Watts - And The Meaning!!!
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Depends whether you're talking about MAP or FTP and how fat you are
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I'm not that fat. around 15% bodyfat.0
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freehub wrote:I'm not that fat. around 15% bodyfat.
It depends how much you weigh. A per kg MAP of over 5.5 is where you start to become reasonably good I would say. But even Good is a moving target - remember top riders will have a MAP over 7.Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/0 -
I am around 5ft 10 and weigh 77kg, infact, it could be less than that now as some people I know seem to think I've lost weight.0
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When I said fat I meant heavy. Just trying ( failing) to be funny. My MAPs less than yours but you're giving away 20kgs 0
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Pokerface wrote:freehub wrote:
So what is a good number on a ramp test? If I get over 400w am I doing ok?
Over 400w would be decent - yes.
SO what did you get?
I didn't go on in the end was too busy too many riders came round, so going on tomoz, he expects me to hit 450w but we'll see tomoz. I just did an easy 12 miler tonight.0 -
freehub wrote:Pokerface wrote:freehub wrote:
So what is a good number on a ramp test? If I get over 400w am I doing ok?
Over 400w would be decent - yes.
SO what did you get?
I didn't go on in the end was too busy too many riders came round, so going on tomoz, he expects me to hit 450w but we'll see tomoz. I just did an easy 12 miler tonight.
Do you know what protocol you are using? (How many watts it increases and how often)0 -
I'm not sure but I'll try find out.0
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Ok, I was waay off, it was proper hard. I only got to 350w, 5 mins at each of the wattages, 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 350.
But I'm confident I will get to 450 eventually just need to improve like the rest did.0 -
I don't think that is a valid ramp test. The jumps and intervals are way too big
Normally its more like 20 watts every minute. Not 50 watts every 5 mins.0 -
freehub wrote:Ok, I was waay off, it was proper hard. I only got to 350w, 5 mins at each of the wattages, 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 350.
But I'm confident I will get to 450 eventually just need to improve like the rest did.
5 minutes at each stage is a very tough ramp! and most people would likely get a lower number on that protocol than more normal ones. So don't compare yourself to what others have said.Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/0 -
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Was that a jump from 250 right to 350? Or 300 then 350?
Trying to figure out if this is harder or easier than a more traditional test. Might be easier as the you spend more time at an easier wattage before jumping to a harder one instead of it getting progressively harder but faster.
If your normal fail rate is 330, you'd score higher with the 5 min jumps but if your normal fAil rAte is over 350 but less than 400, you'd score lower.0 -
just read all the posts, am a bit confused. Freehub!! you asked what a ramp test was, then said you'd done one and hit 350watts. Then said you doing one after xmas then you did one this week expecting 450watt and got 350watt.
Not having a go!! honestly, I like reading your posts, just really confused!!0 -
It was 250 to 300, then 300 to 350.
If the machine was doing it automatically I think I'd get higher because I got 350 the last time I was on it and it did not feel like 350 this time cause I was not sitting at 300 for 5 mins and I'm definitely stronger than when I did it last time.
It was interesting anyway, until the next time.0 -
What did you actually learn? Most people are looking to find their FTP so they can work out training zones, did you get any help figuring out what yours is?0
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freehub wrote:If the machine was doing it automatically I think I'd get higher because I got 350 the last time I was on it and it did not feel like 350 this time cause I was not sitting at 300 for 5 mins and I'm definitely stronger than when I did it last time.
You lost me at "If...."
What does all that mean?0 -
Every 5 minutes a person placed it at the next wattage.0
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Yes, cause the time between changing wattages is shorter, and I've done 350 on auto before, felt easier, this time it was proper hard I never expected to be at each wattage for 5 mins, some people who go here have done it on the 5mins at each one, up to 500W, over, and back down, that's powerful.
I could have gone on for longer but was stopped for safety so I didn't wreck myself.0 -
Like I said what are you trying to learn by the final wattage figure ? Just curious because when I did it the deflection point was what we were looking for and I'm not sure I learnt anything from the final figure. What was your pulse BTW?0
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How far into the 350w interval did you get before quitting?0
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I only got into it by about 2 mins.
I'm not trying to learn anything from this ramp test, all they do is show my performance now, then in a while I'll be put on it again to compare, in the new year.0 -
I'm not sure I understand why you would bother doing the test if you aren't going to learn anything from the results - or use them to some way shape your training. And if you *don't* use the results to somehow alter your training, I'm not sure how you will improve?
But kudos for giving it a go - I know it's a very tough test.0 -
Pokerface wrote:I'm not sure I understand why you would bother doing the test if you aren't going to learn anything from the results - or use them to some way shape your training. And if you *don't* use the results to somehow alter your training, I'm not sure how you will improve?
A test doesn't have to tell you anything about how to change your training it could simply be a test to see how you're progressing. Repeating the test in 3 months will be a good indication of how training has gone, so well worth doing.
With 5 minute intervals I don't think the test is a great one (I'd rather see how many watts in a single all out 5 minute effort, or a ramp with smaller more rapid increments) - as it won't tease out quite small differences in fitness but it's still a test and that's most important.
Personally I would never have an indoor static bike test guide my outdoor training - just like I wouldn't take a treadmill test guide my run training. Whilst the mechanics are very similar, they're not the same, I like to test in the conditions I'll compete.Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/0 -
While I agree, the issue is that it is not always practical or possible to test under the conditions one is likely to face in competition. Pursuit riders that don't live near a track, or getting ready for long hill climbs when you don't have any nearby, etc.jibberjim wrote:Personally I would never have an indoor static bike test guide my outdoor training - just like I wouldn't take a treadmill test guide my run training. Whilst the mechanics are very similar, they're not the same, I like to test in the conditions I'll compete.
While a MAP test doesn't simulate competition, one big advantage of the MAP test is the highly repeatable protocol.0 -
Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:While I agree, the issue is that it is not always practical or possible to test under the conditions one is likely to face in competition. Pursuit riders that don't live near a track, or getting ready for long hill climbs when you don't have any nearby, etc.
Oh I don't think it's a bad test, and it won't give you completely bogus data. It's just not for me.Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/0 -
jibberjim wrote:Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:While I agree, the issue is that it is not always practical or possible to test under the conditions one is likely to face in competition. Pursuit riders that don't live near a track, or getting ready for long hill climbs when you don't have any nearby, etc.
Oh I don't think it's a bad test, and it won't give you completely bogus data. It's just not for me.
Bogus data. Just not completely bogus data. 8)0
