Cavendish to Sky
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Renshaw signed for 2 years with HTC in 2010. At the time, I figured it was a classy move to keep Cav another year, but if HTC can't find another sponsor, or move down a level, would these contracts still be binding?0
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Tusher wrote:Renshaw signed for 2 years with HTC in 2010. At the time, I figured it was a classy move to keep Cav another year, but if HTC can't find another sponsor, or move down a level, would these contracts still be binding?
Yes, unless there's some specific exit clause. The question is whether Bob S would want to keep him (and Eisel) or take a pay-off from Sky and get someone cheaper.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Tusher wrote:Renshaw signed for 2 years with HTC in 2010. At the time, I figured it was a classy move to keep Cav another year, but if HTC can't find another sponsor, or move down a level, would these contracts still be binding?
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At first I thought great to have a well funded British team, BUT
every time I look at a Murdoch paper in my native Australia I see
a relentless, high profile campaign of reckless lies and distortion on climate
change i.e. saying it is all a scam. Day after day after day. I absolutely loathe
the man. Some issues are more important than bike races.0 -
Not arsed about climate change. Infact I care more about bike races to be honest. As for the whole Murdoch thing, everyone knows he's a c-word, doesn't stop people paying for sky telly, buying his papers etc etc.0
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So Cavendish always said he would be in the team which gave him the best possibility of winning, the best team in the World.
So we can conclude that this is the best team in the World for a sprinter.
Here's hoping it works out. Be good to get some photos of him in different kit.
I wonder how his teammates will be like in the Tour and how they feel generally. Could be nonchalance, happiness, saddness, anger, relief, who knows.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:So Cavendish always said he would be in the team which gave him the best possibility of winning, the best team in the World.
So we can conclude that this is the best team in the World for a sprinter.
Here's hoping it works out. Be good to get some photos of him in different kit.
I wonder how his teammates will be like in the Tour and how they feel generally. Could be nonchalance, happiness, saddness, anger, relief, who knows.
His team mates will ride to the best of their ability as well they ought to. They only get a share of the winnings if they win something.0 -
LangerDan wrote:RichN95 wrote:Now if Cav brings his three mates with him, as is rumoured, then Sky line up for the Tour 2012 could be: Wiggns, Cav, Uran, Henao, Renshaw, Siutsou, Eisel, Thomas and EBH. That's a mighty strong team with all bases covered.
A Briton, a Manxman, two Columbians, an Australian, a Belorussian, an Austrian, a Welshman and a Norwegian walk into a bar......
When did the Welsh cease to be Brits ;-)
I can't believe people are suggesting Tony Martin is a better GC contender than Wiggins. He needs to lose a lot of weight if he's ever going to be a contender.0 -
Pross wrote:LangerDan wrote:RichN95 wrote:Now if Cav brings his three mates with him, as is rumoured, then Sky line up for the Tour 2012 could be: Wiggns, Cav, Uran, Henao, Renshaw, Siutsou, Eisel, Thomas and EBH. That's a mighty strong team with all bases covered.
A Briton, a Manxman, two Columbians, an Australian, a Belorussian, an Austrian, a Welshman and a Norwegian walk into a bar......
When did the Welsh cease to be Brits ;-)
I can't believe people are suggesting Tony Martin is a better GC contender than Wiggins. He needs to lose a lot of weight if he's ever going to be a contender.
Dean Martin has a better chance of winning the Tour than Tony Curtis 8)0 -
altyteacher wrote:I think many of you are talking about the wrong Martin - Dan Martin to SKY for 2012, 2013 at the latest - nearest chance of a Grand Tour GC winner within SKY's 5 years tbh.
I would have thought that Uran and Henao are just as good, if not better, prospects for a SKY GT victory in the next few years.0 -
Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.0 -
Like who?LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.0 -
@Leicester Lad there are no Brits in a position or with the abiity to win a GT anyway, not for the next few years at the very least.0
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Milton50 wrote:altyteacher wrote:I think many of you are talking about the wrong Martin - Dan Martin to SKY for 2012, 2013 at the latest - nearest chance of a Grand Tour GC winner within SKY's 5 years tbh.
I would have thought that Uran and Henao are just as good, if not better, prospects for a SKY GT victory in the next few years.
