Giro Stage 15 ***Spoiler***

frenchfighter

This guy should head to Cali where he will be right at home
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cornoyemade

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But let's face it, bike riders are not a clever bunch, few are uni graduate or anything that requires some intelligence.


Sir, i would agree with you that Cavy is an inbred village idiot who lacks the intelligence to do anything off a bike. In fact, I would bet that he has a twitter ghost writer . . . probably his PR team that he always contradicts in live interviews.

Tom BB

PMSL at that picture Good stage today.....enjoyed that bits that I saw.

luckao

cornoyemade wrote:

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But let's face it, bike riders are not a clever bunch, few are uni graduate or anything that requires some intelligence.


Sir, i would agree with you that Cavy is an inbred village idiot who lacks the intelligence to do anything off a bike. In fact, I would bet that he has a twitter ghost writer . . . probably his PR team that he always contradicts in live interviews.

Try a day without touching yourself at the thought of him.

mrushton

cornoyemade wrote:

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But let's face it, bike riders are not a clever bunch, few are uni graduate or anything that requires some intelligence.


Sir, i would agree with you that Cavy is an inbred village idiot who lacks the intelligence to do anything off a bike. In fact, I would bet that he has a twitter ghost writer . . . probably his PR team that he always contradicts in live interviews.

Bit of a generalisation there but like many sportspeople, they get into their profession young and dedicate their teens/twenties attempting to become a success.

I presume you know Cavendish well that you have such a low opinion of him that you regularly post with your views or is it that all you know of him is what the media shows you?

speshsteve

pottssteve wrote:

I enjoyed that! (Probably because I didn't have to ride it ).

Excellent descent by Nibali, great climbing by Garzelli who is, I think, about my age :shock: Seven and a half hours of agony and a deserving winner. Just a shame that Bertie is so far ahead of the rest....

Agreed, watching Nabili descend was class...if it looks quick on tv he must have been flying (mucho big testis)

frenchfighter

Sivtsov down to 12th and Dupont to 15th.

speshsteve

pottssteve wrote:

I enjoyed that! (Probably because I didn't have to ride it ).

Excellent descent by Nibali, great climbing by Garzelli who is, I think, about my age :shock: Seven and a half hours of agony and a deserving winner. Just a shame that Bertie is so far ahead of the rest....

Agreed, watching Nabili descend was class...if it looks quick on tv he must have been flying (mucho big testis)

Crankbrother

I do admire that even the blinkered FF classes Bertie as only having won 2 Tours ...

blazing_saddles

Were I designing a GT, I would always have one stage with a finish straight off a descent.
It is as much of a gift as climbing and sadly ignored.
Best of all, you can see how a great downhiller forces a climber into attacking early.

Action guaranteed.

tailwindhome

frenchfighter wrote:

This guy should head to Cali where he will be right at home
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Which one?

alan_a

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Were I designing a GT, I would always have one stage with a finish straight off a descent.
It is as much of a gift as climbing and sadly ignored.
Best of all, you can see how a great downhiller forces a climber into attacking early.

Action guaranteed.

+1

PBo

cornoyemade wrote:

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But let's face it, bike riders are not a clever bunch, few are uni graduate or anything that requires some intelligence.


Sir, i would agree with you that Cavy is an inbred village idiot who lacks the intelligence to do anything off a bike. In fact, I would bet that he has a twitter ghost writer . . . probably his PR team that he always contradicts in live interviews.

And yet.....he was still intelligent enough to spurn your advances.....'cos that's what this is all about, right? He knocked you back didn't he?

Unrequited man love...sigh...so sad...

luckao

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Were I designing a GT, I would always have one stage with a finish straight off a descent.
It is as much of a gift as climbing and sadly ignored.
Best of all, you can see how a great downhiller forces a climber into attacking early.

Action guaranteed.

Agreed. It's seldom rewarded. Wasn't there a stage during last year's edition where Nibali broke on a descent and made it stick. The Tour had a few one year that were followed by long flats that negated any advantage that could have been built. Very pointless. Finding a middle ground can't be too difficult, surely.

FransJacques

disgruntledgoat wrote:

I don't rate him as a better bunch rider than any of the other contenders, I rate him as head and shoulders above them on the last climbs, and probably in this years field the best TT rider of the Gc riders by a country mile.

And that was the issue with the stage as I said, first Rujano and then the Rabos gave him an armchair ride to his launch pad ane he launched.

I was frustrated at the complicity. What was really telling is the fade AC did in the last 800 meters when it appeared that he was flagging and Scarponi came back from probably 650 meters behind to, I don't know, 150 meters behind.

Now if AC had been left to spend 8-10 more kms in front over the last 40 kms, he would have faded a lot earlier. He might have died a bit more Garzelli style.

His team was nowhere and I mean nowhere so AC did a good job like Cav did and used the teams around him well. I'm pretty sure Riis had an envelope of EUR50s for Gianetti (or whoever the Andrino DS is).

How do you beat AC? Let him dangle more.

He's a p**sy b/c a) he was gesticulating all the time for others to take up the pace setting, and b) like Ballan he shouldn't be racing. But that's another thread.

andyrac

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Were I designing a GT, I would always have one stage with a finish straight off a descent.
It is as much of a gift as climbing and sadly ignored.
Best of all, you can see how a great downhiller forces a climber into attacking early.

Action guaranteed.

Absolutely!!

peterst6906

cornoyemade wrote:

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But let's face it, bike riders are not a clever bunch, few are uni graduate or anything that requires some intelligence.

