Watts - And The Meaning!!!

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  • Bronzie
    Bronzie Posts: 4,927
    Pokerface wrote:
    If he can add 100w to his ramp test, that would mean a gain in something like 125w to FTP if I'm not mistaken?
    More like 75W increase in FTP..............but still abig ask
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    My FTP is around 300w at the moment, about 8 months ago it was much lower, much much lower, could have around 200w but I was never on it long enought to determin back then just judging by the trends from comparing all my logs.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    freehub wrote:
    My FTP is around 300w at the moment, about 8 months ago it was much lower, much much lower, could have around 200w but I was never on it long enought to determin back then just judging by the trends from comparing all my logs.


    Mine is only around 250 (if that). Yet I can still crank out a 24 minute TT. ;)
  • Alex_Simmons/RST
    Alex_Simmons/RST Posts: 4,161
    freehub wrote:
    Oh right, I'm doing something similar to that next year, start at 50W, and it constantly goes up and you have to stay at 90rpm tho, it goes up to 1000w I think, goes up slowly tho, I rekon I'll get up to about 550W then have to stop.
    525-550W is world class MAP. Even for a rider up to 85kg.
    Pro tour level if you're 75kg.
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  • Alex_Simmons/RST
    Alex_Simmons/RST Posts: 4,161
    freehub wrote:
    How hard are ramp tests? Is it just like intevals, on the computrainer there is this 10 mile course that is called sawtooth and it's got about 7 or 8 3% climbs, supposed to batter it up the climbs then go steadyish down, but if you slowly increase the power up each climb would that count as a ramp test? I usually just sit at 400w or more if I can on each climb then coast down em behind the virtual rider.
    If you are using a Computrainer, then you can program it to manage the increase in resistance for you.
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  • Alex_Simmons/RST
    Alex_Simmons/RST Posts: 4,161
    Pokerface wrote:
    I'm sure Alex or Jim will be along at some point to tell me it IS possible to gain 100w on a ramp test in a year :oops:

    I think it's hard enough to add 100w in FTP or even in peak 5s power in a year, let alone in a ramp test. Although I have added 100w in sprint - I'd be surprised if I can do it again in the next year!
    2009-08-30_MapTests.jpg

    Relevant post here:
    http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com/2009/08/ ... ining.html

    I haven't done a MAP test for quite some time. When you have as much experience with power data as Ric & I have (as well as racing data), then sometimes the need for frequent tests diminishes somewhat.
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    My FTP was tested at 228 and my 10 pb is 22.17 FWIW
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    Pokerface wrote:
    freehub wrote:
    My FTP is around 300w at the moment, about 8 months ago it was much lower, much much lower, could have around 200w but I was never on it long enought to determin back then just judging by the trends from comparing all my logs.


    Mine is only around 250 (if that). Yet I can still crank out a 24 minute TT. ;)

    Well from the reports of people going from road bikes to TT bikes, I should in theory be able to do a 23min ten already on a TT bike with a good position on the wheelers 10 course, weather that happens in practice, I dunno cause I don't have a TT bike :lol: I might try borrow one but don't know who'd lend me an expensive piece of kit like that.
    Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:
    freehub wrote:
    Oh right, I'm doing something similar to that next year, start at 50W, and it constantly goes up and you have to stay at 90rpm tho, it goes up to 1000w I think, goes up slowly tho, I rekon I'll get up to about 550W then have to stop.
    525-550W is world class MAP. Even for a rider up to 85kg.
    Pro tour level if you're 75kg.

    Ok I guess I'll deffo not get to 550w.
  • joeyhalloran
    joeyhalloran Posts: 1,080
    inseine wrote:
    My FTP was tested at 228 and my 10 pb is 22.17 FWIW

    How tall/big are you? The seems a pretty low power:time to me.

    I am admittedly not very aero on my bike but last year my FTP was 275W and that got me 22:56 (on a not very good day I suppose)
  • steve23
    steve23 Posts: 2,202
    thanks for the replies guys, it makes some interesting reading, and now i have something to compare it to!
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  • a_n_t
    a_n_t Posts: 2,011
    inseine wrote:
    My FTP was tested at 228 and my 10 pb is 22.17 FWIW

    So you're 4ft tall and tip the scales at 50Kg? :lol:
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    So you're 4ft tall and tip the scales at 50Kg?

