Cadel Evans ... Ferrari Link
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Mouth wrote:People seem to have overlooked the the advances in sports science over the last few years. Who'd heard of interval training ten years ago? It possible now for the experts to be able to predict exactly when an athlete will 'peak' and at what wattage they are recovering and riding below the point they need to to stay competitive.
Technology: In the last 20 years i'd guess the weight of a TdF bike has halved or at least gone down by a third.
Recovery/personal surroundings: The benefits of massage have been realised in the last few years, and we all understand that proper sleep in a proper and familiar bed will make a world of difference. Many athletes and sportsmen literally transport a bed with them rather than sleeping on some shitty travelodge flea pit. Don't overlook these things and become the accuser rather than just giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I know that cyclings reasonably recent history is flawed and cast with aspersions but surely the current crop deserve a chance to prove themselves and that they are clean.
One competitor this year tested for what can be used as a masking agent and wasn't even suspended, His team withdrew him voluntarily.
Jerry, since you are a cyclist, I put it to you that you must be doping along with the rest of your club, and everybody else on this forum. You know what, today I did my longest ride, almost doubling my previous best. Damn, I must call my 'pharmacist' and re-stock.........
With respect, in the mid-1970's, when I was a poor but aspiring tt rider, we had interval training, even it was sometimes a bit notional and not very scientific. I am sure it was in some of the training books written in the 1960's. Of course for a lot of amateurs interval training consisted of sprinting for the backs of lorries (lorries were slow enough to catch in those days) but the principals were known.
A clubmate in my touring club is also an FFC commissaire who was in dope testing. He assures me that there is a lot of doping, even in cyclosportives where there is strictly nothing worth winning that much. Some people always get carried away.0 -
Sorry, your attempt to sound plausible makes you even more laughable. 'Gullible' comes to mind..?
re. altitude training:jerry3571 wrote:Also, also with this power increase, if you take away the air resistance by going up a mountain then this power increase would bring greater advantages.
Less air resistance equals less workout. Thus you have to train even harder than at sea level. I'll also mention 'gravity' and 'hypoxic air' at this stage, but I'm suspicious you're not aware of the physical and physiological consequences to warrant further discussion.jerry3571 wrote:....and seen the great increase in power by myself and my mate who was an elite rider who did a lot of Premier calendar racing.
It's called acclimatisation: of course your performance would have increased over 10 days if you hadn't succumbed to altitude sickness... However, 7 days later the effects on your performance at sea level of having trained at altitude would have been ZERO. Your money (I hope not quite the millions you're talking about!) would have been better spent on those new wheels you always wanted to get yourself.
Finally, there's no additive effect of altitude training and an 'EPO micro-dosing' regime. One's merely an excuse for the other.0 -
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/like-va ... rains-high
3 weeks is ideal for altitude training as shown in the article above. If any of you riders fancy staying at Hotel Mont Blanc in the centre of the resort then let me know as that one was the hotel I was supposed to book at the time. Also, train low when at high altitude as an Olympic coach told me once (I worked at a GPs surgery and we had a chat about it as he was a Doc there).
Ok kiddies; if you actually try these things I have said then let me know how you get on. If you are so unconvinced then try,before your big event of the year, to donate a pint of blood a few days before your big day and then see how your event goes. Let us all know; in BIG LETTERS.
British Olympic runners live at Font Romeau in France (very nice town) with Paula Radcliffe so I wonder why they may have emmigrated; Paula ain't too bad at the running so some hae said; wonder why?
On the Homeo/EPO thing- EPO is a hugely effective drug invented for massive blood loss from serious life threatening injury and it's medical use is inchallenged. Microdosing with this powerful drug is an effective way to improve preformance substantially.
By bringing Micordosing in to the same league as Homeopathy is a Numpty arguement as you well know as Homeopathy is proven B*llsh1t. Comparing a killer drug, EPO, to f@cking salts is about a dumb an arguement as you can get so can you drop that one as the arguement makes no sense; I've heard that one before too so no more please.
I find it absolutely amazing that we all think Cadel is a great Lad even though his staff has been busted with 195 doses of EPO. Well, I wonder who was going to use the EPO??? It's the Staff for recreational use. :evil: Do people think that EPO is like Hash or taking an aspirin? It's a killer drug and if it didn't work then why potentially kill yourself by taking it?
Why have so many athletes died; it's because it works and makes them famous and earn lots of money!! The altitude is the icing on the cake as Cadel has shown.
The Local rider with the altitude Tent and was a in either from the Bournemouth Jubilee or Arrow club. My mate passed the story on about this and he used to ride a 20 minute "10" so presumed he knew who was doing what but that was what was said to me. I don't know for sure.
If you don't agree without doing it then that's up to you. I think it's being like a "sex expert" without ever getting out of puberty.
