see such an amazing weekend's action. Flying back early tomorrow.
Without wanting to de-rail thread even more: doesn't Wiggo's strength show the benefit of bio passport? Really cleaning up peloton IMO. The upsides are now smaller (can't do big EPO) and the risk of getting caught is greater and greater, so more potential dopers being put off)
Wish Wiggo would say clearly "I'm clean, I've never taken anything and never will do"?
Keep up
"I say they're just fucking wankers. I cannot be doing with people like that.
It justifies their own bone-idleness because they can't ever imagine applying themselves to do anything in their lives.
It's easy for them to sit under a pseudonym on Twitter and write that sort of shit, rather than get off their arses in their own lives and apply themselves and work hard at something and achieve something. And that's ultimately it. Cunts."You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Out of interest, before moving to Sky, how many seasons did Froome have riding without serious flare ups from his illness? I wasn't watching cycling much back then but from what I've read he often showed signs of promise but then he would fall ill again. Sky must have seen something in him as they were keen to sign him.
I think people need to take a step back and look and things a bit more clearly. Who exactly have Wiggins and Froome been beating to make people so doubtful? Canc has been injured for much of the season and is nowhere near his form of 2010. He rode hard on Saturday to try to limit his losses and after his lay off that is likely to have had an effect on him. They beat Nibali by about 3 minutes which isn't a surprise. The bigger surprise is Evans, I suspect it is more that he had a bad day than anything else.
On Stage 7 we had similar comments but Sky didn't drop the man who is widely considered to be the most likely clean winner of the TdF for years and Taaramae held on to the very end, even Cancellara lost less than 2 minutes despite getting dropped 5km from the finish. This is far from the days of USPS when they were riding the likes of Ullrich and Pantani of their wheels, riders who are confirmed dopers and, in Pantani's case, one of the great 'natural' climbers.
I genuinely think that the results are showing a combination of a field in poor form, carrying injuries and riding cleaner than in the past few decades. The likes of Wiggins and Brailsford have way too much to lose to take risks. Brailsford in particular would lose all the respect and credibility he has gained over the last few Olympics. Yes, the TdF title is the biggest thing in the sport but is it enough that these people would be prepared to risk losing everything that has gone before?0 -
“We have not seen any real mountains and from what I have seen, there are some who can crack. Once you crack in the mountains and you can tumble all the way down. Just ask Evans,” JVB told nieuwsblad.be in reference in Cadel Evans’ failed 2009 Tour campaign.
Van den Broeck knows he can put the race under pressure like he did on stage eight – with the help of his teammate Jelle Vanendert. If he wants to make up time to Wiggins and the rest, he’ll have to do something in terrain that suits him most.
“It depends on the legs and the situation, but if everything is working properly, I'll definitely try attacks like Sunday [stage eight].
“I remain positive. There will be a great battle in the mountains. We have not seen the Col [mountains], so actually it is too early for conclusions,” he saidContador is the Greatest0 -
TheBigBean wrote:The force opposing a TT is wind resistence; the force opposing a climb is gravity. Therefore a big powerful person should TT well and climb poorly, and a light, powerful for their weight climber, should TT badly.
Mechanics isn't your speciality, is it.0 -
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