Was about to ask who on earth Henao is - Kennaugh?! If so, maybe a bit optimistic but then Dan Martin equally so. I actually think Wiggo is still our best bet for a home GT win. A favourable Vuelta parcours and 100% commitment to that race could see him through, but doubt it will ever happen.0 -
Ilovebighills wrote:@Leicester Lad there are no Brits in a position or with the abiity to win a GT anyway, not for the next few years at the very least.
Of course we sane folk on this forum know that, just don't tell any of the Wiggo fanboys! 0 -
Ilovebighills wrote:@Leicester Lad there are no Brits in a position or with the abiity to win a GT anyway, not for the next few years at the very least.
And what i was getting at is with the arrival of Cav, the work will focus around him, and people like Kennaugh who could be prospects for the future will take even more of a back seat.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Why does that have to be the case?0 -
Cogidubnus wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Why does that have to be the case?
It doesn't 'have' to be the case, but with Cav, we know he is going to be centre of attention, Sky are already a sprinting kind of team, they have one of the best trains on the pro tour, a train that will no doubt get Cav many a stage win over the next few years, but with Wiggins barely capable of winning an egg and spoon race, and Kennaugh possible taking a role on the back burner with all the Cav hype, that isn't really the best situation to be raising a young talent like Kennaugh in.
Just my opinion. But in all honesty i was a little dissapointed to hear about the move.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Cogidubnus wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Why does that have to be the case?
It doesn't 'have' to be the case, but with Cav, we know he is going to be centre of attention, Sky are already a sprinting kind of team, they have one of the best trains on the pro tour, a train that will no doubt get Cav many a stage win over the next few years, but with Wiggins barely capable of winning an egg and spoon race, and Kennaugh possible taking a role on the back burner with all the Cav hype, that isn't really the best situation to be raising a young talent like Kennaugh in.
Just my opinion. But in all honesty i was a little dissapointed to hear about the move.
Did Wiggins not just win the Dauphine? Or was it a lovely dream I had...0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Cogidubnus wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Why does that have to be the case?
It doesn't 'have' to be the case, but with Cav, we know he is going to be centre of attention, Sky are already a sprinting kind of team, they have one of the best trains on the pro tour, a train that will no doubt get Cav many a stage win over the next few years, but with Wiggins barely capable of winning an egg and spoon race, and Kennaugh possible taking a role on the back burner with all the Cav hype, that isn't really the best situation to be raising a young talent like Kennaugh in.
Just my opinion. But in all honesty i was a little dissapointed to hear about the move.
I agree with what you say, but despite them being more a sprint team they have given Wiggins they opportunity to poduim at Paris-Nice and win the Daphine. I am not suggesting he's suddenly going to win the Tour or the Giro but I think they can concentrate on both Cav and a GC. G and EBH can both be in the lead out train and support in the mountains for example.
With Contador in his all conquering form its hard for anyone to beat him not only British hopefuls. Signing Cavendish keeps Sky winning and retains interest in the team whilst they develop a GC contendor.0 -
BigMat wrote:Milton50 wrote:altyteacher wrote:I think many of you are talking about the wrong Martin - Dan Martin to SKY for 2012, 2013 at the latest - nearest chance of a Grand Tour GC winner within SKY's 5 years tbh.
I would have thought that Uran and Henao are just as good, if not better, prospects for a SKY GT victory in the next few years.
Was about to ask who on earth Henao is - Kennaugh?! If so, maybe a bit optimistic but then Dan Martin equally so. I actually think Wiggo is still our best bet for a home GT win. A favourable Vuelta parcours and 100% commitment to that race could see him through, but doubt it will ever happen.
No no, Sergio Henao. It's apparently a done deal that he'll be joining Sky next year. He won the Vuelta a Columbia last year at 22.
I definitely agree that Wiggins is the best chance of a British GT winner in the near future. I personally don't think it is impossible that he could finish second in the Tour this year. And if he finishes second to Contador then who knows....that might be enough for the win considering the CAS situation.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Cav doesn't have to compromise GT ambitions. Only the likes of Contador need or merit 100% full team support. HTC managed to put Velits on the podium at the Vuelta while still helping Cav to three stages and the points jersey.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Did Thor need a whole team for him to get the green jersey also? Same for Petacchi last year.0
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MrTapir wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Cogidubnus wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Why does that have to be the case?
It doesn't 'have' to be the case, but with Cav, we know he is going to be centre of attention, Sky are already a sprinting kind of team, they have one of the best trains on the pro tour, a train that will no doubt get Cav many a stage win over the next few years, but with Wiggins barely capable of winning an egg and spoon race, and Kennaugh possible taking a role on the back burner with all the Cav hype, that isn't really the best situation to be raising a young talent like Kennaugh in.
