Bionicon Edison

toby_winkler

Awesome, very nice indeed.

Good pic's as well to show it in its two different modes. Would love to have a ride on one, seems like a great idea to me.

pastey_boy

very nice but needs some green rims and these :twisted:
http://store.formula-brake.com/items/br ... -the-one-2

Beardface

Lovely looking bike CWNT, I like the subtle green additions too, and the pics for both up and down really show the versatility of it. Enjoy it mate!

bails87

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Or my sister, who lives ten minutes from llandegla. But, her husband might kick off about that

I don't know, you seem like a friendly chap.




That's how things work in North Wales right?

lawman

That looks pretty sweet!! Really clever geometry system, surprised more people haven't adopted a similar technology, but on another note it definitely needs some white or green rims and those green formulas 8)

andyrm

Looking fantastic! No doubt you'll love it just as much as everyone I know (myself included) who has one does.

There is a very nice Magura (think it's a Louise if I'm not mistaken) brakeset available in a green which almost perfectly matches the green on that. Saw it the other day in my LBS. Proper pimp...........

cat_with_no_tail

Meh, wont be spending any more money on anything just yet.

Everything on there does its job very well, no point replacing anything right now. I did the tart thing with the old bike. This one is function over form (for now :P ).

That said, I was looking at those "The One" brakes last week. They're out of stock though and have been for some time. The oros are very good though, not in any rush to change.

pastey_boy

Cat With No Tail wrote:

Meh, wont be spending any more money on anything just yet.

Everything on there does its job very well, no point replacing anything right now. I did the tart thing with the old bike. This one is function over form (for now :P ).

That said, I was looking at those "The One" brakes last week. They're out of stock though and have been for some time. The oros are very good though, not in any rush to change.

sounds like your in denial ha ha ha :twisted:

VWsurfbum

Looks very interesting and burly! 8)

as a previous Genius owner (3 times over) please explain how the geometry changes again, in idiot terms please, i know its late but i didnt get it?

On the genius you have a lever on the bars which alters the rear shock (and so the head angle too) and on the later ones locks the front forks out when you lock the rear out.
Is this simular?

cat_with_no_tail

Right, how it works (as I understand it anyway)

There is a slave air chamber on the end of the shock. The shock is connected to the forks by air lines (routed internally). You also have more air lines going to the "Magic Button".

When you push the magic button, it opens a valve which allows air to pass between the forks and this slave air chamber.

Now, say for example you have the bike set in DH mode, and want to move to uphill mode. You press the magic button and move your weight forward over the forks a bit more. This compresses them, and forces air out of the forks, down the air lines, and into the slave chamber on the shock. This slave chamber then extends, raising the back end as the forks drop, meaning your BB remains at a constant height.

To move back from uphill mode to DH mode, you press the Magic Button again, which as previously stated, opens the valve. You move your weight towards the back this time. This forces air from the slave chamber back up the air lines and into the forks, meaning they extend and the slave chamber retracts back into the housing.

The important thing to note is that rear travel remains constant, as does BB height. The only changes are to fork travel and overall geometry. Also note that as you've removed air from the forks to make the change in travel, the forks remain consistently plush at all travel settings.

There is a youtube video here that shows the system in action.

The Northern Monkey

the next step is an inclinometer that changes the "mode" automatically.

VWsurfbum

That sounds pretty cool! I'm guessing it will take a few rides to get used to doing it on the fly? I have had enough trouble training my thumb to go the right way since swapping rear mechs! Lol

andyrm

VWsurfbum wrote:

That sounds pretty cool! I'm guessing it will take a few rides to get used to doing it on the fly? I have had enough trouble training my thumb to go the right way since swapping rear mechs! Lol

Took me around 3 hours to get used to it, but now I use it constantly, because the adjustment is infinite (no detent stops or anything), you can tweak to exactly the position you want. Something I have found is that towards the end of a big ride or an enduro race, when you're hanging, it can really help to be able to slack the bike out a little bit to give a slightly more relaxed position. And I reckon the climb setting can be worth as much as 10% in certain conditions. Certainly the amount of traction you gain on loose rocky climbs by being able to stay seated but with weight over the front end is absolutely ridiculous, and it certainly shows up any rear tyre deficiencies.............

VWsurfbum

andyrm
Sounds interesting! Now all they need to do is do it in a 29er and I'll be interested! Lol

yoohoo999

that is awesome. i didn't really know much about these until you got one and i did a bit of googling....it sounds perfect for an all round trail weapon.

i'm still reading stuff about it as i'm typing this.....

cat_with_no_tail

First ride done. Sadly, the only pics were done on a crappy phone cam.




