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Frank the tankFrank the tank Posts: 6,806
edited March 2011 in The bottom bracket
Will Gadaffi fall quickly or do you think it will become a protrcted civil war?

I think it'll be over in a fortnight but it will be bloody.

The demonstrators have my utmost respect/admiration for their bravery.
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  • finchyfinchy Posts: 6,889
    I hope that Gadafi's loyalists will realise which way the wind is blowing and abandon the bloodthirsty swine to his fate.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,768 Lives Here
    It's bloody already...

    Iraq's made the west slow to respond, which is a big shame. You'd have thought they'd have learned from Bosnia and Kosovo, but I guess most people who were involved in that have since retired...
  • TMRTMR Posts: 3,986
    Iraq's made the west slow to respond...

    Really? Who do you think started that? You need look no further than Langley.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,768 Lives Here
    Iraq's made the west slow to respond...

    Really? Who do you think started that? You need look no further than Langley.


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  • FastladFastlad Posts: 908
    One thing is for sure...Gadaffi will never be tried for war crimes. He will die with his regime. And it won't take long.
  • iainf72iainf72 Posts: 15,774
    I'm wondering if what comes out of the other end of this is better or worse. I suspect it'll be worse.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • cornerblockcornerblock Posts: 3,228
    Iraq's made the west slow to respond...

    Really? Who do you think started that? You need look no further than Langley.


    ??

    ?? Me too. Please explain. Tommy Langley? Langley, Berkshire? :?
  • brinbrin Posts: 1,122
    iainf72 wrote:
    I'm wondering if what comes out of the other end of this is better or worse. I suspect it'll be worse.

    Agree, better the devil you know - strange tho that the 'west' always interferes with the politics of those countries rich in oil, yet Mugabe - Zimbabwe, who cares?
  • sheffsimonsheffsimon Posts: 1,282
    Iraq's made the west slow to respond...

    Really? Who do you think started that? You need look no further than Langley.


    ??

    ?? Me too. Please explain. Tommy Langley? Langley, Berkshire? :?

    http://www.kingslangley.org.uk/

    A hotbed of international subterfuge.

    Or maybe https://www.cia.gov/
  • dilemnadilemna Posts: 2,277
    Gadaffi could always see out his days in Scotland ................
    Life is like a roll of toilet paper; long and useful, but always ends at the wrong moment. Anon.
    Think how stupid the average person is.......
    half of them are even more stupid than you first thought.
  • brinbrin Posts: 1,122
    dilemna wrote:
    Gadaffi could always see out his days in Scotland ................

    Day(S)? :lol:
  • TMRTMR Posts: 3,986
    sheffsimon wrote:

    Indeed. Overthrowing foreign Governments, executing their Commander-in-Chief, and generally meddling where they shouldn't since 1947.
  • iainf72iainf72 Posts: 15,774
    dilemna wrote:
    Gadaffi could always see out his days in Scotland ................

    Perhaps BP or Shell could buy him an island?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • dilemnadilemna Posts: 2,277
    iainf72 wrote:
    dilemna wrote:
    Gadaffi could always see out his days in Scotland ................

    Perhaps BP or Shell could buy him an island?

    He could afford to buy an archipelago ...........

    Devils' Island?
    Life is like a roll of toilet paper; long and useful, but always ends at the wrong moment. Anon.
    Think how stupid the average person is.......
    half of them are even more stupid than you first thought.
  • brin wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I'm wondering if what comes out of the other end of this is better or worse. I suspect it'll be worse.

    Agree, better the devil you know - strange tho that the 'west' always interferes with the politics of those countries rich in oil, yet Mugabe - Zimbabwe, who cares?

    Oil is a little bit important dont you think?
  • cornerblockcornerblock Posts: 3,228
    sheffsimon wrote:

    Indeed. Overthrowing foreign Governments, executing their Commander-in-Chief, and generally meddling where they shouldn't since 1947.

    Ah. I see.
  • You'd have thought they'd have learned from Bosnia and Kosovo, but I guess most people who were involved in that have since retired...

    Retired? Not necessarily, however there are processes to follow. It isn't just a Jon Wayne case of going in guns blazing, ask questions later.

    There is a lot of process to go through first.
  • PeteMadocPeteMadoc Posts: 2,666
    You'd have thought they'd have learned from Bosnia and Kosovo, but I guess most people who were involved in that have since retired...

    Retired? Not necessarily, however there are processes to follow. It isn't just a Jon Wayne case of going in guns blazing, ask questions later.

    There is a lot of process to go through first.

    What? ? Like trying to get a UN resolution but not getting a UN resolution and just saying fukk it we'll invade anyway. Sounds like a john wayne flick to me.

    If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow

    All these middle East revolutions have happened really quickly and the US and UK forces are overstretched in Afganistan. We couldn't commit armed forces even if we wanted.
  • StillGoingStillGoing Posts: 5,153
    North Africa is not going to be very west friendly very soon IMO. Sometimes it's better the devil you know and I fear Libya, Tunisia, Egypt etc are about to find that out. Iran sending war ships through the Suez is a deliberate act to wind up the Israeli's and a thumbing of the nose towards the USA. Iran will try and influence all of these Islamic nations helping some mad extremist into power. It will then be impossible to get rid of them.

    On the bright side, that old rusting pushbike at the back of the shed will suddenly rise in value when we can't afford to buy fuel for the car anymore.

    Oh and surely Tony Bliar's knighthood has surely gone for a burton with all the revelations being revealed?
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • rundlerundle Posts: 52
    And Libya is still a member of the UN Human Rights Council.

    Seems strafing your citizens is seen as OK.
  • Perhaps he wants his plutonium back from Doc Brown.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,768 Lives Here
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    You'd have thought they'd have learned from Bosnia and Kosovo, but I guess most people who were involved in that have since retired...

