Dalgleish - Make it stop! ****CONTAINS SCOUSERS*******

ratsbeyfus

So Liverpool are losing 2-1.... it may not be the final score, but it's clear he's lost the dressing room. Ever since he's taken over it's been one thing after another... and now this.

Someone put him out of our misery.

izza

I was at Old Trafford to see the FA Cup game.

Without going into the refereeing decisions etc., what was clear is how the team is clueless in its tactics and progression without Gerrard. Seems to be the same tonight and they have two games to go without him.

deptfordmarmoset

I'm not convinced the dressing room was ever Dalgleish's to lose. I have much respect for Roy Hodgson - and if he couldn't get the squad onside and performing well, I don't think Dalgleish ever stood a chance.

wiffachip

dalglish now even looks like hodgson

can't see it happening, but I wud love it if he took them down

ratsbeyfus

Give the job to... wait for it...













Graham Souness.

ozzzyosborn206

i am a liverpool fan and all i can say is you can't polish a turd, we have about 4 or 5 players worthy of the shirt the rest just don't cut it,

Stewie Griffin

Ratsbeyfus is taking the mickey out of our pool supporting friends I think I'm sure that King Kenny will be supported by the fans for a while yet. :?

Benitez is still the cause of the problem. His buys were no way near good enough. But the fans supported him while he fecked them up because Milan gifted him a European Cup & he became the Rafalution :roll: Hodgson wasn't given time due to the fans & Kenny is not the solution, Ratsbeyfus is merely pointing out that its their own fault

StillGoing

Never mind not qualifying for the Champions league again, you won't be qualifying for the Europa either. COYS.

tlw1

Easy game at the w.end thankfully

Ben6899

Did you see Kenny's face at Old Trafford? He looked as though he'd had enough... "just get me out of here"

Hilarious.

Tom Butcher

Can't understand why they don't try and get O'Neil in - unless they've got some hangup about his playing style not fitting in with Liverpool traditions.

daviesee

Best Liverpool can hope for is to avoid relegation and have a clear out of the dross in the summer.

Will the owners allow for a big budget in the summer is the bigger question. Otherwise you are stuck with what you have and no decent manager will want the job without a large pot. Torres wants to go and Gerrard must be getting pi$$ed off at carrying the team. What's left?

TanukiRider

We got Hodgson in, he had won basically sod all and had a very poor away record, has a negative mid table mentality and tries to turn arguably one of the worlds best strikers into Bobby Zamora........ what would Martin O'Neill offer us above and beyond that? Not much IMO. Given more time, he would have destroyed us further, and we would never have attracted anyone decent there, its hard enough now!

Right now we needed a figurehead to unify the supporters (who were still very split over Rafa and also Hodgson, though 98% wanted the latter gone for the reasons stated above), the players and the backroom staff - Kenny is one of very few people who can do that becuase of his status at the club, and its already proving effective. All season, or No9 has been awful - tonight he was one of four players who wanted it. Total turnaround, and that I have no doubt is 100% Kenny.

Time will tell of course, but in the long run, I hope he stays for a couple of years. We need to build, slowly.

Oh, and can someome please round up all post-Istanbul glory hunting day trippers and put bike tyremarks on their heads please....... sadly the OP is right, there are people saying already we should have given so and so the job........ jeez......... :roll:

Anyway, next year, we'll win the PL

antfly

Hodgson never looked happier than when he was leaving Anfield with a nice payoff, he couldn't get out fast enough.

StillGoing

Hodgson is a good manager. The problem at the red side of the Mersey is the players attitudes and sadly it's creeping into all PL teams other than the likes of Blackpool and Wolves. The players get paid far too much money for being too thick to get a proper job and just being able to kick a ball. The fans who pay to go and watch football are the mugs for funding the grossly overinflated wage structure of football clubs. I remember talking to an ex colleague at our local side when I realised he was working there as a fitness coach. He was getting paid £50k a year for just being on call. All his job entailed was isolating an injured player's muscle group (if there was one) and supervising exercise. He was miffed because he named his wage during the interview and realised afterwards he could have asked for twice that. The same side put apprentices on £3k a week as soon as they sign a professional contract. They can't string two words together, but they can text with their thumbs while holding a mobile behind their back and find you any kind of porn site you want on a computer.

Professional football is so corupt these days because of player links to criminal gangs and backhanders to agents that it is high time the game sorted itself out. The idea of a footballer getting paid £200k a week fills me with disgust. Granted it can be a short career; but pay them a basic wage, make them live normal lives during their playing career and give them a pay off on retirement from the game and it needn't be £ms. A wage cap like some American sports would be nice to level the field for some of the poorer teams out there..