-Jerry
PS- Sorry to not posting sooner as I was looking after my Nephew who has medical issues; some of us have lives to live also.“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
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jerry3571 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/like-valverde-evans-trains-high
3 weeks is ideal for altitude training as shown in the article above. If any of you riders fancy staying at Hotel Mont Blanc in the centre of the resort then let me know as that one was the hotel I was supposed to book at the time. Also, train low when at high altitude as an Olympic coach told me once (I worked at a GPs surgery and we had a chat about it as he was a Doc there).
Ok kiddies; if you actually try these things I have said then let me know how you get on. If you are so unconvinced then try,before your big event of the year, to donate a pint of blood a few days before your big day and then see how your event goes. Let us all know; in BIG LETTERS.
British Olympic runners live at Font Romeau in France (very nice town) with Paula Radcliffe so I wonder why they may have emmigrated; Paula ain't too bad at the running so some hae said; wonder why?
On the Homeo/EPO thing- EPO is a hugely effective drug invented for massive blood loss from serious life threatening injury and it's medical use is inchallenged. Microdosing with this powerful drug is an effective way to improve preformance substantially.
By bringing Micordosing in to the same league as Homeopathy is a Numpty arguement as you well know as Homeopathy is proven B*llsh1t. Comparing a killer drug, EPO, to f@cking salts is about a dumb an arguement as you can get so can you drop that one as the arguement makes no sense; I've heard that one before too so no more please.
I find it absolutely amazing that we all think Cadel is a great Lad even though his staff has been busted with 195 doses of EPO. Well, I wonder who was going to use the EPO??? It's the Staff for recreational use. :evil: Do people think that EPO is like Hash or taking an aspirin? It's a killer drug and if it didn't work then why potentially kill yourself by taking it?
Why have so many athletes died; it's because it works and makes them famous and earn lots of money!! The altitude is the icing on the cake as Cadel has shown.
The Local rider with the altitude Tent and was a in either from the Bournemouth Jubilee or Arrow club. My mate passed the story on about this and he used to ride a 20 minute "10" so presumed he knew who was doing what but that was what was said to me. I don't know for sure.
If you don't agree without doing it then that's up to you. I think it's being like a "sex expert" without ever getting out of puberty.
-Jerry
PS- Sorry to not posting sooner as I was looking after my Nephew who has medical issues; some of us have lives to live also.
I need the 68% explained to me. How was this number arrived at? Who did this testing?
Where is the peer review of this 68% figure? Where is all this published? :? :?0 -
Maybe 68% was his Hct after all that "altitude". Sounds like more making stuff up rather than "looking around for the facts".0
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I wish I had a life to live, it would make my opinion much more valid.0
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Roughly-
average speed of 25mph = average of 280 watts which would be needed to do a 25 mile TT in an hour.
average speed of 28mph = average of 440 watts which would be needed to do a 25 mile TT in 52 minutes.
Work out the percentage if you like.
Info from here- http://bikecalculator.com/index.html
I have not followed this chap and have only seen him a few times when riding training races and he crashed out the last time I saw him. I can't testify 100% but it is something that a mate has said to me. The machine was said to have cost him £7000.
If you want to test out altitude then Sierra Nevada is a way to get a PB if you're in good shape. Fly to Malaga, get a room at one of the Hotels in summer, then train on the roads around Granada. Two things to watch out for is that we almost got hypothermia from riding the highest road in europe. A photo I took at the top; the Veleta.
Also watch out for a pack of dogs like this as they are Mountain sheepdogs and are very protective towards thier Goats; hear the bells on the Goats and then get the hell out of there; they come in packs of 5-6 and are the size of a St.Bernard and are quite angry dogs; the Rabies jabs weren't too bad though. -
Also I am not a Bio Chemist or a Bio Chemical Engineer.
-Jerry“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
-Jacques Anquetil0 -
jerry3571 wrote:Roughly-
average speed of 25mph = average of 280 watts which would be needed to do a 25 mile TT in an hour.
average speed of 28mph = average of 440 watts which would be needed to do a 25 mile TT in 52 minutes.
Work out the percentage if you like.
Info from here- http://bikecalculator.com/index.html
I have not followed this chap and have only seen him a few times when riding training races and he crashed out the last time I saw him. I can't testify 100% but it is something that a mate has said to me. The machine was said to have cost him £7000.
If you want to test out altitude then Sierra Nevada is a way to get a PB if you're in good shape. Fly to Malaga, get a room at one of the Hotels in summer, then train on the roads around Granada. Two things to watch out for is that we almost got hypothermia from riding the highest road in europe. A photo I took at the top; the Veleta.
Also watch out for a pack of dogs like this as they are Mountain sheepdogs and are very protective towards thier Goats; hear the bells on the Goats and then get the hell out of there; they come in packs of 5-6 and are the size of a St.Bernard and are quite angry dogs; the Rabies jabs weren't too bad though. -
Also I am not a Bio Chemist or a Bio Chemical Engineer.
-Jerry
Do you actually believe that he increased his power by 68% just from using an oxygen tent? Really?
