Dale Farm eviction

smurfylicious

MattC59 wrote:

those two tw*ts who concreted their arms into the oil drum

I've never heard of concrete-arms. I've seen the odd film featuring concrete-boots, if I remember correctly concrete-boots are followed by a trip to a river soon after the concrete set. Is concrete-arms a similar sort of thing?

TuckerUK

Can you all take a step back and try replacing...Traveller with the word jew...or woman or African and re read your comments.

Ah, but one can't become a Jew, a woman, or an African just by buying a caravan, plonking it one someone else's land, and refusing to play by societies rules can one?

Stop playing the race/ethnic minority card, it's overused, unjustified, and frankly a bit childish.

If travellers are an ethnic minority, then so are paedophiles (those that haven't broken any laws).

Tom Butcher

Rick Chasey wrote:

Don't care what experiences people have, it's not an excuse.

Not an excuse for what ?

MattC59

mr_poll wrote:

Can you all take a step back and try replacing the words Gypsy or Traveller with the word jew or gay or woman or African and re read your comments.

The difference being, and this is a bit of a guess, is that Jews, Gays, Women and Africans don't generally ignore the laws that govern the rest of society, aren't anti social, don't make a mess everywhere that they go etc etc etc. To be honest, your comment is fairly insulting to the groups you've mentioned.

I've had the privilege of living near travellers on a number of occasions. The first, when I was younger was near to a static travellers camp. The place was a permanent mess, the local area was a permanent mess, the lanes leading to it became a no go area, for fear of being attacked by the kids and crime in the area went up.
The second occasion of note, travellers moved onto a piece of land for some months and pretty much the same happened. A number of houses in my street were broken into, including my garage. Guess what, my power tools turned up on the travellers site the next day !

It's hardly suprising that they have the reputation that they do.

If travellers want to follow the lifestyle that the do, then that's fine, but they still need to abide by the rules that the rest of us have to. You mention that :

Making people play the rules of society also means that those people have to feel in some way part of society

Not true, the rules of the land apply to all of us, simple as that. The travellers choose to live the life that they do, and in many cases decline permanent housing, which is fine, but again, they have to abide by the same rules as the rest of us. Perhaps if the travellers wanted to feel in some way part of society, then they should make a little more effort not to be so anti social ?

MattC59

Rick Chasey wrote:

ALIHISGREAT wrote:

drummondjhn wrote:

travellers my a**e they have been there for 10year get moving

^ this.

Pretty sure that's a name that's been given to them.

You could all call me "Mr Gay" but that wouldn't necessarily mean I was, or should be, gay.

To be fair Rick, they do often refer to themselves as "The travelling community"

mr_poll

TuckerUK wrote:

Can you all take a step back and try replacing...Traveller with the word jew...or woman or African and re read your comments.

Ah, but one can't become a Jew, a woman, or an African just by buying a caravan, plonking it one someone else's land, and refusing to play by societies rules can one?

Stop playing the race/ethnic minority card, it's overused, unjustified, and frankly a bit childish.

If travellers are an ethnic minority, then so are paedophiles (those that haven't broken any laws).

I am not playing a race/ethnic card I am highlighting that some of the comments here are downright wrong and if someone cannot see that then perhaps they might be able to my changing their language for a more emotive minority group.

But hey ho Tucker you pick me up on PC debate whilst others would like to burn people alive or put men, women and children in a boat and drown them.

smurfylicious

Has anyone else got a Google-ads banner down the side of their page that says:

"Serve Eviction Notice for £9.97"

I thought I heard that Basildon Council had spent £Millions on the eviction, they could have done it for less than a tenner!

thegreatdivide

Right, I'm off to build a velodrome in my back garden...

MattC59

thegreatdivide wrote:

Right, I'm off to build a velodrome in my back garden...

Good move !! When the council come along to knock it down, let me know, I'll concrete myslef into a barrel.

smurfylicious

MattC59 wrote:

thegreatdivide wrote:

Right, I'm off to build a velodrome in my back garden...

Good move !! When the council come along to knock it down, let me know, I'll concrete myslef into a barrel.

I'm gonna get myself pumped into a tubular tyre, and then have the wheel locked to a structural part of the velodrome.

mr_poll

thegreatdivide wrote:

Right, I'm off to build a velodrome in my back garden...

Well if you hang on a few months the planning laws will be relaxed and you'll probably be fine.

thegreatdivide

I might make it into a 'velodisco' so I pi$$ the council and my neghbours off.

RichN95.

thegreatdivide wrote:

Right, I'm off to build a velodrome in my back garden...