Vino2007

philthy3 wrote:

Hodgson is a good manager. The problem at the red side of the Mersey is the players attitudes and sadly it's creeping into all PL teams other than the likes of Blackpool and Wolves. The players get paid far too much money for being too thick to get a proper job and just being able to kick a ball. The fans who pay to go and watch football are the mugs for funding the grossly overinflated wage structure of football clubs. I remember talking to an ex colleague at our local side when I realised he was working there as a fitness coach. He was getting paid £50k a year for just being on call. All his job entailed was isolating an injured player's muscle group (if there was one) and supervising exercise. He was miffed because he named his wage during the interview and realised afterwards he could have asked for twice that. The same side put apprentices on £3k a week as soon as they sign a professional contract. They can't string two words together, but they can text with their thumbs while holding a mobile behind their back and find you any kind of porn site you want on a computer.

Professional football is so corupt these days because of player links to criminal gangs and backhanders to agents that it is high time the game sorted itself out. The idea of a footballer getting paid £200k a week fills me with disgust. Granted it can be a short career; but pay them a basic wage, make them live normal lives during their playing career and give them a pay off on retirement from the game and it needn't be £ms. A wage cap like some American sports would be nice to level the field for some of the poorer teams out there..

I completely agree that wages are a disgrace and in general football is ridiculously overvalued in our society with it's mass coverage and attention, for what basically is just a sport.
However if people continue to fund it, who is getting hurt in principal by high wages? Why should they pay basic wages if they are somehow able to pay them? No one is forced to fund football unlike corrupt politicians for example.
Additionally, your remark on footballers being illiterate, porn addicts is massively prejudiced and pointless.
Personally in the last 5years i've completely went off football due to some of the points you mde (high wages, no passion etc etc) but from the amount of conversation in work, jeez, you'd think football is men's life. "We beat you"...nah mate you support a team from another part of the country, no involvement in it :roll:

beverick

What has a fictional detective got to do with Wednesday's football?

Bob

StillGoing

Vino2007 wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Hodgson is a good manager. The problem at the red side of the Mersey is the players attitudes and sadly it's creeping into all PL teams other than the likes of Blackpool and Wolves. The players get paid far too much money for being too thick to get a proper job and just being able to kick a ball. The fans who pay to go and watch football are the mugs for funding the grossly overinflated wage structure of football clubs. I remember talking to an ex colleague at our local side when I realised he was working there as a fitness coach. He was getting paid £50k a year for just being on call. All his job entailed was isolating an injured player's muscle group (if there was one) and supervising exercise. He was miffed because he named his wage during the interview and realised afterwards he could have asked for twice that. The same side put apprentices on £3k a week as soon as they sign a professional contract. They can't string two words together, but they can text with their thumbs while holding a mobile behind their back and find you any kind of porn site you want on a computer.

Professional football is so corupt these days because of player links to criminal gangs and backhanders to agents that it is high time the game sorted itself out. The idea of a footballer getting paid £200k a week fills me with disgust. Granted it can be a short career; but pay them a basic wage, make them live normal lives during their playing career and give them a pay off on retirement from the game and it needn't be £ms. A wage cap like some American sports would be nice to level the field for some of the poorer teams out there..

I completely agree that wages are a disgrace and in general football is ridiculously overvalued in our society with it's mass coverage and attention, for what basically is just a sport.
However if people continue to fund it, who is getting hurt in principal by high wages? Why should they pay basic wages if they are somehow able to pay them? No one is forced to fund football unlike corrupt politicians for example.
Additionally, your remark on footballers being illiterate, porn addicts is massively prejudiced and pointless.
Personally in the last 5years i've completely went off football due to some of the points you mde (high wages, no passion etc etc) but from the amount of conversation in work, jeez, you'd think football is men's life. "We beat you"...nah mate you support a team from another part of the country, no involvement in it :roll:

The quote about their abilities with mobile telephones, computers and making conversation was from the fitness coach.

amaferanga

Liverpool were shite last night. Torres is a joke really same as most of the team. Apart from his goal he was woeful. I was actually at the game (in the Blackpool end - g/f is a fan, I just go along now and then to keep her company) and it was very telling about the state of mind of Torres when there was a ball dribbling down the touchline that he could definitely have kept in if he'd gone for it, but he just couldn't be arsed.

That's Blackpool with the double over Liverpool as well.

Gazzaputt

Tom Butcher wrote:

Can't understand why they don't try and get O'Neil in - unless they've got some hangup about his playing style not fitting in with Liverpool traditions.

Because O'Neill is mediocre at best.

Aggar for the first goal was shocking.

