Turbo Training for endurance

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    The only difference between Fifty year old cars and modern ones is that the new ones have on board computers. They still have the same number of wheels and doors.
  • SteveR_100Milers
    SteveR_100Milers Posts: 5,987
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist. I've seen lots of these type of riders.

    Thanks a f****g bunch Mr Chiggy! I might as well stop now!

    What about the person that was a reasonably good amateur, then stopped and morphed into a fat bloater, and then started again nearly 20 yrs later?

    On a serious note, and given I am far from being classed as elite, I have made more improvements since I discarded my HRM, and ride only now on perceived exertion. The improvement is measured by results - TT times significantly reduced on the same course / conditions, and observation - being able to ride faster than people whom previously I could not keep up with
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  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    SteveR_100Milers wrote:
    On a serious note, and given I am far from being classed as elite, I have made more improvements since I discarded my HRM, and ride only now on perceived exertion. The improvement is measured by results

    What amazes me is the people who get Power Meters and Heart Rate monitors and then completely throw out Percieved Exertion for doing everything else. I ride with both, I'd almost turn back on a training session if the power meter dropped out. But all the actually training I do is based on PE not on anything the power meter says.
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  • SBezza
    SBezza Posts: 2,173
    Chiggy wrote:
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist. I've seen lots of these type of riders.

    Oh how I laughed at this for a hell of a long time, you know very little about what is possible :wink: from the human body.

    To be successful in anything is not just about athletic ability, the mental side of things makes up a big percentage of what people are capable of.

    You might have the fittest body around, but if you are weakminded you will not be the best full stop.
  • Chiggy
    Chiggy Posts: 261
    SBezza wrote:
    Chiggy wrote:
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist. I've seen lots of these type of riders.

    Oh how I laughed at this for a hell of a long time, you know very little about what is possible :wink: from the human body.

    To be successful in anything is not just about athletic ability, the mental side of things makes up a big percentage of what people are capable of.

    You might have the fittest body around, but if you are weakminded you will not be the best full stop.

    I know what the human body is capable of. Rate of fat loss. Rate of Hypertrophy etc. :wink:

    As for the mental side of things, there is "Determination" and "Confidence". If an athlete relies on determination more than confidence, there is a negative balance of psychology.
  • Mr Dog
    Mr Dog Posts: 643
    I'd be careful.. bet there are plenty of 'fat bloaters' who could leave you crying by the roadside. 8)
    Chiggy.. its all epigenetic, ugly ducklings often turn into swans, who may just 'come a pecking'!
    Why tidy the house when you can clean your bike?
  • SBezza
    SBezza Posts: 2,173
    Chiggy wrote:
    SBezza wrote:
    Chiggy wrote:
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist. I've seen lots of these type of riders.

    Oh how I laughed at this for a hell of a long time, you know very little about what is possible :wink: from the human body.

    To be successful in anything is not just about athletic ability, the mental side of things makes up a big percentage of what people are capable of.

    You might have the fittest body around, but if you are weakminded you will not be the best full stop.

    I know what the human body is capable of. Rate of fat loss. Rate of Hypertrophy etc. :wink:

    As for the mental side of things, there is "Determination" and "Confidence". If an athlete relies on determination more than confidence, there is a negative balance of psychology.

    You can't understand what a body is capable of, otherwise you wouldn't have written what was in the quotes.

    For the record, I was almost morbidly obese, yet I have lost over 38% of my body fat, and yet I am a pretty good cyclist I think you will find, so saying some fat bloater at some time in their life will NEVER be a good cyclist is pure folly, and makes you look even more of just a keyboard warrior, than someone that might have an ounce of knowledge.

    If you typecast people before you have seen any ability then you will not being giving them any confidence, and their determination might just be a wee bit lacking.

    Trust me I KNOW what a fat bloater is capable of, you obviously do not.
  • Mr Dog
    Mr Dog Posts: 643
    Told you so Chiggy! :)
    Why tidy the house when you can clean your bike?
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    I was a fat bloater. Probably still am by cycling standards. And am not a very good cyclist, so I can see what he's getting at.

    (6 Stone weight loss over a 3-month period):

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    And the most recent UCI Track World Rankings for my category. Note the highlighted portion as it refers to me:

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    (And that was all last year when I was untrained. We'll see how I do this year with some actual training in me!)
  • Chris James
    Chris James Posts: 1,040
    Chiggy wrote:
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist.quote]

    Last time I looked Eddy Merckx seemed to have piled a few pounds on...
  • SBezza
    SBezza Posts: 2,173
    Pokerface wrote:
    I was a fat bloater. Probably still am by cycling standards. And am not a very good cyclist, so I can see what he's getting at.

    And I think you are under selling yourself Colin, you don't represent your country without being good. Depends on what your definition of good is.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    SBezza wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    I was a fat bloater. Probably still am by cycling standards. And am not a very good cyclist, so I can see what he's getting at.

    And I think you are under selling yourself Colin, you don't represent your country without being good. Depends on what your definition of good is.


    Thanks Steve. That was the whole sarcasm thing. ;)
  • SBezza
    SBezza Posts: 2,173
    Pokerface wrote:
    SBezza wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    I was a fat bloater. Probably still am by cycling standards. And am not a very good cyclist, so I can see what he's getting at.

    And I think you are under selling yourself Colin, you don't represent your country without being good. Depends on what your definition of good is.


    Thanks Steve. That was the whole sarcasm thing. ;)

    D'oh been a long day :oops: :lol:
  • Determination
    Determination Posts: 45
    Being light also has its downfalls! I weigh 53 kgs and on the flat roads I suffer more than the heavier riders :(
    “To understand me, you have to meet me and be around me. And then only if I'm in a good mood - don't meet me in a bad mood.”
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Bloody hell, Chiggy has just lost any credibility with FatBloaterGate.
  • mclarent
    mclarent Posts: 784
    Chiggy wrote:
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist.

    Gutted, may as well give up now then.

    Damn, somebody already said that.
    "And the Lord said unto Cain, 'where is Abel thy brother?' And he said, 'I know not: I dropped him on the climb up to the motorway bridge'."
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  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Chiggy wrote:
    Riding a bicycle isn't difficult, if the person who rides the bike has suitable genetics.

    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist. I've seen lots of these type of riders.

    44 years is not enough time for the human genome to change significantly for 'bicycle riding' to warrant a new chromosome. There were thousands of crap riders in the sixties and there are thousands of crap riders today. There were 200 world class riders in the sixties and there are 200 today.

    Training techniques don't matter a jot. For the likes of the Schleck Brothers, its a birthright. The others at the front of the pack, they have the correct genetics to do that activity. The riders at the back of the peloton in the major tours also have the correct genetics, but slightly different.

    Not everyone can be a great cyclist. There are thousands who try, and thousands who fail. I was one of those who tried and failed.

    The only difference between fifty year old training methods and the methods used today is today there are 'on-board' power meters and Heartrate recorders. How muscles work has been known for quite a while.

    Just as a BTW, one of my Uncles rode a bicycle for the RAF team. He bought a Claude Butler Tour d'Angleterre, one of the first 531 bikes in 1936. He and others from the MC&AC rode regular from Birmingham to Rhyl and back in ten hours. That's 200 miles with stops for tea and cakes. That's Elite class moving on a bike weighing 22.5 lb.
    Are there any members of this forum who would take that challenge?

    I'll take on that challenge - if you can return the route to 1930s level traffic and road furniture.

    Still, I agree that there were about 200 cyclists in the top 200 back then and that hasn't changed today.
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  • SteveR_100Milers
    SteveR_100Milers Posts: 5,987
    mclarent wrote:
    Chiggy wrote:
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist.

    Gutted, may as well give up now then.

    Damn, somebody already said that.

    Yeah, get back in the queue....
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  • Velonutter
    Velonutter Posts: 2,437
    A person who has been a fat bloater at some time in their life will never be a good cyclist. I've seen lots of these type of riders.

    Chiggy, I think the first thing you need to learn even after 44 Years cycling is to engage brain before engaging the keyboard.

    Some of what you say is probably true, but to say an ex fat bloater will never be a GOOD cyclist is utter bollox.

    I was a good cyclist in my teens and early 20's with under 22 for a 10 and under 52 for a 25, I became ill for many years and ballooned up to 136Kgs/ 21 1/2 stone (5ft 10").

    18 months ago I had an operation to help get me fixed and off insulin (3 foot of intestines removed and stomach surgery).

    I'm never going to be a great cyclist...too old but I think in time I will become a good cyclist, I've lost 8 stone in weight and now weigh about 85kgs, not light enough, but I can hold just under 20 mph for nearly 60 miles, yep there is a lot more to work on, but at my age and after such illnesses I ain't doing bad.