To cut down on labour costs, make sure you use homeless people who you can keep locked up in a shed for several years.

Cleat Eastwood

There are only two things I hate in this world. One is racial prejudice and the others bloody chinks.

dilemna

The High Court/CA will eventually find in the local authority's favour as the implications of allowing the "travellers" to remain would set such a huge precedent that the legal bods/ establishment would not allow it.

I don't know why these people are called "travellers" as they always seem to want to stop somewhere and cease "travelling". They do tend to leave one hell of a mess though when they finally move on.

Gazzaputt

Look we're all forgetting these people are honest working, law abiding, tax paying, pillars of society.

Most have left as no pikey wants trouble with the Police or anyone. They want to stay under the radar.

The ones left are older ones and non married ones looking for a few quid. They are still asking for millions to move on!

Cannot wait to see the bulldozers to go in.

Bozman

They're a boil on the face of society -

My mothers scooter was stolen by travellers, a friends motorbike went missing then they set up camp near by, they leave a trail of filth behind, the feral kids cause mayhem at local schools, you get fights in local pubs, they generally don't pay tax, pensioners are left with dodgy drives and landscaping, they use a scrap metal business to steal anything that isn't tied down.
Since the travellers have started collecting scrap metal in the area, manhole covers, childrens bikes and garden items have gone missing, they've been caught down the side of peoples houses looking for "any old iron"................
Need i say anymore.

rick_chasey

MattC59 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

ALIHISGREAT wrote:

drummondjhn wrote:

travellers my a**e they have been there for 10year get moving

^ this.

Pretty sure that's a name that's been given to them.

You could all call me "Mr Gay" but that wouldn't necessarily mean I was, or should be, gay.

To be fair Rick, they do often refer to themselves as "The travelling community"

I know plenty of black rappers who refer to themselves as 'n*****s'...

Comments about their name or race are pointless.

estampida

I had my s3 land rover partially stripped by travellers

okay the Weller steel wheel and tyre could have been stolen by another 4x4 driver (£300- £400)

but the tail light filters, they are £0.60 each and only fit land rovers and caravans.............

all within 48 hours of them turning up at Aberdeen airport

DF33

I see it as far more simple.

Take out any racism or predjudice.

Simply this.

Live in a fixed residence, permanently connected to the mains, water etc. then pay tax, council tax, obey the (often stupid) rules, get to use the local amenities, schools, whatever. = resident.

Live in a mobile home, travel around, stay here and there for a while (say a month or two max at any one time as an arbitrary figure), propane or wood bur ners for heating, water from temp connection etc. then don't pay council tax etc, don't expect all local amenities to be available free, don't conform if you don't want to as no need to = traveller.

Living on one place in a chalet (positioned on blocks) for 10 years using same local amenities throughout that time as in this case = the former, resident like the rest of us. I have no problem with that, just conform then like the rest of us, pay for and get the relevant planning permission like the rest of us, abide by the same rules as the rest of us (and yes we hate them too at times but thats the price of conforming) and get on with it.

Or admit you've had a good run for ten years, screwed the system, saved money and now move on as the travellers they purport to be.

Simples.

Yossie

I must admit that I did love the jeff bags who cemented themselves into the oil drum: not only will have have concrete burns all the way up their arms and have to sit in their own wee and poo because they can't move, but they can't actually do anything. Like eat. Or drink. Or put a jumper on when it gets chilly.

If I were the guys takling everything down I would just work around them while using the top of the drum as a table for thei lunches so that when they were finished there would be a really bizarre Far Side situation of two blokes concreted into a barrel sitting in their own wee and poo in an empty field while its raining ……

Now that's situation comedy you couldn't possibly make up.

estampida

maybe some good old fashioned siege techniques should be used

trebuchet in to the compound some dead animals / corpses and let disease take its course.......

soon they will be fighting to get out

Frank the tank

mr_poll wrote:

I wonder if the moderators will take an interest in this thread.

If I call a fellow poster a naughty name i will be warned or banned. Call an entire ethnic group Scum, thieves, or state that you believe they should be napalmed to death and I wonder what happens?

Can you all take a step back and try replacing the words Gypsy or Traveller with the word jew or gay or woman or African and re read your comments.

Frank the tank wrote:

They don't live by the rule of law, but when it comes to bite them they endevour to hide behind it.

I wouldn't kick them off their land I'd lock all the entrances/exits so the big bad baliffs couldn't get in at the precious little darlings, then I'd napalm the place.

Nice one Frank you just designed a concentration camp for travellers, your talents are wasted in England 2011.