I'm trying to rack my brains that in 33 years I have supported the reds have I seen such a bad side.

Even the days of Dicks, Babb, Collymore and of course Ruddock weren't as bad as this.

As previously said here there are at least 5 players not fit to wear the shirt.

Benetiz has a lot to answer for.

zippypablo

Tom Butcher wrote:

Can't understand why they don't try and get O'Neil in - unless they've got some hangup about his playing style not fitting in with Liverpool traditions.

Martin O'Neill would turn Liverpool around but he prob won't get the chance. Dalglish isn't the answer much in the same way that Shearer wasn't the answer for Newcastle. I don't think Liverpool will get relegated but they won't be in Europe next season.

rick_chasey

Liverpool have spent a lot of money they barely had on players who were rubbish.

They have a very small stadium and try to behave like title contenders even when they're not.

They'll soon realise no world class player will want to play for a team with no European exposure, and they'll be put back to mid-table Villa style mediocracy untill someone who grew up frotting over john barnes as a little kid who made some cash turns up to sugar daddy the club to a top 6 position.

StillGoing

Not necessarily Liverpool, but it'd be a wake up call for the clubs with sugar daddy's in charge if a big name did go bust due to the excesses within the game. Man City are already under warning that they have to show profit within the previous 3 years or something come 2012, otherwise they won't be allowed to compete in the CL even if they win the PL.

daviesee

philthy3 wrote:

Not necessarily Liverpool, but it'd be a wake up call for the clubs with sugar daddy's in charge if a big name did go bust due to the excesses within the game. Man City are already under warning that they have to show profit within the previous 3 years or something come 2012, otherwise they won't be allowed to compete in the CL even if they win the PL.

i have heard something similar. Will it apply equally to Madrid or do they just despise England? :evil:

Tom Butcher

Gazzaputt wrote:

Tom Butcher wrote:

Can't understand why they don't try and get O'Neil in - unless they've got some hangup about his playing style not fitting in with Liverpool traditions.

Because O'Neill is mediocre at best.

According to Wiki Two promotions with Wycombe, two league cups and a final with Leicester and four successive top 10 finishes in the Premiership, think he got them up into the Prem as well, three Scottish leagues with Celtic where he took over the Barnes/Dalglish side so not taking over a winning team, three Scottish Cups, UEFA Cup final, pretty successful spell at Villa. He can do no more without one of the big 4-5 English clubs because money is all important now - I honestly think that had he been managing back in the 70s he'd have been another Clough taking a middle ranked top division club right to the top.

I don't think anyone other than a Liverpool fan would rather have Dalglish in charge than O'Neil.

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

Not necessarily Liverpool, but it'd be a wake up call for the clubs with sugar daddy's in charge if a big name did go bust due to the excesses within the game. Man City are already under warning that they have to show profit within the previous 3 years or something come 2012, otherwise they won't be allowed to compete in the CL even if they win the PL.

i have heard something similar. Will it apply equally to Madrid or do they just despise England? :evil:

It's been in the pipeline for a long time, and it's across Europe, since it's a Uefa thing.

It also counts for smaller clubs.

The issue is whether Uefa has the balls to enforce it. The guardian's been pretty hot on it for a while.

antfly

The guardian don't make the rules.

rick_chasey

antfly wrote:

The guardian don't make the rules.

They report on it? And have been for a while? :?:

brucey72

The Liverpool situation reminds me a little of what my team Newcastle went through a few seasons ago in that we were a team in crisis and brought back a footballing legend in KK as our 'saviour' only to see him spit his dummy when after years away from football it all proved to be an impossible task and we ended up relegated.

For Keegan and Newcastle read Daglish and Liverpool.

Rouge Penguin

The Euro thing could be a non starter. There's so much money in it, all they have to do is start their own super league and UEFA are screwed. No Real, Salfords, Citeh, Barca's etc. and they'd have their own broadcast rights rather tha shared with the rest of the league.

Liverpool wont get relegated,Torres, Reina, SG and Kuyt will leave in the summer and the rest will hang on for their ridiculous pay cheques. Until that fat cunt sacked Hughton, newcastle would have been the example of how to claw your way back from meltdown. Still not a bad way to do it, limit the wages and play from within.

Stewie Griffin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... efault.stm

Selected quotes from the above.

From the 2011-12 season, clubs must break even over a rolling three-year period or risk a possible ban from Uefa European competitions.

During the first two seasons that the rules are in force, clubs will be allowed to overspend by a total of £37m, a sum that will be reduced on a sliding scale for each three-year reporting period that follows.

Below is the best bit

With 73 European clubs spending more than 100% of their revenue on wages :shock: