Giro Stage 10 ***SPOLIER***
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Its Renshaw but I had the same thoughtContador is the Greatest0
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RichN95 wrote:A poster on the Cycling News forum took these photos on Etna:
It reminds me of a really bad Channel 5 gameshow called 'Touch the Truck'
Cav is clearly cheating... in that second photo the BMC riders shadow is clearly pushing him up Mt Etna - this clearly isn't on IMO.
Frenchy, is this the kinda look that Cav needs to adopt for you to allow him between the covers of your al bum?
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Nah, this is better:
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Manuel Belletti facebook :
“Uno si fa il culo tutto il giorno per arrivare all’arrivo e poi gente come Ccavendish e non solo…altri “velocisti ” italiani! che erano a un’ora di distanza quasi rientra sul mio gruppetto attaccato all’ammiraglia e resta in corsa…. E magari vincono i prossimi arrivi in volata…. Vergognatevi !”
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another recent gem...
“Cavendish is very fast in sprints – everybody knows that – but I don’t like him. Even if you’re fast and win sprints you’ve still got to have respect for the other riders . . . “He was the first to sign the UCI ethics charter but then hangs onto the team car and then contests the sprints. He’s right to make a stand against doping but cheating like that is almost as bad as doping. “You’ve got to have respect for the other riders in the race who made it over the climb or suffered in the finale of a tough stage.” Pozatto http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... snipe.html0 -
Jaysus you really are an idiot are nt you! In the next line you get the rest of the story
"Cavendish hit back in today’s edition of the Italian sports paper.
He said: “Pozzato accused me of holding onto cars but I’ve never done that.
“If you notice, Pozzato has a problem with three or four guys in the peloton and they are all young riders who are coming through. “He thinks he’s the boss of the peloton and he can boss people around.” "
You need to learn that tabloid journalism is not a craft to be admired or copied!!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Cavendish and Pozzato seem to have made up since then, now they're BFFs:
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RichN95 wrote:A poster on the Cycling News forum took these photos on Etna:
It reminds me of a really bad Channel 5 gameshow called 'Touch the Truck'
Love it - that second pic is pure class.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Nah, this is better:
What a rotter - he's the only one out of the saddle! Ban him!0 -
Apparently, PINOTTI, GRETSCH, LEWIS, BAK, RABON, RASMUSSEN, RENSHAW, and SIVTSOV are no longer Part of HTC's Giro Team.
"It's not the same team as in the past," Cavendish said. "In terms of heart and commitment, for sure it's the same team. In terms of ability, of the strength and experience of the team, it's not the same."
"I think we took it for granted when I was winning every sprint I entered," he said. "Without a team I can win a lot of races, but with a team I can win every race.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendi ... ro-ditalia
(I think what he meant to say was "but with a team CAR I can win every race")0 -
Given how much he rides with his mates from Sky I take that as clear as anything indication that HTC is changing and wanting the GC focus and he might think about a switch.
I do think Sky are more prepared to offer that Sprint train (probably not to wiggins liking), rack up the victories with star sprinters while they develop any form of strong GC offering. Would satisfy sponsors I expect and the same train would probably be the sorts of riders who could do well in the classics. The showing in ToC shows their sprint train with people like Hayman, Downing, Hunt and Dowsett etc can be as competitive as anyone, the HTC one in ToC contains a fair few of the Cav sprint train like eisel and grabsch .
That said HTC can certinaly still create probably the strongest sprint train in the game but it's whether they are willing to dedicate 5 or more riders to Cav wins in the major GTs anymore.0 -
It's massively standard for riders to rest for a few mins in the bus on a team car, on draft for a while.
Teams usually take it in turns to send a car down to look after them, and they'll hand out bottles etc to all the guys suffering, not just their own team.
I have no problem with it in its current form.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:It's massively standard for riders to rest for a few mins in the bus on a team car, on draft for a while.
Teams usually take it in turns to send a car down to look after them, and they'll hand out bottles etc to all the guys suffering, not just their own team.
I have no problem with it in its current form.
Me neither, I really like that there's that level of camaraderie.
There are some real Cav haters in this thread that need to get a life. I can't stand Contador, but I don't post about him every 2 mins like a whinging little tw@t - grow up :roll:0 -
The Mad Rapper wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It's massively standard for riders to rest for a few mins in the bus on a team car, on draft for a while.
Teams usually take it in turns to send a car down to look after them, and they'll hand out bottles etc to all the guys suffering, not just their own team.
I have no problem with it in its current form.
Me neither, I really like that there's that level of camaraderie.
A bit of hanging on to cars is fine, but where do you draw the line?
Cycling is inextricably linked with cheating, not just in the general public's view, but also among many people who are interested in the sport.
If cycling wants to do anything about this reputation maybe it needs to get a bit sharper on the rules. A lot of people (even many fans) don't know or understand the historical context for all this cheating...0 -
As with most things, it's a matter of degree and context. If it's clear you've got 5 guys really struggling and suffering who are using a bit of cheeky team-car assistance just to make it through, no-one's going to really complain.Abdoujaparov wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It's massively standard for riders to rest for a few mins in the bus on a team car, on draft for a while.