No need to thank me, it's a gift.

wherever these people go they cause disruption,filth,and dis-harmony. I would suggest that they pay nowhere near the amount of taxes they should and flout the law and seem to want to live by their own code, which more often than not is at odds with rhe rest of the community. Leave them where they are as far as I'm concerned, they're nowhere near me.
Before you start calling me racist/homophobic/anti-semitic My son is marrying a Ugandan single parent and I have two nephews that are openly "gay" and I have no problem whatever. You know why,'cos I love 'em they have good work ethic,proper values and are totally law abiding citizens who pay there way and don't bother or intimmidate anyone. I don't know any jews though.
So don't be too ready to cast me as a total bigot. I trust you will be sending Bazildon council a cheque to help pay for the clean up when they are eventually moved on.

Giraffoto

When a deceased leading light of the "Travelling Community" was laid to rest somewhere in Hemel Hempstead a couple of years ago, every pub in town, not just one or two but everyone from the champagne bars to the corpses-on-the-floor establishments announced that they would be closed all day as a mark of respect. That's a lot of respect. . .

MattC59

Giraffoto wrote:

When a deceased leading light of the "Travelling Community" was laid to rest somewhere in Hemel Hempstead a couple of years ago, every pub in town, not just one or two but everyone from the champagne bars to the corpses-on-the-floor establishments announced that they would be closed all day as a mark of respect. That's a lot of respect. . .

Not sure whather you're serious, or whether you mean they all closed through fear of the Pikeys descending en mass and stripping the place of anything of value ?

upperoilcan

Giraffoto wrote:

When a deceased leading light of the "Travelling Community" was laid to rest somewhere in Hemel Hempstead a couple of years ago, every pub in town, not just one or two but everyone from the champagne bars to the corpses-on-the-floor establishments announced that they would be closed all day as a mark of respect. That's a lot of respect. . .

The same thing happened in Marlow a while back,but it wasnt out for respect for the dead Tinker...........It was purely for damage limitation.

As the thought of 500 or so drunk Gypsy's turning up at the pub was somewhat unappealing to the Landlord

MattC59

On a similar note to Giraffoto's comment (I think):

My mother works at Cheltenham General Hospital. A few years ago, one of the 'Matriarchs' of the Gypsy world was seriously ill and ended up in Cheltenham General.

Ignoring the fact that she probably hadn't paid a penny of National Insurance contributions in her life, so as far as I'm concerned isn't entitled to the 'free' NHS care that the rest of us are entitled to:

Within a couple of days, the place was over run with Gypsies who had come from all over the country. They were stealing anything that wasn't nailed down, be it medical supplies, bed linen, food from the canteen or the belongings of other patients. After the first incident, where the hospital security tried to prevent theft and it ended up in the Gypsies kicking off, it was decided that it was better not to confront them. Police were called to limit the number of people surrounding the 'Matriarch'.

The thieving scum, and I think I'm justified in using that term in this case, were even stealing equipment, which they had no use for and which would have no value to them, from the Intensive Treatment Units.

On one occasion, which my mother witnessed, a bunch of Gypsies who were older teens / younger men, broke into a storage container and started dismantelling a multi million £££, piece of mobile imaging equipment. The only possible use for this for the Gypsies, would be the limited amount of scrap metal available in it. In this case, they were caught on CCTV, and I hope prosecuted.

I think Thieving Scum is a fairly polite way of describing them, and to be honest, anyone stealing and damaging vital equipment from a Hospital, when they have no use for it themselves, should expect to feel outcase from society at the least.

Anyone stealing from patients in the hospitals should be subject to all the vitriol and hatred of the living and then subject to the seven layers of hell !

Cleat Eastwood

Someone on that site must have grown a really bad batch of Lucky Heather.

Pross

Maybe they could all chip in and buy a deserted island (perhaps the Government could sell them one for £1). They could then build and do whatever they liked and live a completely free lifestyle away from interferring people who want to live by laws.

As many have said, it isn't a race issue (are they even a race?) or ethnic cleansing but an enforcement of the laws of the country they have chosen to live in that applies to all others in that country. There is no discrimination in the legal decision to evict them and demolish the site, I would expect exactly the same if a bunch of middle class, middle Englanders built themselves a new executive housing estate without consent. If any court upholds their appeals then there is an alarming precedent being set and anyone else building without consent could argue discrimination or a breach of human rights.

DF33

Am I right here that the council is to restore the area to it's original condition prior to occupation ie grassland, then the travellers are free to return to the land?

If so is the council footing the bill for the rectification?

If they are, how does that sit with a house owner breaching planning, refusing to demolish, having the council enforce and do the demolition and charging the account to the householder as happens in all other cases?