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whiteboytrash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:entitled
You're not.
What an odd statement.
That sounds exclusionary.
Exclusionary how?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:entitled
You're not.
What an odd statement.
That sounds exclusionary.
Exclusionary how?
I can't work this out at all. Does anyone really believe we should have the right to access all information about a case that's still being processed? That Sky should be making statements about it or taking action on it before there's an official conclusion? Or that they're somehow letting us down, or worse, being dodgy, by not doing so?
That goes beyond naive to just plane nutty.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
*ahem* it's plain Nutelli
Get with the programme
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whiteboytrash wrote:I believe we are all entitled to know. Assuming that people want to know. Perhaps some don't?
The UCI and the WADA code disagree - are you going to get this post deleted too now?We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I do hope you are not that paranoid in real life Rich95. Could you point me to an interesting thread?RichN95 wrote:Dear WBT & Stilnox,
You have recently been posting on his forum and that's fine. But if you want to be taken seriously and not as trolls it might be beneficial to post about topics which don't involve Sky and doping. Show that you have some interest in cycling. Look at rayjay. He thinks Sky are doping, but he talks about other stuff so we accept him.
At the moment you are seen as Clinic trolls, which you are.
New to the Tour de France/Cycling? Click here?
Di Luca up to his old tricks?
Pro look-alikes?
I think is is pretty ignorant you telling me where to post otherwise I will be seen as a troll, sorry for you but I can not comply with your 'offer'. Maybe you could go on topic in your next posting instead of this troll mumbo jumbo? You know, JTL?
JTL:
Tiernan Locke has stated his training regime this season was too heavy a burden on him, overtrained. Wasnt this also the case with Lopez and Kirienka? If so, could it be they also have abnormalities in their BP? Or is their baseline much broader because they are in the BP from the start in 2008/2009.
If that is true, could a rider from Continental teams moving up to Pro Continental or even World Tour teams be disadvantaged for lacking a 'legit' baseline? Having said that, how can you speak of a baseline in the case of Tiernan Locke when the guy only entered the BP at last year's Tour of Britain?
Does anyone have info on when and if Tiernon Locke joined Sky's altitude trainingcamps?0 -
I think it was reported that JTL was training with Sky over in Tenerife last spring.0
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RonB wrote:I think it was reported that JTL was training with Sky over in Tenerife last spring.
If we mention Sky/doping then it will all kick off again and before you know it I will be posting Froome attacking on the Ventoux
WBT [ the new king Of BR IMO] will jump on board then get a load of abuse from some of Brailsfords BR family and before you know it Armstrong killed Kennedy.0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:entitled
You're not.
What an odd statement.
That sounds exclusionary.
Exclusionary how?
I can't work this out at all. Does anyone really believe we should have the right to access all information about a case that's still being processed? That Sky should be making statements about it or taking action on it before there's an official conclusion? Or that they're somehow letting us down, or worse, being dodgy, by not doing so?
That goes beyond naive to just plane nutty.
True. I'm sure there are several riders from different teams who've had similar letters and responded to them.
But Sky are different. They put themselves on the pedestal of the clean team with their ZTP.
This story for one reason or another is now public information.
We have a right to know. Pretending it's not happening doesn't get us closer to the truth.
Why can't they just issue a press release or something? Because if JTL is a doper he has no place at Sky.
I jest but if you ban Nutella then you ban JTL, yes?
I believe in openness and transparency. Not much to ask for.0 -
RichN95 wrote:Dear WBT & Stilnox,
You have recently been posting on his forum and that's fine. But if you want to be taken seriously and not as trolls it might be beneficial to post about topics which don't involve Sky and doping. Show that you have some interest in cycling. Look at rayjay. He thinks Sky are doping, but he talks about other stuff so we accept him.
At the moment you are seen as Clinic trolls, which you are.
I've been here since 2008 and have commented on many different topics.
Sky / Walsh / JTL is topic du jour as the book was recently released.
That's not hard to figure out is it?
What say we stick to the topic at hand, JTL.
Enough getting personal.0 -
RonB wrote:I think it was reported that JTL was training with Sky over in Tenerife last spring.
And back training with them now.0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:entitled
You're not.
What an odd statement.
