All Time TdF Dream Team

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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Pross wrote:
    The most interesting might be if no team members can have won one of the 3 main jerseys in the TdF.

    In that case, I'll go for...

    Ivan Basso
    Alexander Vinokourov
    Stefan Schumacher
    Floyd Landis
    Danilo Di Luca
    Roberto Heras
    Tyler Hamilton
    Ricarrdo Ricco
    Bernhard Kohl
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    English Speaking Team

    GC - Lemond

    Hampsten
    Millar R
    Wiggins B
    Cavendish
    Yates
    Kelly
    Boardman

    +1
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    TailWindHome wrote:
    English Speaking Team

    GC - Lemond

    Hampsten
    Millar R
    Wiggins B
    Cavendish
    Yates
    Kelly
    Boardman

    +1

    Simpson?
  • alan_a
    alan_a Posts: 1,587
    TailWindHome wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    ok how about a team with no previous tour winners

    Let's just say Merckx is injured......

    :lol:

    Ok, in his day he was good, in fact he was legendary... but in the all time stakes is he in a league of his own?

    Big Mig Indurain - he was the reason I got interested and excited about TdF
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    Sean Kelly
    Mark Cavendish
    Fab Cancellara
    Tiralongo
    Stuey O'Grady
    Sean Yates
    Pierre Rolland

    That's a team that would blow any GT TTT apart.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    Pross wrote:
    Simpson?

    Firstly let me say my cycling knowledge ain't great, though I'm learning a lot on the forum.

    That said.... what would he bring to the team.

    Too classy to be a work horse, Cavendish is stone cold cert as sprinter, Lemond is a better bet for GC.....

    Was he a good enough climber? I'm short there.




    Kelly is already occupying the Deity slot
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Simpson?

    Firstly let me say my cycling knowledge ain't great, though I'm learning a lot on the forum.

    That said.... what would he bring to the team.

    Too classy to be a work horse, Cavendish is stone cold cert as sprinter, Lemond is a better bet for GC.....

    Was he a good enough climber? I'm short there.




    Kelly is already occupying the Deity slot

    Can have both, surely?

    Simpson to me seems good at everything bar the highest mountains.
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  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    ShockedSoShocked wrote:
    Leader: Ullrich in his 2003 form.

    Why not 1997 form?

    Well its a toss up really, but I loved him at that Tour. His quads were massive.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    ShockedSoShocked wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    ShockedSoShocked wrote:
    Leader: Ullrich in his 2003 form.

    Why not 1997 form?

    Well its a toss up really, but I loved him at that Tour. His quads were massive.

    That actually made me giggle. :lol::lol:
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  • alwaystoohot
    alwaystoohot Posts: 252
    How come no one's gone for Hinault?
    'I started with nothing and still have most of it left.'
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Pross wrote:
    The most interesting might be if no team members can have won one of the 3 main jerseys in the TdF.
    Ok. Poulidor, Cancellara, Hincapie and Marie were in my original team, so I'll keep them.
    Then add:
    Andy Hampsten
    Roger Riviere
    Ivan Basso
    Mario Cipollini
    Jan Raas

    I would have liked to find room for Moreno Argentin, but just two stage wins means he's the one to miss out.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Alwaystoohot wrote:
    How come no one's gone for Hinault?

    Dodgy knee innit.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Simpson?

    Firstly let me say my cycling knowledge ain't great, though I'm learning a lot on the forum.

    That said.... what would he bring to the team.

    Too classy to be a work horse, Cavendish is stone cold cert as sprinter, Lemond is a better bet for GC.....

    Was he a good enough climber? I'm short there.




    Kelly is already occupying the Deity slot

    If you go for the one winner only rule and ignore some dubious Americans (yes, I know the irony having suggested Simpson but it was a bit different back then IMHO) you are probably looking at Bauer or Phil Anderson then or possibly Hoban although with Kelly and Cav that might be a struggle.
  • edhornby
    edhornby Posts: 1,780
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    The most interesting might be if no team members can have won one of the 3 main jerseys in the TdF.

    In that case, I'll go for...

    Ivan Basso
    Alexander Vinokourov
    Stefan Schumacher
    Floyd Landis
    Danilo Di Luca
    Roberto Heras
    Tyler Hamilton
    Ricarrdo Ricco
    Bernhard Kohl

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Surely you just want Merckx for everything?!?

    Possibly add Canc for the odd TT Eddie wouldn't win, Cav for pure sprinting, then Tenacious V and Hoogerland for the comedy breakaway role....
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    My team:

    Pantani as leader

    Heras
    Chiapucci
    Zulle
    Hincapie
    Hampsten
    Moser
    Boonen
    Cancellara
  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    TailWindHome wrote:
    English Speaking Team

    GC - Lemond

    Hampsten
    Millar R
    Wiggins B
    Cavendish
    Yates
    Kelly
    Boardman

    +1

    English speaking ?? Kelly ??
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    My team for the 'combativity' prize:

    Bernard Hinault
    Sean Kelly
    Jose Beyaert
    Jose Barredo
    Walter Godefroot
    Freddy Maertens
    Briek Schotte
    Rik van Steenbergen
    Gino Bartali

    'nails' the lot of them - they'd probably scare the $hit out of the competition or send Jose Beyaert around if they didn't submit. Even better if they held the race in April.....
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I've been thinking about this.

    If we're talking purely the Tour, I'd dump Merckx and go for Armstrong.

