Contador June 6
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Contadors lawyer I believeAbdoujaparov wrote:From what I've read, I reckon contador did knowingly take PEDs, but I have vague (and possibly incorrect?!) memories of someone saying contador had a pretty good case when the appeal was lodged - and that the appeal had to be made cos of political interference in the first ruling.
Is that right? The bit about contador having a good case... If so, anyone know who said it?0 -
RichN95 wrote:Tusher wrote:My understanding is that Contador cannot be charged with having traces of plasticiser in his blood as the test of rplasticisers had not been ratified at the time of the test.
It's only a rumour that there were plasticizers, anyway. It's only been reported by a couple of proper newspapers. Maybe true, maybe not.
Could you knit an alternative blood storage unit?
The rumour, though, originates with ZDF, the German TV channel that first leaked the clenbuterol positive, so it would seem to have at least a smidgeon of credibility.
The UCI appeal to CAS does not feature any data on plasticisers:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7934/ ... o-CAS.aspxMarca discussed the issue with McQuaid, first asking him about reports that Contador’s biological passport has some irregularities. “Sorry, but that is private data,” he responded. “I cannot deny nor confirm, I cannot speak of the individual profiles of a rider.
“I do not know where they come from with that kind of stuff,” he continued, when asked further about the rider’s passport and plasticizers. “What I am saying is that for us, at this time, it is only a case of Clenbuterol. There is nothing more behind it. We know about the rumours, but neither the UCI nor WADA have created problems with that.”
I did note some interesting fence-sitting language from McQuaid there, surely there was no need for the "at this time" disclaimer. As for the "neither the UCI nor WADA have created problems with that" sentence, that's seriously open to multiple interpretations. It could be "we didn't create the problem of the rumours" or it could be "we haven't created problems for Contador by addressing them".
Of course, Big Pat isn't known for his lexical sophistication, he usually just opens his gob and sh*t comes out, so there may be limited value in reading between the lines.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
BarryBonds wrote:
Contadors lawyer I believeAbdoujaparov wrote:From what I've read, I reckon contador did knowingly take PEDs, but I have vague (and possibly incorrect?!) memories of someone saying contador had a pretty good case when the appeal was lodged - and that the appeal had to be made cos of political interference in the first ruling.
Is that right? The bit about contador having a good case... If so, anyone know who said it?
It was McQuaid, strange thing for the org who are appealing against contador to say.0 -
June 6th date looking unlikely..
http://www.as.com/ciclismo/articulo/con ... icic_2/TesThe sight of Alberto Contador in the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) will occur in mid-July or early September, but never in June. "Luis Sanz, legal adviser to the Spanish Federation, told the hearing AS rider delayed due to the postponement requested by the defense to give up their claims.
After speaking yesterday by videoconference with the president of the CAS panel, Efraim Barak, on Monday will decide the dates for the hearing and the new deadline for submitting the dossier. In this perspective, if the Tour does not streak, may run counter French round.
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It's as if Contador wants to take a massive dump all over cycling this year, isn't it?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:It's as if Contador wants to take a massive dump all over cycling this year, isn't it?
Indeed - perhaps riders should be suspended from racing in these situations. Is it too late for Saxo Bank to be un-invited from the Tour? Is anyone aware of a WADA appeal that hasn't gone against the sportsman?
FInally, has anyone got a link to a picture of the spectator with the fishing rod & steak on Stage 14?
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Here you go:ratherbeintobago wrote:FInally, has anyone got a link to a picture of the spectator with the fishing rod & steak on Stage 14?
Andy
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Probably, the team has followed the rules and Contador is officially cleared, he and the Spanish federation are the subject of an appeal. If Saxo got banned it's likely they'd appeal to the CAS.ratherbeintobago wrote:Is it too late for Saxo Bank to be un-invited from the Tour?0 -
Best moment of the Giro, that is.
As for chasing the source of the meat, as asked by Disgruntled goat, see
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... itive.html
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Contador's lawyer, Andy 'Ramos has to prove that the Irún butcher shop sold team Astana a contaminated steak. WADA reportedly sent investigators to the butcher shop and found no evidence to back Contador's defence. Their findings correspond with European Union rules, which since 1996, ban farmers from using Clenbuterol. The EU controlled 83,203 animals in Europe between 2008 and 2009 and only one was contaminated, and it was not from Spain.'0 -
I think I read that the use of these drugs in cattle breeding has been outlawed by the EU some years ago. The Farmer must have an illegal stash of these drugs to beef up his beasties.
I never thought you could dope a Cow and eat the Cow to boost your performance. The Cow could be given HGH, other steroids and a cyclist can blame the cow for everything. Clever indeed!!
"It wasn't me gov', it was the cow wot dunnit!!"
-Jerry“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
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Contador's defence is weak, I wouldn't be surprised if his lawyers play for time in order to avoid a ban. The article says the appeal could be delayed to mid-July. Just imagine that, he could start the race not knowing if he finishes.