Teams usually take it in turns to send a car down to look after them, and they'll hand out bottles etc to all the guys suffering, not just their own team.
I have no problem with it in its current form.
Me neither, I really like that there's that level of camaraderie.
A bit of hanging on to cars is fine, but where do you draw the line?
Cycling is inextricably linked with cheating, not just in the general public's view, but also among many people who are interested in the sport.
Taking a lift up an entire climb is a little much - but did that actually happen?
We, the riders, the team-cars, all know what's ok and what isn't, just by the feel.
It's not a thin-end-of-the-wede or slipperly slope argument since to me it's quite clear case by case when it's fine and when it's taking the p!ss.0 -
Philip Deignan posted a comment on Facebook - basically saying how pee-d off he was that some riders win stages the day after holding on to a team car to beat the time limit whereas other riders weer eliminated (presumably a team mate)
Don't know if he has any particular agenda, but I'm sure the Peleton is no different to any other 'workplace' for gossip, rumour and pure bitchiness.
Obviously this proves nothing - intrigues me though.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
As with most things, it's a matter of degree and context. If it's clear you've got 5 guys really struggling and suffering who are using a bit of cheeky team-car assistance just to make it through, no-one's going to really complain.Abdoujaparov wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It's massively standard for riders to rest for a few mins in the bus on a team car, on draft for a while.
Teams usually take it in turns to send a car down to look after them, and they'll hand out bottles etc to all the guys suffering, not just their own team.
I have no problem with it in its current form.
Me neither, I really like that there's that level of camaraderie.
A bit of hanging on to cars is fine, but where do you draw the line?
Cycling is inextricably linked with cheating, not just in the general public's view, but also among many people who are interested in the sport.
Taking a lift up an entire climb is a little much - but did that actually happen?
We, the riders, the team-cars, all know what's ok and what isn't, just by the feel.
It's not a thin-end-of-the-wede or slipperly slope argument since to me it's quite clear case by case when it's fine and when it's taking the p!ss.
I think that this is a fair assessment. Watch any race and you'll see domestiques going to and from the team car for various reasons. Whilst they are loading up or dropping off they often hang on for a little respite. Riders are also "paced" back into the race by cars on occassion particularly when they have a mechanical, as long as a level of perspective is maintained it shouldn't be an issue.0 -
Second-hand account, though. He finished 19mins ahead of the main bus... but, yeah, his teammate McEwen was eliminatedTailWindHome wrote:Philip Deignan posted a comment on Facebook - basically saying how pee-d off he was that some riders win stages the day after holding on to a team car to beat the time limit whereas other riders weer eliminated (presumably a team mate)
Don't know if he has any particular agenda, but I'm sure the peloton is no different to any other 'workplace' for gossip, rumour and pure bitchiness.
Obviously this proves nothing - intrigues me though.0 -
Yellow Peril wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
As with most things, it's a matter of degree and context. If it's clear you've got 5 guys really struggling and suffering who are using a bit of cheeky team-car assistance just to make it through, no-one's going to really complain.Abdoujaparov wrote:The Mad Rapper wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:It's massively standard for riders to rest for a few mins in the bus on a team car, on draft for a while.
Teams usually take it in turns to send a car down to look after them, and they'll hand out bottles etc to all the guys suffering, not just their own team.
I have no problem with it in its current form.
Me neither, I really like that there's that level of camaraderie.
A bit of hanging on to cars is fine, but where do you draw the line?
Cycling is inextricably linked with cheating, not just in the general public's view, but also among many people who are interested in the sport.
Taking a lift up an entire climb is a little much - but did that actually happen?
We, the riders, the team-cars, all know what's ok and what isn't, just by the feel.
It's not a thin-end-of-the-wede or slipperly slope argument since to me it's quite clear case by case when it's fine and when it's taking the p!ss.
I think that this is a fair assessment. Watch any race and you'll see domestiques going to and from the team car for various reasons. Whilst they are loading up or dropping off they often hang on for a little respite. Riders are also "paced" back into the race by cars on occassion particularly when they have a mechanical, as long as a level of perspective is maintained it shouldn't be an issue.
My favourite is the sticky bottle, getting handed the bottle by the guy in the car, and then getting a madison-style fling to biuld up a bit of speed0 -
if he got a tow and reduced his time from 23 mins behind to a couple of seconds then the moaners would have a point, but where is the harm in a rider who is going home before the mountains getting help to take part in the spectacle of the few remaining sprint stages left.The dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
momentarily from the herd and thinks for himself.0 -
Cleat Eastwood wrote:if he got a tow and reduced his time from 23 mins behind to a couple of seconds then the moaners would have a point, but where is the harm in a rider who is going home before the mountains getting help to take part in the spectacle of the few remaining sprint stages left.
I'm not commenting on this incident but in your scenario the problem is a big one.
Why should one rider slog himself over all the mountains to make the time cut only to then be beaten in the sprint the next day by a rider who has hung on to a car all the way over a mountain?0 -
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He made the time cut on Grossglockner....0