    Maybe your wording should have been that they may never be an Elite cyclist

    At the end of the day, does it really matter, the fact that anyone is posting on here means that they are after looking after their health and want to improve, so perhaps a better choice of words and a motivating statement would have been better. :roll:
  • Velonutter
    Velonutter Posts: 2,437
    Pokerface wrote:
    SBezza wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    I was a fat bloater. Probably still am by cycling standards. And am not a very good cyclist, so I can see what he's getting at.

    And I think you are under selling yourself Colin, you don't represent your country without being good. Depends on what your definition of good is.


    Thanks Steve. That was the whole sarcasm thing. ;)

    Colin,

    I feel very humble about just how much dedication and work you have put into being the best in your class after reading your blog.

    Chapeau to you Mate, Chapeau 8) 8) 8)

    Maybe Mr Chiggy should read your blog, be a pleasure to buy you a pint of coke if we ever meet up!
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Velonutter wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    SBezza wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    I was a fat bloater. Probably still am by cycling standards. And am not a very good cyclist, so I can see what he's getting at.

    And I think you are under selling yourself Colin, you don't represent your country without being good. Depends on what your definition of good is.


    Thanks Steve. That was the whole sarcasm thing. ;)

    Colin,

    I feel very humble about just how much dedication and work you have put into being the best in your class after reading your blog.

    Chapeau to you Mate, Chapeau 8) 8) 8)

    Maybe Mr Chiggy should read your blog, be a pleasure to buy you a pint of coke if we ever meet up!


    Thanks! (Just started it to give some insight into what MY training is like - and to give me something to look back on to remind me of what I went through when it's all said and done!)
  • CarbonCopy
    CarbonCopy Posts: 492
    Yes Colin very inspirational 8) keep those wheels of thunder rolling
  • AidanR
    AidanR Posts: 1,142
    Got to say, I always had a fair amount of respect for you based on your posts here, but that's a great story. Best of luck for getting to 2012!
    Bike lover and part-time cyclist.
  • Chiggy
    Chiggy Posts: 261
    Read your blog Colin. My sincere appologies.

    I hope you all the best in Italy. Lots of 'Confidence', not relying too much on 'determination', you've already been there. :wink:

    Do you know of RandoRay? Ray Parker from Vancouver via Wednesfield.
    He got sideswiped by a pick-up truck and we are told it chopped his foot off. I believe after much surgery, he's doing well.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Chiggy wrote:
    Read your blog Colin. My sincere appologies.

    I hope you all the best in Italy. Lots of 'Confidence', not relying too much on 'determination', you've already been there. :wink:

    Do you know of RandoRay? Ray Parker from Vancouver via Wednesfield.
    He got sideswiped by a pick-up truck and we are told it chopped his foot off. I believe after much surgery, he's doing well.


    Why is it that people think all Canadian know each other?! it is the 2nd largest country in the world you know! :lol:


    P.S. You don't need to appologize to me - my point was simply that being fat at some point in your life doesn't preclude you from being a good cyclist. (Of course, if I had two healthy legs I probably wouldn't be one of the best in the world! Ohhhhh, the irony)
  • jonmack
    jonmack Posts: 522
    This thread is gold.
  • Garz
    Garz Posts: 1,155
    Good stuff Colin, good luck with the training plan!
  • Alex_Simmons/RST
    Alex_Simmons/RST Posts: 4,161
    Chiggy wrote:
    Training techniques don't matter a jot.
    I beg to differ.
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  • Chiggy
    Chiggy Posts: 261
    Pokerface wrote:
    Chiggy wrote:
    Read your blog Colin. My sincere appologies.

    I hope you all the best in Italy. Lots of 'Confidence', not relying too much on 'determination', you've already been there. :wink:

    Do you know of RandoRay? Ray Parker from Vancouver via Wednesfield.
    He got sideswiped by a pick-up truck and we are told it chopped his foot off. I believe after much surgery, he's doing well.


    Why is it that people think all Canadian know each other?! it is the 2nd largest country in the world you know! :lol:


    P.S. You don't need to appologize to me - my point was simply that being fat at some point in your life doesn't preclude you from being a good cyclist. (Of course, if I had two healthy legs I probably wouldn't be one of the best in the world! Ohhhhh, the irony)

    Ray Parker runs a cycling website called VeloWeb. He’s known as RandoChap on the forums.
    He’s Audax orientated.
    Origianally a Black Country lad, he was taken off to Canada at school age.
  • Chiggy
    Chiggy Posts: 261
    Ah.

    Thanks for all the responses about 'bloaterism'. :wink:

    Now I know who the REAL people on this forum are, and I can place myself in order. A long way down the list.... :)

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