Vuelta Stage 15 **Spoiler**

SpaceJunk

FJS wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

FJS wrote:

Sporza commentators are pretty uncomfortable with Cobo's resurrection... apparently Cobo's a trained chef, leading to jokes about ingredients and such...
Have to agree he comes back from a ban a bit too good...

He's never been banned, has he?

Crap, no you're right. He wanted to quit cycling, thought that was after a ban last year, but no. Well, he was part of Saunier Duval...

Yeah, just like wiggins when he rode for cofidis and the team got expelled from the TdF because of a +ve.

Everyone is guilty by association in the pro ranks.

dodgy

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

Calm down dear, you're the one that's whinging right now.

RichN95.

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

Personally, I think Froome is the moral victor (or leader, anyway) because Cobo's only in the lead as has got 40s from time bonuses, which I fundamentally disagree with.

fast as fupp

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

just like the term 'convict' was for australians

Anonymous

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

Someone from the "greatest country in the world", who have recently been shown to be ridiculously big whingers, whingeing about "whinging poms"? You couldn't make it up.

The great Australian delusion.

tailwindhome

Any wonder Geox are leading.....my kid's shoes are a ridiculous price.

SpaceJunk

fast as fupp wrote:

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

just like the term 'convict' was for australians

Certainly is. Unless you're indigenous like I am. But let's not go down that path I this forum.

jonginge

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

meh.

I'm partisan, sure, but to have a couple of brits* with a shout of winning a grand tour is unprecedented. So Wiggins got dropped by a rider who had focussed on the vuelta. Fair play to him. Still an amazing vuelta for Froome and Wiggins


* insert joke here

Gazzetta67

SpaceJunk wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

just like the term 'convict' was for australians

Certainly is. Unless you're indigenous like I am. But let's not go down that path I this forum.

I am Scottish so what does that make me supporting Wiggins ?

fast as fupp

SpaceJunk wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

SpaceJunk wrote:

FFS - Wiggins gets dropped, and this forum goes nuts. Cobo's a drug cheat. The motorcycle held Wiggins up. Poor Brad is the moral victor - he's coming back from injury you know. Blah, blah, blah.

No wonder the phrase whinging pom was coined to describe the English.

just like the term 'convict' was for australians

Certainly is. Unless you're indigenous like I am. But let's not go down that path I this forum.

haha! aboriginal* folk are obviously excluded!


*is that the right term these days?

samb01

Milton50 wrote:

I agree about how suspicious Cobo's form is but is it any more suspicious than Froome's?

At this point I have no opinion on Froome one way or the other. I might form one based on future events.

With Cobo there is more data to go on and an opinion is more easily formed.

Anonymous

Great ride by Cobo, I hope he's clean.

Great ride by Froome, I hope he's clean.

Great ride by Wiggins, I'm fairly sure he's clean.

Sh*t ride by the man on the camera bike.

Sh*t planning to have no contingency, leaving only 1 moto camera on the key stage.

Sh*t fans, getting too close and causing motos to avoid them, then impacting riders.

blazing_saddles

In case anyone around here is remotely interested.
A sick Fredrik Kessiakoff made it home 21.45 down with a couple of team mates. Drops from 3rd, to 6th, to 26th overall, after two days of stomach problems.

zammmmo

fast as fupp wrote:

Cobo looked quite fresh at the end- perhaps too fresh?

I thought that until the first guy (sorry don't know the name of the rider) in the chase group came over the line - he didn't look that tired either, just a bit annoyed. Last 1KM was much flatter so maybe a little recovery time?

hammerite

Blazing Saddles wrote:

In case anyone around here is remotely interested.
A sick Fredrik Kessiakoff made it home 21.45 down with a couple of team mates. Drops from 3rd, to 6th, to 26th overall, after two days of stomach problems.

I'm interested. He's out of my fantasy cycling league team now Poor lad, hope he recovers ok.

zammmmo

Choppered wrote:

Sh*t fans, getting too close and causing motos to avoid them, then impacting riders.

That was always going to be the case though - should've and could've been planned for. I did think maybe Froome was in front of Wiggins to help protect him a little (especially since Wiggins is likely to be riled).

LangerDan

Good ole' Menchov. Last week of a GT and he hops from 17th to 11th to 6th in two stages. Pity he'll be on babysitting duty for Cobo for the next week.

jonginge

Blazing Saddles wrote:

In case anyone around here is remotely interested.
A sick Fredrik Kessiakoff made it home 21.45 down with a couple of team mates. Drops from 3rd, to 6th, to 26th overall, after two days of stomach problems.

That's a shame. Was looking dangerous before the weekend. Is it his first GT?

josame

Sad to say but it brings to mind Lennon saying that Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the band :oops:

jerkstore

the top guys in the peloton reduced to jelly at the finish,cobo looked like he had rode the tour of norfolk with a tailwind on his back.mmmmmmmm!!!!!!

No_Ta_Doctor

Did watch it with the phrase "breathing through his skin" in the back of my mind...

No_Ta_Doctor

@bradwiggins Bradley Wiggins

Well Cobo was just too strong today, congrats to him. Thought my race was over with mechanical on the last decent but managed to come back

Gazzaputt

Cobo wasn't just to strong he was super human.

secretsqirrel

Blazing Saddles wrote:

In case anyone around here is remotely interested.
A sick Fredrik Kessiakoff made it home 21.45 down with a couple of team mates. Drops from 3rd, to 6th, to 26th overall, after two days of stomach problems.

Thanks Blaze
I had high hopes for Freddy K

iainf72

Gazzaputt wrote:

Cobo wasn't just to strong he was super human.

Yeah, putting 48s into Froome, Poels and Mechov is super human.

Isn't that the tightest times there have ever been on that climb, between first and second?

verylonglegs

Have to agree with SpaceJunk about some of the sentiment on here, seems an over-reaction to Wiggins losing time. To play devil's advocate you could also say Wiggins is a track pursuit champion suddenly within a sniff of a GT win could you not?

You've got to take what you are seeing at face value or you are wasting your time watching any of it.

jonginge

iainf72 wrote:

Gazzaputt wrote:

Cobo wasn't just to strong he was super human.

Yeah, putting 48s into Froome, Poels and Mechov is super human.

Isn't that the tightest times there have ever been on that climb, between first and second?

42s last time out:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/vuelta ... 13/results

I'm guessing that due to the nature of the beast very few winners attack from further out than halfway up the climb. AC attacked with only 3.5km to go

iainf72

I did check afterwards and you're right. But the victories in 2002 and 2000 were by minutes.

skavanagh.bikeradar

It's a shame, but you have to say hats off to Cobo and two hats off to Wiggins for sticking with it and finishing so high up on such a hard mountain. Froome is riding out of his skin and will sky try and keep him on this evidence? Perhaps they've found another British GT hopeful right on their doorstep. It's not over yet, but it's unlikely that Wiggins can do anything about Cobo, but perhaps Sky can nibble away at his lead with the right tactics?

It has been brilliant watching Wiggins and Froome climbing so well, forcing the pace and sticking their necks out for a GT win. More of this please.

Hopefully Wiggins and Sky have learned a lot from this race and it will stand them in good stead next year. Without the TTT cockup and without the bonus seconds at the finishes (which I cannot stand, and was so glad when the TdF dropped it) it could have been.................................well it wasn't so hey.

blazing_saddles

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