Completely disagree.

There are many forms of intelligence, with traditional IQ being only one of them (and IQ is not necessarily required to graduate university: motivation and work ethic are more important).

I was an elite sportsman when I was younger and the committment, planning, effort and motivation to be good at anything is the same, whether it is sport, academics or socially. Only the aims are different.

After switching from sport to academics in my mid 20s, I don't think I worked any different in study than I did in sport. I just changed the amount of time I spent in that area.

Anyone who is elite at one thing can be elite at another, academics or sport.

That's my experience anyway and I'm no better than anyone else, so I know it's also true for others.

Elite cyclists are just as clever as other professionals, they just develop a different type of clever.

Captain Fagor

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frenchfighter

FransJacques wrote:

...Contador hate...

Try watching a few more races in the year and re-watching previous year's races to get a more balanced and accurate take.

frenchfighter

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contado ... -my-career

frenchfighter

“It’s too much. You should see the faces of the riders – they’re just dead. Imagine if it had been raining the entire day,” said Garmin-Cervélo sport director Bingen Fernández. “Do we need this? It’s one thing to race eight hours in a classic, but to race eight hours after what we’ve been through in this Giro is too much. A shorter stage would have delivered the same result, probably be more spectacular and it would be more humane. That’s the Giro. It’s crazy, but you know that coming in.”

frenchfighter

Mountains classification
1 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 62 pts
2 Mikel Nieve Ituralde (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 39
3 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 38
4 Gianluca Brambilla (Ita) Colnago - CSF Inox 27
5 José Rujano Guillen (Ven) Androni Giocattoli 26

Tom Butcher

FransJacques wrote:

disgruntledgoat wrote:

I don't rate him as a better bunch rider than any of the other contenders, I rate him as head and shoulders above them on the last climbs, and probably in this years field the best TT rider of the Gc riders by a country mile.

And that was the issue with the stage as I said, first Rujano and then the Rabos gave him an armchair ride to his launch pad ane he launched.

I was frustrated at the complicity. What was really telling is the fade AC did in the last 800 meters when it appeared that he was flagging and Scarponi came back from probably 650 meters behind to, I don't know, 150 meters behind.

Now if AC had been left to spend 8-10 more kms in front over the last 40 kms, he would have faded a lot earlier. He might have died a bit more Garzelli style.

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He's a p**sy b/c a) he was gesticulating all the time for others to take up the pace setting, and b) like Ballan he shouldn't be racing. But that's another thread.

So what you are saying is if the whole field had combined with one purpose - the make Contador lose - then he would have problems ?

I agree with you there were times when Contador got help from other riders - but that's racing - he put himself in the position where it was in their interests to help - whether that was to advance their GC position or even to repay a favour for winning a stage earlier in the race.

Cumulonimbus

Kléber wrote:

Nieve is now virtual leader of the race. A good move for Euskatel, as Anton can sit quiet.

Several riders quit, including Hunter, Downing, Ferrari and Kristoff.

Dont know if this got corrected at all but Hunter was the only one to quit. Ferrari was struggling early on but managed to finish within the time limit at 41.41. Kristoff and Downing were among the last to finish as well..

cornoyemade

Cumulonimbus wrote:

Kléber wrote:

Nieve is now virtual leader of the race. A good move for Euskatel, as Anton can sit quiet.

Several riders quit, including Hunter, Downing, Ferrari and Kristoff.

Dont know if this got corrected at all but Hunter was the only one to quit. Ferrari was struggling early on but managed to finish within the time limit at 41.41. Kristoff and Downing were among the last to finish as well..

did they use Cavy's tow tactics to finish, or did they ride like professionals?

blazing_saddles

frenchfighter wrote:

“It’s too much. You should see the faces of the riders – they’re just dead. Imagine if it had been raining the entire day,” said Garmin-Cervélo sport director Bingen Fernández. “Do we need this? It’s one thing to race eight hours in a classic, but to race eight hours after what we’ve been through in this Giro is too much. A shorter stage would have delivered the same result, probably be more spectacular and it would be more humane. That’s the Giro. It’s crazy, but you know that coming in.”

Depends if they want the fans to continue to watch or not.
If the PT teams don't fancy the course, they should be given the option not to participate.
If they turn up, they should shut up.

I didn't watch yesterday live after their choice got the nod.
As if 2009 wasn't bad enough.

I'm sure they think tonight's AToC stage is thrilling. :roll:

wicked

cornoyemade wrote:

Cumulonimbus wrote:

Kléber wrote:

Nieve is now virtual leader of the race. A good move for Euskatel, as Anton can sit quiet.

Several riders quit, including Hunter, Downing, Ferrari and Kristoff.

Dont know if this got corrected at all but Hunter was the only one to quit. Ferrari was struggling early on but managed to finish within the time limit at 41.41. Kristoff and Downing were among the last to finish as well..

did they use Cavy's tow tactics to finish, or did they ride like professionals?

Your ability to relate a brutal mountain stage back to a certain sprinter who is no longer even in the race is really quite impressive if a little scary.

Tusher

I read that Russ Downing had retired. Vexed for him if it's true, as I'd desperately wanted him to do well in his first GT.

Cleat Eastwood

no mention of him quitting on gazzetta

I really hope he completes it, a decent geezer.

RichN95.

Tusher wrote:

I read that Russ Downing had retired. Vexed for him if it's true, as I'd desperately wanted him to do well in his first GT.

He finished 149th today, 41 minutes down.