Favourite tooled up ride

thomasmc

iainf72 wrote:

Inspired by some of the stuff in the Clentador thread

What is your favourite doped ride? List more than 1. When you just sit back and think it is what it is, what did you enjoy watching even though it was a nonsense.

Me : Landis to Morzine.

I remember watching this at work & then cycling home with a water bottle in one hand the whole way (13km) constantly cooling myself down. Inspiring stuff indeed!

Yellow Peril

Team Gewiss...La Fleche Wallone 1994

Snorebens

Old school, when I was too young to know better:
Can't remember the year but Riis yo-yo-ing of the front a group, dropping back, accelerating, dropping back before finally taking off takes the p*ss - anyone with a youtube link?

Recent laugh-out-loud:
Ricco and Piepoli in 2008 - you were just waiting for the busted news.

Pross

I notice there are a few (me included) that have listed riders commonly believed to have been juiced up but who 'never tested positive'. Did Jalabert ever test positive or have substantial anecdotal evidence against him (other than going from occassional sprint stage winner to yellow jersey contender / climber)?

greasedscotsman

Snorebens wrote:

Old school, when I was too young to know better:
Can't remember the year but Riis yo-yo-ing of the front a group, dropping back, accelerating, dropping back before finally taking off takes the p*ss - anyone with a youtube link?

Hautacam '96, can't do a search on You Tube as I'm at work

DaveyL

Riis Hautacam 96

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHlCl2s0UM

No doubt French "I don't care that Pantani doped" Fighter will love the style and panache of his attacks.

eh

Two that spring to mind:

Iban Mayo - Alp d'huez stage TDF 2003
David Millar - World TT champs 2003

I never seen them but how about a Berzin win?

I also have my doubts about Henrik Djernis 3 mtb worlds wins, but not sure if these were dodgy or not.

Pross

That Riis footage is superb - I think the fact I couldn't even remember it suggests that such attacking in the mountains was fairly common place back then so maybe there is something in the idea that doping makes racing more entertaining. With hindsight how on earth did we believe what we were seeing was real when people were putting in multiple attacks at that pace in the mountains and then recovering to ride the next day?

all show no go

Cancellara's World's TT win last year.

iainf72

all show no go wrote:

Cancellara's World's TT win last year.

I resisted that one.

shockedsoshocked

Ullrich on the Arcalis, 97.

Absolutely unreal.

all show no go

iainf72 wrote:

all show no go wrote:

Cancellara's World's TT win last year.

I resisted that one.

I tried to as well but somebody had already pipped me to Argentin's Fleche-Wallone win in '94.

dougzz

This is quite interesting, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DmNMGEuI0

The commentary is top stuff, "I don't believe it" you shouldn't Paul........

"Where he's found the strength from I don't know" I think you do Phil.......

Lance could climb because he'd lost weight :roll:

mididoctors

I think the first ride we all saw that emphasised the effect of EPO and blood vector doping was probably

the 1994 Fleche wallone team time trial won by Gweiss

it was clearly a different race up front

it was Ekimov who let the wheels go and when a former soviet era Eastern European cyborg of that stature can't hold on its clear the guys up front have the right mixture

shinyhelmut

dougzz wrote:

Lance could climb because he'd lost weight :roll:

Nope, it's his high cadence that does it

shinyhelmut

'96 Paris Roubaix Georgio Sqinzi (Mapei owner) deciding over the phone which of his 3 riders who've broken away together should take the win.

phreak

I love Pantani so the Deux Alpes is an obvious one, but this one is also quite something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ_bY4DCbIc

Chain came off ala baby Schleck but he still rode back to spank the rest.

sherer

iainf72 wrote:

all show no go wrote:

Cancellara's World's TT win last year.

I resisted that one.

Always been a fan of Cancellara. Not really heard him linked to any doping scandels so far apart from the hidden motor.

I always prefer to think of them as clean and then when they fail a test realise it was obvious.

As I mentioned earlier in another thread will go for Jalabert winning the KOM twice in the tour

Kléber

Don't forget the 1995 Worlds in Duitama, Colombia. Olano won ahead of Indurain, Pantani and Gianetti.

Any win by Pascal Richard too. He was good to watch, being very wily but willing to attack. But with lashings of hot sauce.

afx237vi

sherer wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

all show no go wrote:

Cancellara's World's TT win last year.

I resisted that one.

Always been a fan of Cancellara. Not really heard him linked to any doping scandels so far apart from the hidden motor.

I always prefer to think of them as clean and then when they fail a test realise it was obvious.

As I mentioned earlier in another thread will go for Jalabert winning the KOM twice in the tour

Cancellara was working with Dr Cecchini until 2006:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Cecchini

rick_chasey

afx237vi wrote:

Cancellara was working with Dr Cecchini until 2006:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Cecchini

Since you seem to know who works with who - who does Boonen work with?

frenchfighter

Fleche Wallone 1994 - interesting quote after that one from Ferrari:

"EPO is not dangerous, it's the abuse that is. It's also dangerous to drink 10 liters of orange juice,"

And the various hematocrit variations for Gweiss 94-95
Vladislav Bobrik (Rus) : 42.7 to 53
Bruno Cenghialta (Ita): 37.2 to 54.5
Francesco Frattini (Ita) : 46 to 54
Giorgio Furlan (Ita) : 38.8 to 51
Nicola Minali (Ita) : 41.7 to 54
Piotr Ugrumov (Lat) : 32.8 to 60
Alberto Volpi (Ita) : 38.5 to 52.6

A full story on that race from Pez:
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4869

disgruntledgoat

Oh, and in the interests of dispelling bias.. Both of Gibo's Giro wins. :oops:

iainf72

Rick Chasey wrote:

Since you seem to know who works with who - who does Boonen work with?

Dr Feelgood I believe.

Boom boom.

afx237vi

Rick Chasey wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Cancellara was working with Dr Cecchini until 2006:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Cecchini

Since you seem to know who works with who - who does Boonen work with?

No idea, but the Cancellara / Cecchini thing is not a secret...

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/200 ... prologue07

"Cecchini was my trainer before. With the problems that everyone thinks he has, it was hard to leave him because I trained with him for a few years. He has 30 years experience in cycling and it's hard to find someone with the same sort of experience.

"I am with Bjarne now, who also has a lot of experience. The way Bjarne works is important in cycling. What he did was good [admitting to doping in the past]. He said what happened. We have our training camps, our tests and we work very hard; people may not believe us but they can come and see what is going on."

No_Ta_Doctor

DaveyL wrote:

Riis Hautacam 96

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHlCl2s0UM

No doubt French "I don't care that Pantani doped" Fighter will love the style and panache of his attacks.

Well everyone should love the style and panache there. Riis himself credits Fignon for teaching him top ride like that.

Obviously he could only do it because his blood was as thick as wet cement....

No_Ta_Doctor

I've often wondered about Roche clawing back Delgado on La Plagne in 87. A monumental ride. Roche coming over the line frothing at the mouth and then collapsing on his bike... As a teenager it was hugely inspirational. As an old cynic....

greeny12

As has already been said, Ricco's antics in the Tour - before he got busted - were just silly...

I didn't really follow pro cycling other than the Tour during the 1990s so all the juiced up efforts referred to in races like Fleche Wallone are happily unknown to me. In fact my first knowledge of doping in cycling was when Delgado got busted for that masking agent thingy in the Tour.

sherer

one more to add. Gianni Bugno leading the entire Giro but forget the year

DaveyL

I did a mountain bike event a couple of years ago and had a couple of tabs of ibuprofen with pseudoephedrine beforehand. I was flying.