The Annual Phil and Paul Thread!

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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Alan A wrote:
    Last year on 5live Matt Dawson hosted the TdF preview. He was not too bad at it.
    Brotherton oozes knowledge and with years of radio experience deserves to oust Hugh Porter from his BBC spot because he is much much worse than P&P.

    that may be so "but in the sport of professional bike racing" who is he? Can he tell "former New Zealand road race champion Big Julian Dean" from "the Little Prince Cunego?"

    Should we run a book on how many times Hugh Porter prefixes a sentence with "Now then..." ? :lol:
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    I enjoyed 5 Live's Tour preview last night, Colin Murray had obviously done a bit of research and (unless it was in the first few minutes that I missed) there was no reference to doping at all in a one hour show!
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Pross wrote:
    I enjoyed 5 Live's Tour preview last night, Colin Murray had obviously done a bit of research and (unless it was in the first few minutes that I missed) there was no reference to doping at all in a one hour show!

    So we now know BB doesn't work for Radio 5 :wink:
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  • Abdoujaparov
    Abdoujaparov Posts: 642
    Pross wrote:
    I enjoyed 5 Live's Tour preview last night, Colin Murray had obviously done a bit of research and (unless it was in the first few minutes that I missed) there was no reference to doping at all in a one hour show!

    Colin Murray is great. Doesn't know great deal about cycling, but is such a decent bloke and a good presenter. Actually met him before and he came across really well.

    I don't mind Hugh Porter actually. As great as the Phil and Paul-isms are, I can't really imagine anyone worse for commentating. Without fail, they make crucial mistakes in every stage. Quite a funny moment in last year's Tour when Vanendert breaks clear on that cat 3 hill-top finish in the first week. For literally two minutes they think it's Van den Broeck and then sheepishly say something about them changing places on the road when they work it out.

    Anyway, I remember Matt Dawson from last year's 5 Live Tour preview - wasn't such a fan. He came across like he'd done literally no research, knew nothing about cycling, but was just obsessed with the suffering element of cycling. Get over it. Pro cycling hurts, now move on.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,557
    Surely if the Beeb wanted an ex-rugby player who is into their cycling, they'd have brought Lawrence Dallaglio along?! He's cycled a few miles since he stopped lying all over the opposition's ball on the rugby pitch! They could have added his cycling buddy, Freddie Flintoff too!
  • TheHelpfulDevil
    TheHelpfulDevil Posts: 129
    Pross wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Actually quite like Phil and Paul. They're an institution.

    So's Broadmoor!

    Love this guys, yes they make mistakes, yes they love lance, yes the heads of states are still up there - but how could you hate.

    Also big fan of the very slick ITV4 highlights. Fairly sure last couple years on big mountain stages they do extended shows so you do not miss too much action.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Abdoujaparov wrote:
    Anyway, I remember Matt Dawson from last year's 5 Live Tour preview - wasn't such a fan. He came across like he'd done literally no research, knew nothing about cycling, but was just obsessed with the suffering element of cycling. Get over it. Pro cycling hurts, now move on.
    The cycling media have been banging that particular drum for over 100 years now. Why should Dawson be any different? Even on here we have a 'race face' thread and you'll see fans who think that every other stage should be 250km with five mountains.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    RichN95 wrote:
    Abdoujaparov wrote:
    Anyway, I remember Matt Dawson from last year's 5 Live Tour preview - wasn't such a fan. He came across like he'd done literally no research, knew nothing about cycling, but was just obsessed with the suffering element of cycling. Get over it. Pro cycling hurts, now move on.
    The cycling media have been banging that particular drum for over 100 years now. Why should Dawson be any different? Even on here we have a 'race face' thread and you'll see fans who think that every other stage should be 250km with five mountains.

    Every other stage? Lightweights, back in the day every stage was like that ;)
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Should we run a book on how many times Hugh Porter prefixes a sentence with "Now then..." ? :lol:

    How many riders will be "on fire" ?
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    I've never read a word about him planning to retire, but Liggett's now 68- I wonder how Sherwen (56) would be with another presenter.
  • jmcc500
    jmcc500 Posts: 33
    I've grown up listening to Phil and Paul. I can't imagine enjoying it with any other presenters, but then I thought that about Murray Walker and James Hunt doing F1 commentary, but in retrospect the Martin Brundle/David Coulthard combo worked well there.