Does that mean that if you take a Pro that's been training at altitude and/or using an oxygen tent and make them train only at sea level for a while then their FTP would drop by around 68%? So they'd go from winning stages on the TDF to being mid-pack in a 2nd/3rd/4th Cat race.
Are you really that stoopid?More problems but still living....0 -
jerry3571 wrote:I find it absolutely amazing that we all think Cadel is a great Lad even though his staff has been busted with 195 doses of EPO. Well, I wonder who was going to use the EPO???
The seizure occured in 2009. Cadel Evans only joined BMC in 2010. The soigneur in question is a part-timer who could have been selling dope to anyone. Now obviously this doesn't look good on BMC, and some names on this team do sound a little funny when we talk about doping issues: John "didn't know" Lelangue, Alessandro "Mantova" Ballan... And obviously I'm under no illusions that we still have a long way to go to change the attitudes of the pro peloton towards banned pharmaceuticals. Suspicion will always be present and skepticism has become a fundamental norm in pro cycling.
Still at the end of the day, there is not the slightest evidence that there is an organized team doping operation going on at BMC. Otherwise, French papers like Le Monde or Le Figaro would be having a field day right now, especially since Evans beat the local hero...
And to this day, doping-wise, not one allegation, not one investigation has ever involved Cadel Evans.0 -
jerry3571 wrote:British Olympic runners live at Font Romeau in France (very nice town) with Paula Radcliffe so I wonder why they may have emmigrated; Paula ain't too bad at the running so some hae said; wonder why?
And Mo Farah lives at low altitude in Oregon. He's a fairly handy runner too. There's a bit more to it than just sleeping at altitude.
Personally I hope Cadel is clean (and Pip) but I've been following cycling too long to be my house on anyone.0 -
What does altitude training have to do with doping and Cadel Evans?0
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Jerry Re: Giving Blood. I've done this plenty of times.
Most times I can train that same night - a couple of times I've really suffered - its felt like my throat wasn't wide enough to get enough air in.
I've also raced a 10k (running - but you get my drift) and I was about 2 minutes slower than I'd have expected - based on where runners I knew where in the race. SO ITS NOT A MASSIVE EFFECT. (there- you wanted the big letters).
Also didn't Chris Boardman make an oxygen tent in his spare room ? He wasn't convinced and so didn't stick with it. That's a pity cos if he'd have improved 68% then he'd have won all three Grand Tours and the Worlds in the same year. Foolish boy.0 -
I have given blood over decades.
If you donate in the late afternoon, or early evening, then drink alcohol, you get drunk quicker, it's cheaper and you don't have a hangover the next day.
I'll get my rain jacket.0 -
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Ah thinly veiled and tenuous Vaughters post. My favourite kind. Meanwhile, hide the fact for the best part of a decade that your top riders have been dopers.
I'm not going to be blinkered and claim Evans is clean, but would need something more than an insinuation from someone with less credibility than your favourite, Dave Brailsford, to sway me from the current "leave it be" position.0 -
This weasly habit of JV to drop this shoot on social media is bs. MTFU.0
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Vaughters is the biggest hypocrite in cycling. Has he even admitted properly (i.e. not speaking in riddles) to his own doping yet? It is a small pleasure seeing his team be consistently awful these days.0
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It deflects how woefully terrible his team is these days (now that he can't rely on unpunished dopers). Nearly two years since their last win at World Tour level. He's just repeating rumour - he won't have heard this himself.Richmond Racer 2 wrote:This weasly habit of JV to drop this shoot on social media is bs. MTFU.
It's like Argentine Presidents banging on about Las Malvinas ever time the economy is in the toilet.Twitter: @RichN950 -
He's a sneaky little fellow with friends in the cycling media. Remember how Lowe was basically Landis according to cn when those two were slugging it out over white's dodgy doctor recommendation...0
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Matt White must look back on that now as the best decision he ever made.wombly knees wrote:He's a sneaky little fellow with friends in the cycling media. Remember how Lowe was basically Landis according to cn when those two were slugging it out over white's dodgy doctor recommendation...Twitter: @RichN950 -
Guess I said something to piss JV off in the past then:
'You are blocked from following @Vaughters and viewing @Vaughters's Tweets.'Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
But in Vaughters land and among his acolytes not winning anything equates to being the only clean team as we all know winners are dopers.0
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I actually like some of the Cannondale riders - while it's funny seeing Vaughters look stupid I wouldn't wish that none of the riders ever win again and therefore lose their jobs...0
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bobmcstuff wrote:I actually like some of the Cannondale riders - while it's funny seeing Vaughters look stupid I wouldn't wish that none of the riders ever win again and therefore lose their jobs...
I have a lot of time for quite a few of their riders, and their sports directors. But their recruitment policy needs reviewing, as they have a plethora of riders who get placings rather than wins and not a single consistent rider who can guarantee you 5-10 wins a season.0