Imagine the PTP carnage.0 -
Was it just me, or did everyone else marvel at the fact that on the Mountain Time Trial on Tuesday, Contador was barely breaking into a sweat whilst Nibali and Scarponi were breathing out of their ar5es and it looked like they were about to die..................and then Contador manages to smash their times by over 30 seconds over a 30 minute climb ??????????????? WTF????????????????
Even Dave Harmon said it looked like he was going to get beaten and beaten well........until with a Kilometre to go he had 2 1/2 minutes to beat them in !
Hmmm, Riccardo Ricco, Ivan Basso when he won the Giro 6 years ago, Floyd Landis on THAT day..........ring any bells ? When they say "he looks superhuman" you know what, he normally is.
So as for holding himself with grace and poise or whatever other platitudes the OP started this thread with, don't make me laugh. He is a cheat, he has been cheating for years and please God may he finally go down for it. Anything to wipe that smug smirk off his face.0 -
Mr Ferrari took that performance to be a sign of how tired Contador was and how he was dropping back to the same level as everyone else :?
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I massively don't buy this "he was hardly breathing - ergo he must be doping" argument.
It's totally false.
That's just his style.
You guys would be saying the same about Moncoutié were he not dropped everywhere apart from in Spain in September.
Even on the juice you have to go flat out.0 -
I had wondered whether, if he gets banned and loses the Giro as well then whether he would try and appeal in some way against losing the Giro by releasing his blood samples etc to show how they were doing compared to what they should be doing. Then again that might cause people to ask him to release other blood samples though which he may not want to.0
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Oh come on Rick, he looked absolutely imperious on that climb, its not just his style, everyone was stunned.
They all said the same thing about Basso when he won his first Giro by 9 minutes......wonder how much Contador will win by.
The guy has been named in every major doping scandal in the past few years, he has never lost a Grand Tour since his first entry. Nobody is THAT good.
They are all now saying that Lance doped and never got caught its possible.
I don't know what the answer is, I'd just like to see some proper close bike racing again without one bloke beating everybody senseless every single day, he NEVER has a bad day unless he does something stupid. Everyone else rides themselves inside out for one day to keep up with him for that day and then, the next day they are toast and Mr C is out there smashing them again.
Either he is God like we haven't seen since Merckx, or he's cheating. The problem is with all of this, he was found to have Clenbuterol in his system, NO TRACE is allowed AT ANY TIME. He was given a 1 year (down from 2) by the Spanish Fed, who NEVER ban anyone and then this was reduced to NOTHING because the Spanish PM said it was not good.
Sorry, but I cannot stand that sort of untruth. If we treated our kids in the same fashion, we would have nightmare children. Instead we have a nightmare sport that is out of control.0 -
When I watch Contador on those climbs it's like watching Armstrong or Pantani at their peak. No-one can get to him and he doesn't seem to have an off-day. I'd like to believe he is that talented but the saying 'if it looks unbelievable it probably is' comes to mind. I have no doubt he is at the top of his game but the way he climbs effortlessly (or appears to) leaves me wondering. Anyone ever watched footage of eg Mercx,Hinault, R.Millar etc. Did it look like they were struggling or did they make it seem effortless. I know they were using bigger gears but they were the best in their dayM.Rushton0
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Hey Sean, I'm not saying he's not on the juice.
I'm saying the chat about "Contador barely breathing", which was also levelled at Ricco and many other riders that people say are on the juice is clearly bollocks > it's just their style doesn't make them look like they're putting in the effort, though they clearly are.0 -
Ricco seemed to have 1 day in him but Contador is doing this day in,day out. Nibali is talented but someone posted recently that Contador makes it seem like a Prorider out with top amateurs. I can't warm to Bertie, it seems so cold. Pantani even tho' juiced had a flourish about him. Bertie just always seems to have another gear at the right time. Has he actually ever been put in any difficulty on any GT?M.Rushton0
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That was because they were so close and his superior TT ability won the day but I mean a full-on, going backwards day that everyone has had. Armstrong/Indurain/Ullrich/Landis etc all had bad days. Bertie sits in the pack, road tilts up and off he goes.M.Rushton0
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Hearing will not be on 6th June, maybe after Tour.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/26052011/ ... delay.html
Quick question on this. Is the TdF still an invitational race, can the organisers stop him competing and are they likely to?--
Chris
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roadiesean wrote:Oh come on Rick, he looked absolutely imperious on that climb, its not just his style, everyone was stunned.
They all said the same thing about Basso when he won his first Giro by 9 minutes......wonder how much Contador will win by.
The guy has been named in every major doping scandal in the past few years, he has never lost a Grand Tour since his first entry. Nobody is THAT good.
They are all now saying that Lance doped and never got caught its possible.
