Vuelta Stage 15 **Spoiler**
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That's a real shame for him, he's been good value.Blazing Saddles wrote:In case anyone around here is remotely interested.
A sick Fredrik Kessiakoff made it home 21.45 down with a couple of team mates. Drops from 3rd, to 6th, to 26th overall, after two days of stomach problems.0 -
Has anyone read any quotes from Nibali on todays action?0
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Is there no time trial on the penultimate stage as is normal on grand tours?0
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They told the telegraph two years ago that he was a future GC contender, so they haven't really "found" anything. They have just been proved right, to everyone else in the world's surprise.skavanagh.bikeradar wrote:Froome is riding out of his skin and will sky try and keep him on this evidence? Perhaps they've found another British GT hopeful right on their doorstep.
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Mmm. Froome lost 27 seconds to the Wiggins/Cobo/Mollema main favorites group on La Manzaneda after pulling on the front in headwind on that climb...
On the other hand, even though Sky messed up the TTT, Geox was even slower....
Tuesday is for the sprinters and Wednesday another steep each for themselves climb, but if it still is like now after that Sky are in a unique GC position to do something interesting on those tricky Basque stages0 -
I haven't read a lot of this thread but I don't think anyone can question Cobo without looking at Froome as he hasn't exactly got a great GT pedigree. Both Sky riders looked over geared compared to Cobo but I think Sky made a tactical error yesterday and perhaps on the MTF stages) and should possibly have used Froome attack to protect the lead but that's easy to say from the comfort of the sofa. Can't see Wiggins getting the time back but him and Froome need to attack now unless Sky decide 2nd and 3rd is better than losing a podium place. Then again I didn't think they'd shed Nibs by their high tempo riding on the 'gentler' climbs and got that wrong.0
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Best hope for Sky is for Frome to attack as he has a better attack than WIggo who just sort of rides tempo and rides away,then if Frome puuled back Wiggo can try, I dont think it it cut and dried yet and you never know how Cobo will recover.
He did great ride but did not reaaly show this form in earlier stages. Everyone looked cooked today so interesting to see how it pans out.0 -
I don't think any of us really know what's going to happen. Wiggins has been fantastic on every MTF, including today, and has ended up well clear of everyone that we would have expected to be his rivals for GC, despite losing a lot of time through no fault of his own in the TTT right at the start. By just about any measure he's doing better than people expected and yet somehow he's only third. I don't think anyone thought Cobo was going to be leading the race and I'm sure no one was expecting Froome to be sitting in second, especially off the back of beating Wiggins and getting second place in the time trial.0
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It's ironic that Wiggins worst performance so far was probably the TT. From his position going into that I think most would have expected him to have had far more time in hand going back into the mountains. If Cobo does win I hope it is by more than the 42s he has got in bonuses. I don't mind a stage winner getting a few seconds but 20 is too much and there shouldn't be anything for other placings.0
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I don't like time bonuses either, but their presence has led other teams to work. Without bonuises, sky would've been left in control a lot more and potentially left Wiggins & Froome more isolated0
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i'd rather it was won on bonuses for winning stages than the joke bonuses for intermediate sprints. i expect the sky boys to lose time on the stage with a steep ramp up to the finish f its similar to the two stages rodriguez won"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0
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What's the problem with the bonuses?
Sky could of taken them, but they didn't. That's their problem.
I am enjoying following this vuelta a lot, very interesting race
Would like to see Wiggins win. Hopefully team sky can pull this off. I have the suspicon that the main reason Cobo got so much time was bad gearing on the sky boys bikes, still, anything can turn into a marginal loss.
Look at the way Wiggins goes all over the road at one point. I'm sorry, that's not because the climb is "hard" but because the gears are wrong. That is the only time I ever see that happen to a rider. Should of taken a triple.The British Empire never died, it just moved to the Velodrome0 -
Nah, people are so keen on top 15 GC placings that those teams work on the front of the peloton. It's easy to say "blah blah we'll make sky work" when you are 5th on GC, but when the breakaway riders starts threatening your place, your team mates soon find themselves on the front of the bunch.Choppered wrote:I don't like time bonuses either, but their presence has led other teams to work. Without bonuises, sky would've been left in control a lot more and potentially left Wiggins & Froome more isolated0 -
The problem I have with time bonuses in a GT (or any stage race) is that the winner of the race should be the one who takes the least time overall and stage wins shouldn't be relevant to that. The Tdf has wisely got rid of them. Today we saw the second place bonus being hoovered up by riders who had sucked Froome and Wiggins wheels. OK Menchov had good reason to go for them but they weren't a reward for aggressive riding. Intermediate bonuses are even worse!0
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It's nothing like the stages rodriguez won. The "steep ramp" to the finish is 6km long. It does have some steep sections towards the top, but it's not really like any stage so far.gsk82 wrote:i'd rather it was won on bonuses for winning stages than the joke bonuses for intermediate sprints. i expect the sky boys to lose time on the stage with a steep ramp up to the finish f its similar to the two stages rodriguez won
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fastercyclist wrote:What's the problem with the bonuses?