That sounds exclusionary.
Exclusionary how?
I can't work this out at all. Does anyone really believe we should have the right to access all information about a case that's still being processed? That Sky should be making statements about it or taking action on it before there's an official conclusion? Or that they're somehow letting us down, or worse, being dodgy, by not doing so?
That goes beyond naive to just plane nutty.
True. I'm sure there are several riders from different teams who've had similar letters and responded to them.
But Sky are different. They put themselves on the pedestal of the clean team with their ZTP.
This story for one reason or another is now public information.
We have a right to know. Pretending it's not happening doesn't get us closer to the truth.
Why can't they just issue a press release or something? Because if JTL is a doper he has no place at Sky.
I jest but if you ban Nutella then you ban JTL, yes?
I believe in openness and transparency. Not much to ask for.
Sorry, but that's just ridiculous. You have a right to absolutely nothing. Once the process has been followed you will have a right to know exactly what everyone else in the general public has a right to know. This follows some pretty basic principles. Please get over your self-entitlement.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:entitled
You're not.
What an odd statement.
That sounds exclusionary.
Exclusionary how?
I can't work this out at all. Does anyone really believe we should have the right to access all information about a case that's still being processed? That Sky should be making statements about it or taking action on it before there's an official conclusion? Or that they're somehow letting us down, or worse, being dodgy, by not doing so?
That goes beyond naive to just plane nutty.
True. I'm sure there are several riders from different teams who've had similar letters and responded to them.
But Sky are different. They put themselves on the pedestal of the clean team with their ZTP.
This story for one reason or another is now public information.
We have a right to know. Pretending it's not happening doesn't get us closer to the truth.
Why can't they just issue a press release or something? Because if JTL is a doper he has no place at Sky.
I jest but if you ban Nutella then you ban JTL, yes?
I believe in openness and transparency. Not much to ask for.
Sorry, but that's just ridiculous. You have a right to absolutely nothing. Once the process has been followed you will have a right to know exactly what everyone else in the general public has a right to know. This follows some pretty basic principles. Please get over your self-entitlement.
Then Sky need to drop this ZTP business because it's just marketing. And leads to cynicism.
But if they really are on vanguard of anti doping as they say then it will be dealt with publicly.
My belief is we should be more demanding of our cycling teams. If JTL is a doper, then..... you get the picture.
Zero tolerance, right?0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:entitled
You're not.
What an odd statement.
That sounds exclusionary.
Exclusionary how?
I can't work this out at all. Does anyone really believe we should have the right to access all information about a case that's still being processed? That Sky should be making statements about it or taking action on it before there's an official conclusion? Or that they're somehow letting us down, or worse, being dodgy, by not doing so?
That goes beyond naive to just plane nutty.
True. I'm sure there are several riders from different teams who've had similar letters and responded to them.
But Sky are different. They put themselves on the pedestal of the clean team with their ZTP.
This story for one reason or another is now public information.
We have a right to know. Pretending it's not happening doesn't get us closer to the truth.
Why can't they just issue a press release or something? Because if JTL is a doper he has no place at Sky.
I jest but if you ban Nutella then you ban JTL, yes?
I believe in openness and transparency. Not much to ask for.
Quite.
What is it you want Sky to actually tell you over and above what you already know.
The rider is part of an ongoing process, been withdrawn from racing but still training with the team.
That much is available for all to see on their website.
If (or when) JTL is sanctioned then we can see what Sky do next and evaluate their response accordingly.
Unless you believe that the delay is a Cookson/UCI cover up?
Actually, what action do you think Sky should take? Should they fire JTL now?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Just a thought, but since the closure of the Sky book thread, that finished up as a Sky are doping argument, I dont see a Stillnox or WBT post on any other thread other than this one, and this one is about.......JTL a Sky rider who may or may not have doped. coincidence??????0
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TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:TailWindHome wrote:whiteboytrash wrote:entitled
You're not.
What an odd statement.
That sounds exclusionary.
Exclusionary how?
I can't work this out at all. Does anyone really believe we should have the right to access all information about a case that's still being processed? That Sky should be making statements about it or taking action on it before there's an official conclusion? Or that they're somehow letting us down, or worse, being dodgy, by not doing so?