    I get the impression Armstrong, as much as I don't like him, is a better leader on the road. He demands a lot more of the riders and, by and large, they stepped up to the plate. Merckx spent half the time doing it himself.

    I've also been thinking about the strongest team ever assembled for a tilt at the overall, and I couldn't get past one of the US Postal teams in the early '00s.
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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    I've been thinking about this.

    If we're talking purely the Tour, I'd dump Merckx and go for Armstrong.

    I've also been thinking about the strongest team ever assembled for a tilt at the overall, and I couldn't get past one of the US Postal teams in the early '00s.

    If we're talking actual teams, then surely the best has to be the La Vie Claire squad from 1986. They got 1st, 2nd, 4th and 7th. They won 6 stages, the KoM, best young rider, the combination jersey and obviously the team competition. Yikes!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    I've been thinking about this.

    If we're talking purely the Tour, I'd dump Merckx and go for Armstrong.

    I've also been thinking about the strongest team ever assembled for a tilt at the overall, and I couldn't get past one of the US Postal teams in the early '00s.

    If we're talking actual teams, then surely the best has to be the La Vie Claire squad from 1986. They got 1st, 2nd, 4th and 7th. They won 6 stages, the KoM, best young rider, the combination jersey and obviously the team competition. Yikes!

    Jeez.

    Back to the first point - Armstong was much better at controlling the variables. He was never ill, he never had a proper disaster, etc etc.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    Pross wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Simpson?

    Firstly let me say my cycling knowledge ain't great, though I'm learning a lot on the forum.

    That said.... what would he bring to the team.

    Too classy to be a work horse, Cavendish is stone cold cert as sprinter, Lemond is a better bet for GC.....

    Was he a good enough climber? I'm short there.




    Kelly is already occupying the Deity slot

    If you go for the one winner only rule and ignore some dubious Americans (yes, I know the irony having suggested Simpson but it was a bit different back then IMHO) you are probably looking at Bauer or Phil Anderson then or possibly Hoban although with Kelly and Cav that might be a struggle.



    I'm going for Hincapie
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Back to the first point - Armstong was much better at controlling the variables. He was never ill, he never had a proper disaster, etc etc.

    If we're talking TdF, Armstrong won 7, Merckx won 5, so it has to be Armstong. But if it's Grand Tours, then it has to be Merckx with 11 wins to Armstrong's 7.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Back to the first point - Armstong was much better at controlling the variables. He was never ill, he never had a proper disaster, etc etc.

    If we're talking TdF, Armstrong won 7, Merckx won 5, so it has to be Armstong. But if it's Grand Tours, then it has to be Merckx with 11 wins to Armstrong's 7.


    Oui.

    But it's a TdF team right? And as great as Merckx was, greatest rider ever etc, Armstrong's a better GC TdF rider.
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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Oui.

    But it's a TdF team right? And as great as Merckx was, greatest rider ever etc, Armstrong's a better GC TdF rider.

    So I win then? Think I was the only person to pick him yesterday! :wink:
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Oui.

    But it's a TdF team right? And as great as Merckx was, greatest rider ever etc, Armstrong's a better GC TdF rider.

    So I win then? Think I was the only person to pick him yesterday! :wink:

    Greasedscotsman:

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    I've been thinking about this.

    If we're talking purely the Tour, I'd dump Merckx and go for Armstrong.

    I've also been thinking about the strongest team ever assembled for a tilt at the overall, and I couldn't get past one of the US Postal teams in the early '00s.

    If we're talking actual teams, then surely the best has to be the La Vie Claire squad from 1986. They got 1st, 2nd, 4th and 7th. They won 6 stages, the KoM, best young rider, the combination jersey and obviously the team competition. Yikes!

    Lightweight - no green jersey (or is that why Iain regards green as an unimportant, novelty jersey?).

    I was tempted to put Armstrong in but just couldn't bring myself to do it. I justified it to myself by the fact that I wanted as many stages as possible as well as the GC, Merckx was just a far better all round rider.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Oui.

    But it's a TdF team right? And as great as Merckx was, greatest rider ever etc, Armstrong's a better GC TdF rider.

    So I win then? Think I was the only person to pick him yesterday! :wink:

    Greasedscotsman:

    Great_success.jpg

    Corrected that for you! :D
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Pross wrote:
    Lightweight - no green jersey (or is that why Iain regards green as an unimportant, novelty jersey?).

    They did win the Combination jersey. If there ever was a novelty competition at the Tour, that was it!
    Pross wrote:
    I was tempted to put Armstrong in but just couldn't bring myself to do it.

    I have no shame, it's winning that counts. I wheelsucked my way through the thread for a few pages, let everyone else fire off their attacks with their selections before launching my killer sprint right at the end. :D
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    I went for Merckx over Armstrong as he also won the green jersey, polka dot jersey and more stages. While 7 is obviously more than 5, that's down to longevity rather than ability, and Merckx was grossly over-riden and burnt out by 31.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    RichN95 wrote:
    I went for Merckx over Armstrong as he also won the green jersey, polka dot jersey and more stages. While 7 is obviously more than 5, that's down to longevity rather than ability, and Merckx was grossly over-riden and burnt out by 31.

    For sure.

    Armstrong was so reliable and consistent when winning the Tour. There were only two Tours you could say he was troubled in.

    1999, since I don't think even he knew he was that good, and 2003.

    Merckx had plenty more ups & downs.
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