8.8 Japan Earthquake and Tsunami

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  • Another reactor blown?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Probably due to dodgy maths!
  • joshtp
    joshtp Posts: 3,966
    It usually is
    I like bikes and stuff
  • Gazlar
    Gazlar Posts: 8,083
    0.2 X 5 = 10
    No it isn't.
    what a sheepscunt (me) 0.2*5=1
    sonic- mms scale?

    I'm confused!

    its also a doubling of the power for each jump so its actualy

    power x2 x2 x2 x2 x2 so if the power was 1 it would be 1x2 =2 2x2=4 4x2=8 8x2=16 16x2=32.

    what does increase by ten for every whole number is the wave amplitude (ie the cribbly thing on the reader)
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    MMS - moment magnitude scale - basically an extened Richter scale, as Richter only went up to 7.0.

    Reactor 2 seems to have had the containment vessel damaged, but I don't think the molten fuel will escape. However, if they have to vent more steam there is a possibility that some contaminants will escape.

    Oh, I wish the news would stop using the term 'radiation' so loosely. Radiation is not leaking, radiation is not carried on the wind - radioactive substances are though. Even if you fully exposed the core and fuel rods to the atmosphere, as long as they were intact and no bits of fuel could escape, the radiation emitted would not pose a threat to any local settlers.
  • getonyourbike
    getonyourbike Posts: 2,648
    Gazlar wrote:
    0.2 X 5 = 10
    No it isn't.
    what a sheepscunt (me) 0.2*5=1
    sonic- mms scale?

    I'm confused!

    its also a doubling of the power for each jump so its actualy

    power x2 x2 x2 x2 x2 so if the power was 1 it would be 1x2 =2 2x2=4 4x2=8 8x2=16 16x2=32.

    what does increase by ten for every whole number is the wave amplitude (ie the cribbly thing on the reader)
    ahhh, I was talking about wave amplitude then. I thinkI understand. sorry for being such a sheepscunt.
  • montevideoguy
    montevideoguy Posts: 2,271
    supersonic wrote:
    MMS - moment magnitude scale - basically an extened Richter scale, as Richter only went up to 7.0.

    Reactor 2 seems to have had the containment vessel damaged, but I don't think the molten fuel will escape. However, if they have to vent more steam there is a possibility that some contaminants will escape.

    Oh, I wish the news would stop using the term 'radiation' so loosely. Radiation is not leaking, radiation is not carried on the wind - radioactive substances are though. Even if you fully exposed the core and fuel rods to the atmosphere, as long as they were intact and no bits of fuel could escape, the radiation emitted would not pose a threat to any local settlers.

    News programmes exist to make over the top claims to scare people. That's what makes the popular
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  • getonyourbike
    getonyourbike Posts: 2,648
    I've just realised that if that's me being stupid and I'm predicted 10 A* at GCSE, then I genuinely worry for stupid people when they have a 'doh moment'.
  • D-Cyph3r
    D-Cyph3r Posts: 847
    I've just realised that if that's me being stupid and I'm predicted 10 A* at GCSE, then I genuinely worry for stupid people when they have a 'doh moment'.

    10?! Can you even do 10 exams?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I think he means one. He's getting those two confused again!
  • D-Cyph3r
    D-Cyph3r Posts: 847
    Or maybe he is predicted 10 A*s, but a D in maths?
  • getonyourbike
    getonyourbike Posts: 2,648
    D-Cyph3r wrote:
    Or maybe he is predicted 10 A*s, but a D in maths?
    :lol:
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Yah booh sucks to you. We did 11 [fart noise]:P [/fart noise]
  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    D-Cyph3r wrote:
    Or maybe he is predicted 10 A*s, but a D in maths?
    :lol:
    Maths
    English Lang
    English Lit
    Chemistry
    Physics
    Biology
    German
    Geography
    History
    DT

    Couldnt you combine history and german and call it war. Maths and geography and call it Hill Counting. Biology and English Lang and call it How to Chat up a Bird.
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    I got an A in V brakes, darts and nuclear reactors.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I'll give you a K up the A in a minute :lol:
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    IAEA say the situation at Fukushima is now 'very serious'. What a surprise.
  • Richie63
    Richie63 Posts: 2,132
    on the serious scale of 1-7 where have they put it?
    I'm going to blow the bank on a new build ( within reason ) NOW DONE!!
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    They started it at 4, but looks likely to go to 6 which is higher than Three Mile Island, and one less than Chernobyl.