That goes beyond naive to just plane nutty.
True. I'm sure there are several riders from different teams who've had similar letters and responded to them.
But Sky are different. They put themselves on the pedestal of the clean team with their ZTP.
This story for one reason or another is now public information.
We have a right to know. Pretending it's not happening doesn't get us closer to the truth.
Why can't they just issue a press release or something? Because if JTL is a doper he has no place at Sky.
I jest but if you ban Nutella then you ban JTL, yes?
I believe in openness and transparency. Not much to ask for.
Quite.
What is it you want Sky to actually tell you over and above what you already know.
The rider is part of an ongoing process, been withdrawn from racing but still training with the team.
That much is available for all to see on their website.
If (or when) JTL is sanctioned then we can see what Sky do next and evaluate their response accordingly.
Unless you believe that the delay is a Cookson/UCI cover up?
Actually, what action do you think Sky should take? Should they fire JTL now?
I don't subscribe to far fetched conspiracy theories, no. But in cycling anything is possible as we all well know.
All good questions, you put forward.
No I don't think they should fire him. But they should tell us what's going on and where the issue is at. Open doors, ZTP, transparency and all that.
Otherwise it just ends up like Ryder H and countless other doping stories swept under the proverbial carpet. And they were zipped on Leinders, Yates/Motoman etc. and. now JTL then they've learnt nothing and as I state the ZTP is really just TBSP.0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:But they should tell us what's going on and where the issue is at.
The UCI are looking at the evidence and working out if there is a doping violation or not - Did you read the article?
ZTP is irrelevant when there isnt anything to be tolerant of yet.
This is just a whole lot more rubbish again...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Delete - I just can't be arsed arguing anymore.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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TBSP? Tablespoons?0
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No tA Doctor wrote:Delete - I just can't be arsed arguing anymore.
Save your energy, fella. 'Never argue with a fool etc'0 -
The UCI investigate under their code, which affords the rider privacy at this time, then publicly release their decision.
Sky then "act", if necessary, in response to said UCI findings.
Why is their any confusion over this?
I suspect the answer is that there isn't."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:The UCI investigate under their code, which affords the rider privacy at this time, then publicly release their decision.
Sky then "act", if necessary, in response to said UCI findings.
Why is their any confusion over this?
I suspect the answer is that there isn't.
This I agree with, absolutely. 100%.
But. Here we have a ZTP team. The information is already out there. And we here nothing from the team? Yes, nothing.
Not good enough. We wouldn't expect the same of government and there are a lot of questions around Sky and their performances. It should be addressed.
As I said. These things have a way of coming back to bite you later on.
As fans you should be demanding more.0 -
RonB wrote:TBSP? Tablespoons?
Total Bullsh1t Policy.0 -
Richmond Racer wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:Delete - I just can't be arsed arguing anymore.
Save your energy, fella. 'Never argue with a fool etc'
You mean in your case never argue with someone who doesn't agree with you?
Besides it's not a argument. It's a discussion. One of differing views.
Feel free to put your thoughts down if you wish to join in but prefer if your kept your personal comments to yourself.
Not constructive in the slightest.
Agreed?0 -
So what should Sky be doing specifically about this case?
They've tightened up their hiring testing already, but what else?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:So what should Sky be doing specifically about this case?
They've tightened up their hiring testing already, but what else?
Have they?
From Leinders to JTL little appears different.
And that Cioni guy is a doper in hiding is he not?
I've not seen a policy on their website or anywhere else? I actually don't even know what the ZTP entails, do you?0 -
whiteboytrash wrote:Blazing Saddles wrote:The UCI investigate under their code, which affords the rider privacy at this time, then publicly release their decision.
Sky then "act", if necessary, in response to said UCI findings.
Why is their any confusion over this?
I suspect the answer is that there isn't.
This I agree with, absolutely. 100%..
So....what's the argument then?
What specifically should the team do in respect to the ongoing JTL situation?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
If the information is already out there, could you possible supply a link
to the usual UCI press release?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
:roll: Oh FFS, here we go again. :roll:0
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Whatever the lad has done, he surely doesn't deserve the punishment of another Sky training camp?
And given this horrific state of limbo, does anybody still think the leak came from Sky?...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0
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