    Retired? Not necessarily, however there are processes to follow. It isn't just a Jon Wayne case of going in guns blazing, ask questions later.

    There is a lot of process to go through first.

    What? ? Like trying to get a UN resolution but not getting a UN resolution and just saying fukk it we'll invade anyway. Sounds like a john wayne flick to me.

    If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow

    All these middle East revolutions have happened really quickly and the US and UK forces are overstretched in Afganistan. We couldn't commit armed forces even if we wanted.

    That's not what I mean. The UN machinary is too slow, and it is as risk of not even working because China have vested interest in Gadaffi and have made that quite clear.

    What I mean is that a quick intervention to perhaps prevent airplanes bombing civilians - that kind of thing. I'm not talking about an invasion.

    The consensus after Kosovo was that the Western response was too slow and most of the damage had been done already. The consensus on Rwanda was that the UN was a) too slow and b) far far too ineffective.

    As for the forces being overstreched - that was half my point...

    There are times when the UN is useful - and times when it is not. When things kick off quickly and brutally, it's usually used as a scapegoat or excuse for a lack of intervention.

    "What? We were doing through the UN - what more do you want?"

    That the UK finds it OK to fully invade two nations that are obstensibly stable, yet won't offer brief, short lived defence against massive war crimes is bizzare.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 28,799
    PeteMadoc wrote:
    You'd have thought they'd have learned from Bosnia and Kosovo, but I guess most people who were involved in that have since retired...

    Retired? Not necessarily, however there are processes to follow. It isn't just a Jon Wayne case of going in guns blazing, ask questions later.

    There is a lot of process to go through first.

    What? ? Like trying to get a UN resolution but not getting a UN resolution and just saying fukk it we'll invade anyway. Sounds like a john wayne flick to me.

    If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow

    All these middle East revolutions have happened really quickly and the US and UK forces are overstretched in Afganistan. We couldn't commit armed forces even if we wanted.

    That's not what I mean. The UN machinary is too slow, and it is as risk of not even working because China have vested interest in Gadaffi and have made that quite clear.

    What I mean is that a quick intervention to perhaps prevent airplanes bombing civilians - that kind of thing. I'm not talking about an invasion.

    The consensus after Kosovo was that the Western response was too slow and most of the damage had been done already. The consensus on Rwanda was that the UN was a) too slow and b) far far too ineffective.

    As for the forces being overstreched - that was half my point...

    There are times when the UN is useful - and times when it is not. When things kick off quickly and brutally, it's usually used as a scapegoat or excuse for a lack of intervention.

    "What? We were doing through the UN - what more do you want?"

    That the UK finds it OK to fully invade two nations that are obstensibly stable, yet won't offer brief, short lived defence against massive war crimes is bizzare.

    Maybe a short but regrettably, bloody revolution is what libya needs for its long term future and the mandarins at the Foreign office realise this.

    Fortunately we cannot police the world, nor tell countries how to be, our forces and means are stretched as it is. Sanctions mean nothing to Col Gaddaffi, he has never cared what anyone thinks anyway, and up until recent times has courted terror groups quite happily. Nobody is putting weapons in the rebels hands, they are picking them up and acting on repressed decades of feelings.

    The UN is fairly slow burning and reactions are not good, look at Rwanda and how the Dutch troops were curtailed at Srebernica.
  • mattshropsmattshrops Posts: 1,158
    just look at how many un resolutions israel is continually in breach of, where is the will to do anything there?
    Death or Glory- Just another Story
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 28,799
    mattshrops wrote:
    just look at how many un resolutions israel is continually in breach of, where is the will to do anything there?


    Israel writes its own mandate and quite rightly so. Israel has balls and i admire israel greatly.
  • TMRTMR Posts: 3,986
    dmclite wrote:
    Israel writes its own mandate and quite rightly so. Israel has balls and i admire israel greatly.

    If Israel didn't have US support, I'm sure their attitude towards their neighbours would be very different.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 28,799
    dmclite wrote:
    Israel writes its own mandate and quite rightly so. Israel has balls and i admire israel greatly.

    If Israel didn't have US support, I'm sure their attitude towards their neighbours would be very different.


    Israels neighbours have been systematically trying to wipe out Israel for decades. After the Holocaust I think all gloves are off are far as the founding and maintaining of Israel.
  • iainf72iainf72 Posts: 15,774
    dmclite wrote:

    Israels neighbours have been systematically trying to wipe out Israel for decades. After the Holocaust I think all gloves are off are far as the founding and maintaining of Israel.

    But their neighbours haven't been acting collaboratively and this has benefited Israel. If they all "ganged up" (as it were) it would be a different story and this is one of the dangers of the changes in the middle east. Lots of crackpots doing their own thing is one thing, but a few crackpots teaming up is something else entirely.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • TMRTMR Posts: 3,986
    dmclite wrote:
    Israels neighbours have been systematically trying to wipe out Israel for decades. After the Holocaust I think all gloves are off are far as the founding and maintaining of Israel.

    The holocaust has no place in this discussion IMHO.

    The fact is that Israel occupies land that doesn't belong to it. We're to blame for that.
  • TMRTMR Posts: 3,986
    iainf72 wrote:
    dmclite wrote:

    Israels neighbours have been systematically trying to wipe out Israel for decades. After the Holocaust I think all gloves are off are far as the founding and maintaining of Israel.

    But their neighbours haven't been acting collaboratively and this has benefited Israel. If they all "ganged up" (as it were) it would be a different story and this is one of the dangers of the changes in the middle east. Lots of crackpots doing their own thing is one thing, but a few crackpots teaming up is something else entirely.

    Interesting. Why do you label them 'crackpots'?
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