I don't know what the answer is, I'd just like to see some proper close bike racing again without one bloke beating everybody senseless every single day, he NEVER has a bad day unless he does something stupid. Everyone else rides themselves inside out for one day to keep up with him for that day and then, the next day they are toast and Mr C is out there smashing them again.
Either he is God like we haven't seen since Merckx, or he's cheating. The problem is with all of this, he was found to have Clenbuterol in his system, NO TRACE is allowed AT ANY TIME. He was given a 1 year (down from 2) by the Spanish Fed, who NEVER ban anyone and then this was reduced to NOTHING because the Spanish PM said it was not good.
Sorry, but I cannot stand that sort of untruth. If we treated our kids in the same fashion, we would have nightmare children. Instead we have a nightmare sport that is out of control.
Sorry to say this but to be honest most of the Peleton seem to be on something so lets drop the "oh my god, Contador must be doping" thing as they are all on the wagon.
AC is a better athlete unless he has a deal with the testers so he can do a bit more stuff or he has some secret doping product which no one else has.
Lets forget that the other guys aren't using the usual arsenal of doping products; we're too far down the road.
I'm disappointed that the french have started to keep up with Italians and Spanish riders as this means that they must be messing about again after some years of abstinence.“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
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jerry3571 wrote:roadiesean wrote:Oh come on Rick, he looked absolutely imperious on that climb, its not just his style, everyone was stunned.
They all said the same thing about Basso when he won his first Giro by 9 minutes......wonder how much Contador will win by.
The guy has been named in every major doping scandal in the past few years, he has never lost a Grand Tour since his first entry. Nobody is THAT good.
They are all now saying that Lance doped and never got caught its possible.
I don't know what the answer is, I'd just like to see some proper close bike racing again without one bloke beating everybody senseless every single day, he NEVER has a bad day unless he does something stupid. Everyone else rides themselves inside out for one day to keep up with him for that day and then, the next day they are toast and Mr C is out there smashing them again.
Either he is God like we haven't seen since Merckx, or he's cheating. The problem is with all of this, he was found to have Clenbuterol in his system, NO TRACE is allowed AT ANY TIME. He was given a 1 year (down from 2) by the Spanish Fed, who NEVER ban anyone and then this was reduced to NOTHING because the Spanish PM said it was not good.
Sorry, but I cannot stand that sort of untruth. If we treated our kids in the same fashion, we would have nightmare children. Instead we have a nightmare sport that is out of control.
Sorry to say this but to be honest most of the peloton seem to be on something so lets drop the "oh my god, Contador must be doping" thing as they are all on the wagon.
AC is a better athlete unless he has a deal with the testers so he can do a bit more stuff or he has some secret doping product which no one else has.
Lets forget that the other guys aren't using the usual arsenal of doping products; we're too far down the road.
I'm disappointed that the french have started to keep up with Italians and Spanish riders as this means that they must be messing about again after some years of abstinence.
That logic doesn't work. If he was / is doping all it proves is that he's a better doper (or responds better to it) not that he's a better athlete. If you allowed a free for all on doping then it does not follow that you get the best athlete winning, what you get is the best doper winning which is not the same thing. Consider for a moment a talented young climber coming up through the ranks who discovers when he gets to a pro team that he has an adverse reaction to EPO or another PED, what happens to this rider?--
Chris
Genesis Equilibrium - FCN 3/4/50 -
i used to think some of the riders looked like they were taking it easy until I went to a tdf individual tt and saw them close up. they - including contador the other day - are trying harder than most of us can even understand.
on tv, he might look like he's coasting. in reality, whatever "preparation" he's using, he can still only take 30 secs out of the others by laying everything on the line.0 -
"only 30 seconds" is quite a lot over a TT of that distance when you look at the grouping of the times for the riders in 2nd to 4th.0
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i didn't say "only 30 seconds" - I agree that it was a huge gap, and that the gaps behind them show this nicely.
I meant "the only way to get a gap as big as 30 seconds is by trying really really hard, even if you're cheating as well".0 -
Half the time I think people are watching different coverage to me. AC always looks like he suffers. He may look smooth but the effort always shows on his face. Menchov ditto. There's many a bit of coverage over the last few years where he looks like he's screaming his head off with the pain...avoidingmyphd wrote:i used to think some of the riders looked like they were taking it easy until I went to a tdf individual tt and saw them close up. they - including contador the other day - are trying harder than most of us can even understand.
on tv, he might look like he's coasting. in reality, whatever "preparation" he's using, he can still only take 30 secs out of the others by laying everything on the line.
It hurts with or without PEDs0 -
avoidingmyphd wrote:i didn't say "only 30 seconds" - I agree that it was a huge gap, and that the gaps behind them show this nicely.
I meant "the only way to get a gap as big as 30 seconds is by trying really really hard, even if you're cheating as well".
Sorry, see what you meant now.0