    So, what I'm saying (I think) is don't take away Phil and Paul, they're great, but I will look forward to their replacements when the time comes.
  • NervexProf
    NervexProf Posts: 4,202
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  • mikeeye
    mikeeye Posts: 162
    Tusher wrote:
    I wonder how Sherwen (56) would be with another presenter.
    Don't watch this if you don't want to know what happened in the Dauhiné this year. But otherwise, here is an example of Paul Sherwen commentating with someone other than Phil. Dauphiné Stage 7 on YouTube
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  • Squaggles
    Squaggles Posts: 875
    Bob Roll :lol:
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  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    "Cavendish enters the final kilometre, or 1000 yards or if you will"
    Priceless
  • jim453
    jim453 Posts: 1,360
    I used to think they were sort of endearing but that's gone now. They are a couple of irritating morons, especially Phil, who is just an utter and total knobhead.

    No mention of Lance either, funny that.
  • philw80
    philw80 Posts: 436
    "And Tony Martin's got a problem with his second bike!"

    "No, that's a replay!"
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    They were on fire today. Everyone who set off was a potential winner, they fawned over Big George and Levi. I sincerely believe they both wear USPS/Discovery thongs.
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  • roypsb
    roypsb Posts: 309
    Oh crap - I'd forgotten all about Boisson-Hagen and Voickler. Do you think he does it on purpose, to be annoying/different?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    jim453 wrote:
    No mention of Lance either, funny that.

    Evans used a higher cadence like Lance did apparently.

    No mention of EPO though.
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  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Lance used EPO ?

    No way on earth would they ever say that ! :D
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Anyone hear sherwin say "He could have played SOCCER ??? Wtf ......Is Sherwin paid by ITV or is he pandering to those thick yanks again....It's FOOTBALL ya nobend and you being english as well.....gonnie just drop these 2 over-the-hill pensioners and get someone else in place.
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    philw80 wrote:
    "And Tony Martin's got a problem with his second bike!"

    "No, that's a replay!"

    I understand it is a difficult job, but they have become a little sad.

    Phil gets more things wrong than right, and Paul seems to just fix Phil's mess.

    Of course,I'm "on the rivet," so I probably have this all wrong.
  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    This was posted over at Cyclingnews ... so I thought I'd post it here (look around 12 mins!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FrJTmB2QJg
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    emadden wrote:
    This was posted over at Cyclingnews ... so I thought I'd post it here (look around 12 mins!)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FrJTmB2QJg

    Oh dear Phil, that's what happens when you broadcast with no one to correct you.
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  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    The tedious Texan was mentioned on the highlights show, by Gary Imlach. Was talking about the moral boost to the car crash that is RSN.
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,122
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Anyone hear sherwin say "He could have played SOCCER ??? Wtf ......Is Sherwin paid by ITV or is he pandering to those thick yanks again....It's FOOTBALL ya nobend and you being english as well.....gonnie just drop these 2 over-the-hill pensioners and get someone else in place.

    Soccer is an old English term to distinguish Assocciation Football from other types of football such as Rugby FootbalL :roll:

    Any way back to Phil and Paul, there is the odd occasion when they disagree such as when Andy Schlecked his chain and Contador didn't wait, Vino's return etc. The ensuing discussions are usually quite good as they lose themselves in the issue and forget the audience. They are knowledgeable but, they commentary is not satisafactory to anyone who has been following the 'sport of professional bike racing' for years.

    It's Eurosport for me.
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    There's reason this is called the ANNUAL P&P thread, we have the same discussion every year.

    Of course people who are interested enough to join a forum will cringe at their commentary, but we're the ones who sign up to Eurosport because we appreciate the commentary on there.

    Your average Joe Freeview isn't bothered about that, and P&P suit them just fine.
  • mercsport
    mercsport Posts: 664
    Although Phil and Paul are likely guilty of most of the sins mentioned in this annual thread, one of the several things they have going for them is 'history'. That, together with an engaging enthusiasm still and an abhorrence of periods of silence. They were in at the beginning of this GT coverage game on the telly in this country - was it channel 4 then all those years ago? Eurosport and the others since are, let us not forget, upstarts. Noobies. Heck, I was grateful to them then. Still am.
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  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Sherwen just unleashed "de rigueur" into his commentary.

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