Initial Impressions (sorry it's a bit long).

It climbs a lot better than I was expecting, I was initially concerned about the extra 4lbs over the Mmmbop, and how it would affect me on long steep climbs, but I managed all the big climbs without any fuss, it feels a lot lighter than it really is.

Obviously, acceleration is not as sharp as it was on the HT, but it's certainly no slouch.

Finding the right travel setting for the gradient takes some getting used to. 10mm in either direction makes a big difference, so it was a little "trial and error" for a while. I started off with the travel set at the minimum for the short road section from my house to the trail head. After a while, I found out that raising the front by 20-30mm makes it much easier as the BB is moved forward slightly, giving the effect of pushing you along a bit more.

Same with climbing, at first it was difficult to judge how much travel to use on the climbs, I'm still getting used to it, but it is something that's picked up pretty quickly.

The actual act of switching between uphill, downhill, and inbetween however is very easy to get used to, and is much easier to use than Talas or u-turn systems.

Downhill the thing is an absolute weapon! Drop the post and raise the front and you actually get proper DH bike Geometry, not just a compromise like you would have on some other bikes. It gives loads of confidence to get stuck in!

Having never used an x-fusion shock, I was a little sceptical about how well it would work. Put can't fault it at all. There is a little bob when climbing out of the saddle, but I'd say that's to be expected really. The travel seems consitantly smooth through the entire range over both small and large bumps and jumps.

The forks are as good as, if not better than any i've used before. Including coils. I had some concerns initially at the lack of lock-out but there was no need. They just work really really well. One thing I noticed however was a slight knocking on steep climbs if I pulled up on the bars. I have put this down to poor technique on my part, and also some tweeking needed on the setup. Other than that, they seem incredible smooth and consistant at all travel settings.

In short:

VWsurfbum

Nice

joshtp

SAAWWEEEEEET!

Northwind

Mmm, that was what put me off the Bionicon I rode, the suspension just wasn't all that good... I guess I need to get another testride Very clever things.

andyrm

Northwind wrote:

Mmm, that was what put me off the Bionicon I rode, the suspension just wasn't all that good... I guess I need to get another testride Very clever things.

Sounds to me like the one you tested (if I remember from your previous posts about it at the time) may have either had new & slightly tight seals or perhaps was running a bit dry on the wipers. A quick monthly service (10-15 minutes) and a weekly coat on the stanchions with Bionicon's Never Stick lube and they will be supple as a Russian gymnast after 6 Breezers..........

Northwind

Mmm, it was part of their demo/press fleet so I'm guessing it got a lot of use. But on the other hand it was a much older model. Whatever the reason, it doesn't seem to be representative so I'll need to give 'em another crack.

Anonymous

The Northern Monkey wrote:

the next step is an inclinometer that changes the "mode" automatically.

Ooh god no, can you imagine the mess that would make on take off and landing transitions?

The Northern Monkey

yeehaamcgee wrote:

The Northern Monkey wrote:

the next step is an inclinometer that changes the "mode" automatically.

Ooh god no, can you imagine the mess that would make on take off and landing transitions?

hehe, that was going through my head as I typed it

sheepsteeth

nice bike, but i might be a bit biased, im glad you like it and it suits you now you have ridden it, its always a gamble buying blind so to speak but i knew it would be good,

i love mine and had a similar experience wth adjusting my geometry you will get used to making tiny tweaks very often as you cover ground as opposed to always going from the extremes at either end.

i find i adjust it all the time as it is so convenient and those little tweaks make the bike feel very different.

cat_with_no_tail

Moved some of the controls around from the stock setup and it now feels much better. Magic button is right next to the grips and brakes moved further into the middle for 1 finger braking.

Also, my stinger arrived this morning and is now fitted.

Thewaylander

oo i like the double ring chain device very shiney!

Anonymous

Thewaylander wrote:

double ring chain device

You mean the front mech?

Thewaylander

Look again yee bottom guide and so on, seen a few of these over the years with hugely varying price and effectiveness.

Be intersted to know how you get on with it CWNT

cat_with_no_tail

I've used the stinger before, the ISGS mount version though. They work really well. Not much to go wrong on them though tbh, it's just a tensioner.
Just a backplate with a roller on the end.
£22 for this one, available in a range of different colours.

Superstar also do something almost identical for about £15 iirc.

Anonymous

It's a stinger, it stops chainslap from causing the chain to drop off the rings, and yes, they work flawlessly. I haven't dropped a chain since I fitted mine about two years ago or so.