Sky could have taken them, but they didn't. That's their problem.
I am enjoying following this vuelta a lot, very interesting race
Would like to see Wiggins win. Hopefully team sky can pull this off. I have the suspicon that the main reason Cobo got so much time was bad gearing on the sky boys bikes, still, anything can turn into a marginal loss.
Look at the way Wiggins goes all over the road at one point. I'm sorry, that's not because the climb is "hard" but because the gears are wrong. That is the only time I ever see that happen to a rider. should have taken a triple.
I dont think it was anything to do with the gearing, it is just that Wiggo was in the red for too long and eventually cracked, there were quite a few this happened to were they all on the "wrong" gears? Once your in the red it does not matter what hear your on you will not be able to push it. Looke like they were all ona compact, Cobo had one and also what looked to be about 27 to 29 rear sprocket. Interesting to know if anyone has the gears they actually used.
I dont like time bonuses either, whats the point of having a points category, thats what that is for, rewarding wins and sprints.0 -
RichN95 wrote:SpaceJunk wrote:FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.
No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.
Personally, I think Froome is the moral victor (or leader, anyway) because Cobo's only in the lead as has got 40s from time bonuses, which I fundamentally disagree with.
So Cobo took the bonuses? was he the only one alowed to do so then? Sorry rich but i disagree with this judgement, its more astute tactical riding than anything, Froome / Wiggins et al could just have easily took the time bonuses, no?0 -
C'mon, Wiggins would have had to have done something really out of ordinary to still be in the lead after the Angrilu.
It's to be expected!
Horses for courses.
Doesn't take away from his ride.0 -
EPIC FAIL by sky.. what a waste of time...
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Great post, and your point is ?Doobz wrote:EPIC FAIL by sky.. what a waste of time...0 -
Doobz wrote:EPIC FAIL by sky.. what a waste of time...
Epic win by Sky in my book. Second and Third in a GT would be amazing at this stage in the sky set-up. Only fail was possibly Wiggins TT, had he pulled something better out of the bag there, he would probably still be in red.0 -
Wiggins looked to have fried himself trying to keep pace with Martins time which caught up with him. While Froome paces himself extremly well. If Froome and Wiggins stay in the top 3 by the end of hte tour I cant see how anyone can say Sky had a bat Veulta. I like the fishing though :P
I got a kick out of the Aussie dude refusing to call Froome British instead refering him as "Kenyan born Froome" everytime :P0 -
rebs wrote:
I got a kick out of the Aussie dude refusing to call Froome British instead refering him as "Kenyan born Froome" everytime :P
Seeing how he is employed to do commentary for the English speaking world, including Africa, he is just doing his job.-- Dirk Hofman Motorhomes --0 -
By that definition I can't help but feel the need to say "Belgium born Wiggins" into the mix :P0
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Wiggins did much of his growing up in Britan. Froome grew up in Africa.-- Dirk Hofman Motorhomes --0
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RichN95 wrote:Doobz wrote:EPIC FAIL by sky.. what a waste of time...
Before this Vuelta had started, what would you have considered a good result for Sky?
true.. was not even expecting any sky rider in the top 10..
Re the other posts.. You don't let someone like cobo or anyone so close on GC just ride up the road ffs..0 -
By george Doobz I think you've nailed it.....when leading a race don't let a arival go off up the road-anybody got Brailsfords number? I bet he hadn't thought of that one!
Seeing Cobo go up the road on the Angliru is hardly like letting him have a minute on a flat stage is it-even if they told Froome to hold Cobo's wheel when he attacked, there was only so long he could've stayed with him-Brad would have had to do all the pulling in the second group, and eventually, as happened, one too many 20%+ ramps did for Wiggo. At that point though it really is ever man for himself too.0 -
Tom BB wrote:By george Doobz I think you've nailed it.....when leading a race don't let a arival go off up the road-anybody got Brailsfords number? I bet he hadn't thought of that one!
Seeing Cobo go up the road on the Angliru is hardly like letting him have a minute on a flat stage is it-even if they told Froome to hold Cobo's wheel when he attacked, there was only so long he could've stayed with him-Brad would have had to do all the pulling in the second group, and eventually, as happened, one too many 20%+ ramps did for Wiggo. At that point though it really is ever man for himself too.
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