Just my opinion. But in all honesty i was a little dissapointed to hear about the move.
Did Wiggins not just win the Dauphine? Or was it a lovely dream I had...
He has just won the Dauphine, i cant take that away from him...but watching him sit 10th man back blowing hard up the mountain stages, i can't see him competeing with the climbers for the TdF IMHO.0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:MrTapir wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Cogidubnus wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Why does that have to be the case?
It doesn't 'have' to be the case, but with Cav, we know he is going to be centre of attention, Sky are already a sprinting kind of team, they have one of the best trains on the pro tour, a train that will no doubt get Cav many a stage win over the next few years, but with Wiggins barely capable of winning an egg and spoon race, and Kennaugh possible taking a role on the back burner with all the Cav hype, that isn't really the best situation to be raising a young talent like Kennaugh in.
Just my opinion. But in all honesty i was a little dissapointed to hear about the move.
Did Wiggins not just win the Dauphine? Or was it a lovely dream I had...
He has just won the Dauphine, i cant take that away from him...but watching him sit 10th man back blowing hard up the mountain stages, i can't see him competeing with the climbers for the TdF IMHO.
So Sanchez, Basso, Evans, Van den Broek and Gesink won't be climbing at the tour then?0 -
Cogidubnus wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:MrTapir wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Cogidubnus wrote:LeicesterLad wrote:Good move for Cav, bad move for Sky and Bitish Cycling.
The way i see it:-
Cav + Sky = no GC GT wins, and probably ruins all chance of seeing a Brit win a GT.
Why does that have to be the case?
It doesn't 'have' to be the case, but with Cav, we know he is going to be centre of attention, Sky are already a sprinting kind of team, they have one of the best trains on the pro tour, a train that will no doubt get Cav many a stage win over the next few years, but with Wiggins barely capable of winning an egg and spoon race, and Kennaugh possible taking a role on the back burner with all the Cav hype, that isn't really the best situation to be raising a young talent like Kennaugh in.
Just my opinion. But in all honesty i was a little dissapointed to hear about the move.
Did Wiggins not just win the Dauphine? Or was it a lovely dream I had...
He has just won the Dauphine, i cant take that away from him...but watching him sit 10th man back blowing hard up the mountain stages, i can't see him competeing with the climbers for the TdF IMHO.
So Sanchez, Basso, Evans, Van den Broek and Gesink won't be climbing at the tour then?
Like i said, its just my opinion, and what you say is true, however schleck dope junior and Contadope, Gilbert, Rodriguez etc will be riding the tour. We could always bet a paypal fiver on it...I reckon wiggo will not have a podium finish at the tour.
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Despite being the "toughest" race to do well in due to so many big names being present, the best chance Wiggins has of a high placing in a grand tour is in France. The Giro and Vuelta will always have super steep mountains that he can't cope with. He seems ok with gradients up to around 7%, but above that he is just trying to hang on.
Kennaugh is talked about a lot and presumably we'll get a better idea of how he is developing in the second half of this season, with a hard Giro in his legs. Mind you, other guys of a similar age, like Peter Sagan, have already achieved some pretty decent results.0 -
Speaking of Kennaugh: 6th on the Col d’Aspin + Tourmalet stage in the Route du Sud today.0
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There is another way to view this. Whilst Mr Cavendish is attracting all the attention and winning all the stages, could not the 'emerging talent' being nurtured by Sky have the opportunity to learn their craft outside the media spotlight?
The heightened expectations of last year seemed to do Mr Wiggins no favours.The older I get the faster I was0 -
BigMat wrote:Milton50 wrote:altyteacher wrote:I think many of you are talking about the wrong Martin - Dan Martin to SKY for 2012, 2013 at the latest - nearest chance of a Grand Tour GC winner within SKY's 5 years tbh.
I would have thought that Uran and Henao are just as good, if not better, prospects for a SKY GT victory in the next few years.
Was about to ask who on earth Henao is - Kennaugh?! If so, maybe a bit optimistic but then Dan Martin equally so. I actually think Wiggo is still our best bet for a home GT win. A favourable Vuelta parcours and 100% commitment to that race could see him through, but doubt it will ever happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergio_Luis_Henao0