    No need to get personal! :wink:
    58kg actually and very aerodynamic!
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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    I'm sure Alex or Jim will be along at some point to tell me it IS possible to gain 100w on a ramp test in a year :oops:

    I think it's hard enough to add 100w in FTP or even in peak 5s power in a year, let alone in a ramp test. Although I have added 100w in sprint - I'd be surprised if I can do it again in the next year!
    2009-08-30_MapTests.jpg

    Relevant post here:
    http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com/2009/08/ ... ining.html

    I haven't done a MAP test for quite some time. When you have as much experience with power data as Ric & I have (as well as racing data), then sometimes the need for frequent tests diminishes somewhat.


    Yes - but you were basically starting from an untrained state. Therefore my assertion stands.
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    I'm doing a ramp test on tuesday hopefuly, even if I was capable of doing 550w it only goes up to 500 I found out. One guy used to go on it, up to 500, back down, then up to 500 again, and do this three times allthough that was many years on the same machine before I was born.

    I'm gonna do the rmap test then straight ont turbo after.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    One guy used to go on it, up to 500, back down, then up to 500 again, and do this three times allthough that was many years on the same machine before I was born.

    I'm gonna do the rmap test then straight ont turbo after.

    I find your posts increasingly surreal.
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    inseine wrote:
    One guy used to go on it, up to 500, back down, then up to 500 again, and do this three times allthough that was many years on the same machine before I was born.

    I'm gonna do the rmap test then straight ont turbo after.

    I find your posts increasingly surreal.

    How so? What's so hard to believe about that? It's true, some people arequicker than you.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    There's always someone quicker.
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    So don't try call my posts surreal cause they're not, I don't make things up.
  • steve23
    steve23 Posts: 2,202
    the ramp test does go higher than 500 though doesnt it?
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    Not with the machine I go on no.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    So don't try call my posts surreal cause they're not, I don't make things up.

    I don't doubt you, what I'm saying if you're interested is that the ramp rest is a specific test to find you V02 max FTP etc so if you can do it three times on the trot I'd suggest that even if this guy can bang out 500 he's holding back on the first test to be able to do it three times and this does not make sense. If you want to jump on the turbo afterwards then good for you.
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    Maybe he was holding back cause it as I said, the machine I will be on does not go over 500w.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Fairpoint. It's a bit rubbish as a trainer then or is just in ramp mode it tops out at 500? Still impressive to do 3x500watt ramps but then I top out at 340 and I was finished!
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    The max wattage it does is 500, the machine is used purely for ramp tests, it's not rubbish as such, it's just really, really, really old.
  • Alex_Simmons/RST
    Alex_Simmons/RST Posts: 4,161
    Pokerface wrote:
    Yes - but you were basically starting from an untrained state. Therefore my assertion stands.
    I never said it didn't.

    I don't typically post client's data, just my own for illustrative purposes.

    But I can say I have seen increases of more than 50% in threshold power in less than 6 months. Not untrained riders but definitely under trained.
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  • Alex_Simmons/RST
    Alex_Simmons/RST Posts: 4,161
    freehub wrote:
    The max wattage it does is 500, the machine is used purely for ramp tests, it's not rubbish as such, it's just really, really, really old.
    Then it is unsuitable for testing of elite athletes.

    > 500W is not unheard of.
    I have tested masters age athletes with MAP > 500W (and not be exceptionally large either).
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    Alex_Simmons/RST wrote:
    freehub wrote:
    The max wattage it does is 500, the machine is used purely for ramp tests, it's not rubbish as such, it's just really, really, really old.
    Then it is unsuitable for testing of elite athletes.

    > 500W is not unheard of.
    I have tested masters age athletes with MAP > 500W (and not be exceptionally large either).

    Not where I go it's not unsitable at all.
  • Alex_Simmons/RST
    Alex_Simmons/RST Posts: 4,161
    freehub wrote:
    Not where I go it's not unsitable at all.
    Perhaps I should have been more specific - it is unsuitable for testing the Maximal Aerobic Power of some elite athletes. It is unsuitable since it is insufficient resistance to execute the protocol defined for the testing of MAP.
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  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Not where I go it's not unsuitable at all.

    So where do you go? What is this piece of kit then?
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    I go somewhere in Manchester where I train.


    So what is a good number on a ramp test? If I get over 400w am I doing ok?

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