    They are dumping water onto the reactor core from above - I have no idea wheter the containment vessel is open, and wheter fuel is escaping. If it is, then this is going to be a real mess.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    supersonic wrote:
    IAEA say the situation at Fukushima is now 'very serious'. What a surprise.
    When I first read that, i thought you'd said IKEA were saying it :lol:
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    I think IKEA would do a better job reporting it lol.
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    The Telegraph, a well known expert on nuclear matters, have said it is the second worse nuclear accident ever.
  • bails87
    bails87 Posts: 12,998
    Fukushima one week on: Situation 'stable', says IAEA
    Shameful media panic very slowly begins to subside

    The situation at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear powerplant in Japan, badly damaged during the extremely severe earthquake and tsunami there a week ago, continues to stabilise. It is becoming more probable by the day that public health consequences will be zero and radiation health effects among workers at the site will be so minor as to be hard to measure
    As one who earns his living in the media these days, I can only apologise on behalf of my profession for the unbelievable levels of fear and misinformation purveyed this week. I have never been so ashamed to call myself a journalist
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  • jay12
    jay12 Posts: 6,126
    just read there is 200 workers working 50 at each shift trying to solve the rpoblems at the nuclear power station and to stop it from exploading etc.

    already 4 dead and further 6 injured or ill.

    they all know they could either die from injuries or from radioactivity sooner or later. they are exposed to 12 times the radioactivty that we would consider normal
  • D-Cyph3r
    D-Cyph3r Posts: 847
    Complete scaremongering. None of the Fukushima plants can "explode" and the clouds of gas they've been blowing up will contain very little radiation.

    Read bottom post on this page (it's long, but worth it)
  • bails87
    bails87 Posts: 12,998
    jay12 wrote:
    already 4 dead and further 6 injured or ill.
    It turns out that there has been one confirmed death, but not at the Daiichi plant at all: a worker who was in a crane cab at the separate Fukushima Daini plant (where all reactors are now confirmed to be safely in cold shutdown) was killed when the quake hit. Two more workers, this time at the Daiichi plant, are still listed as missing since the quake and tsunami hit. Six more required medical help following the quake, one suffering two broken legs.
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/18/fukushima_friday/page3.html

    So nothing to do with the radiation?
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  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    that blog isn't totally up to date. you're now up to level 5 "officially" and with the boss of the power plant in tears admitting it's out of control and people are going to die, so unless they can re-establish some form of power and get cooling independently then there is only one way it's going, and if the containers give way due to core melt down and it bleeds out then the toxic clouds get released into the atmosphere. That's the unknown roll a dice process as to what form that release will take place. Whatever happens it's going into the atmosphere and travelling on the wind.

    When people like Michio Kaku start coming out saying you need to bury the fucker in concrete, sand and boric acid ASAP, like they did with Chernobyl then you know things aren't looking good.

    anybody looking for accurate information from the Japanese gov at this moment is pissing in the wind. And the USS Ronald Reagan beat a hasty retreat from it's humanitarian mission when it copped for a radiation cloud downwind of the plant early on.
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    I don't think it can get as bad as Chernobyl - different type of reactor, with an explosion blowing the lid off the core vessel with the graphite moderator catching fire. This released radionuclides over a large distance. What was left of the fuel at Chernobyl mixed with concrete and steel, forming solid 'corium' - this stops the fuel going critical, and contains it to some degree.

    At Fukushima, the plant is water moderated so no combustible materials in the core vessel. There remains a risk from hydrogen and steam explosions from the cooling water that is being injected - but these are being vented off (this contains a small amount of radionuclides). The other risk is the corium mixing with water in the event of a meltdown and causing an explosion, though this is very unlikely, and would limit contamination mainly to the site. Full meltdown is usually takes a fair amount of time which gives the operators chance to plan what to do. Sealing the core generally happens after a meltdown, then is decomissioned when the radiation levels inside have decreased.

    Full meltdown is usually a INES class 5. Let's hope they get the actions right if it does go into meltdown, and that the vessel contains the melted fuel and products. Or ir could go up to a 6 or 7.
  • sniper68
    sniper68 Posts: 2,910
    edited March 2011
    Does anyone really give a flying fcuk?
    This thing has been sensationalised by the feckin red-top half-wits and US media.
    It was an earthquake and tsunami but now it's THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Well Chernobyl was pretty bad lol, we felt the effects of that in the UK. The chances of it being that bad I would say are practically zero though. More sort of Seascale/Three Mile Island level.