Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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Apparently earlier samples were clean, and the sample the day after the positive test recorded a dose about half the size.BikingBernie wrote:Perhaps the supposedly low concentrations found are traces left over from his pre-race 'preparation'. I wonder if any of his earlier samples were tested for Clenbuterol, or will be? Perhaps this cannot be done if the 'A' sample has already been used.0 -
bsm2dj wrote:Why can't people read an article correctly. It clearly states that the test was taken on the second rest day- not the 2nd day of the TdF!
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Pokerface wrote:Let's not forget the REAL story here: Andy Schleck may just pick up his first TdF win after all. 8)
what a strange chain of events...
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So someone has made a definitive statement that his earlier samples were actually tested for Clenbuterol, and weren't simply clear of whatever it was they were tested for? Interesting. Do you have a link?Kléber wrote:
Apparently earlier samples were clean, and the sample the day after the positive test recorded a dose about half the size.BikingBernie wrote:Perhaps the supposedly low concentrations found are traces left over from his pre-race 'preparation'. I wonder if any of his earlier samples were tested for Clenbuterol, or will be? Perhaps this cannot be done if the 'A' sample has already been used.0 -
Kléber wrote:
Apparently earlier samples were clean, and the sample the day after the positive test recorded a dose about half the size.BikingBernie wrote:Perhaps the supposedly low concentrations found are traces left over from his pre-race 'preparation'. I wonder if any of his earlier samples were tested for Clenbuterol, or will be? Perhaps this cannot be done if the 'A' sample has already been used.
And as you know a lot about doping practices (from your posts), what does this indicate to you?0 -
meggiedude wrote:bsm2dj wrote:Why can't people read an article correctly. It clearly states that the test was taken on the second rest day- not the 2nd day of the TdF!
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Riis must be pulling his own teeth out"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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If his earlier samples had been tested for Clenbuterol and were clean, and if the UCI's report as to the concentration levels are accurate this would leave open the possibility that doping was not involved. I will await Kleber's link before passing further judgment.Pokerface wrote:
And as you know a lot about doping practices (from your posts), what does this indicate to you?Kléber wrote:
Apparently earlier samples were clean, and the sample the day after the positive test recorded a dose about half the size.BikingBernie wrote:Perhaps the supposedly low concentrations found are traces left over from his pre-race 'preparation'. I wonder if any of his earlier samples were tested for Clenbuterol, or will be? Perhaps this cannot be done if the 'A' sample has already been used.
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Kléber wrote:
Apparently earlier samples were clean, and the sample the day after the positive test recorded a dose about half the size.BikingBernie wrote:Perhaps the supposedly low concentrations found are traces left over from his pre-race 'preparation'. I wonder if any of his earlier samples were tested for Clenbuterol, or will be? Perhaps this cannot be done if the 'A' sample has already been used.
he was doing bute mid race?
talk about desperate"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
The only person for whom there is evidence indicating that the UCI have 'protected' him is Armstrong...RichN95 wrote:Still, the UCI never catch the big names, do they? They're protected, right?
Meh, took you long enough, second page, my, you are slipping...... :roll:0 -
Top of the sports news on Radio 4's News Briefing this morning. All summer I've been fuming at the complete lack of any cycling coverage, now as soon as there is something negative to say it is in the headlines. Could this have anything to do with Sky's focus on cycling and BBC / Sky rivalries?
As regards AC's guilt or otherwise, surely it's too early to say. Both accidental and intentional ingestion are quite plausible explanations at this stage, taking all of the known factors and background into consideration. Insufficient data to compute.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Enjoy. Want to place bets on how pages this will run to.
"The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality."
Tiny = 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml
All I can say is I am impressed the doping authorities have equipment good enough to detect levels this miniscule.
Theres a balenced reasoning there, as the yellow jersey and a favorite, the amount of tests he would have, it would be career suicide to dope with something that has no benefit at such low levels, plus contaminated recovery products do happen, but as cyclists we love burning people at the stake because thats how we live, ingoring the facts, guilty till proved innocent, then we just carry on being haters.
Only been in this sport two years but jesus, i've never know so many cynical people not allowing the past to stay in the past and not allowing the sport to move forward (BTW I have an A level in sports nutrition so I understand very much about doping, before you ask)Helmand Province is such a nice place.....0 -
Neil Buckley wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Enjoy. Want to place bets on how pages this will run to.
"The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality."
Tiny = 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml
All I can say is I am impressed the doping authorities have equipment good enough to detect levels this miniscule.
Theres a balenced reasoning there, as the yellow jersey and a favorite, the amount of tests he would have, it would be career suicide to dope with something that has no benefit at such low levels, plus contaminated recovery products do happen, but as cyclists we love burning people at the stake because thats how we live, ingoring the facts, guilty till proved innocent, then we just carry on being haters.
Only been in this sport two years but jesus, i've never know so many cynical people not allowing the past to stay in the past and not allowing the sport to move forward (BTW I have an A level in sports nutrition so I understand very much about doping, before you ask)
Positive is positive what ever the amount.0 -
Contador can't be positive. According to him "The use of illegal substances is history." Yeah, right... :roll:
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Or perhaps trace remains from earlier use...deal wrote:Marginal gains... 0 -
Contador was involved in Operation Puerto, he managed to compete side by side with Rasmussen when the specialist mountain climber was so doped his eyeballs literally bulged!
I don't care if Contador failed by a hairline amount of dope, it is dope, it is not naturally produced and part of the reason it is used is both because it clears quick as Victor Conte states but also because if detected although you will get a ban with good pr it is always possible to implant doubt due to the possibility of ingesting contaminated meat.
This is a great day for cycling, the only aspect that is a shame is that the new winner of le Tour also has that murky I ingest narcotics look to him as well.
Bye Bye Bertie, don't let the door smack you on the ass on the way out ... Oh and enjoy the Specialized Smackdown as your ruthless American uber bike company gives you the corporate finger!0 -
neeb wrote:Top of the sports news on Radio 4's News Briefing this morning. All summer I've been fuming at the complete lack of any cycling coverage, now as soon as there is something negative to say it is in the headlines. Could this have anything to do with Sky's focus on cycling and BBC / Sky rivalries?
As regards AC's guilt or otherwise, surely it's too early to say. Both accidental and intentional ingestion are quite plausible explanations at this stage, taking all of the known factors and background into consideration. Insufficient data to compute.
i slipped and accidentally ingested Clenbuterol
he would have to have been spiked or he ate a race horse..
he should if he is telling the truth be able to track down the meal and then the source of the meat."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Neil Buckley wrote:Only been in this sport two years but jesus, i've never know so many cynical people not allowing the past to stay in the past and not allowing the sport to move forward (BTW I have an A level in sports nutrition so I understand very much about doping, before you ask)
We're cynical because of the past - but riders continue to get busted in the present - and often after super-human performances. Contador is a rider that seems to good to be true at times and has been linked to doping in the past (Puerto).
Maybe it's all innocent. But the sport cannot 'move forward' until all doping practices are firmly stamped out of the sport. Which will probably never happen. But every time someone is caught - the sport gets closer to being cleaner - and THAT...is progress.0 -
What's the betting on a year ban, backdated to le Tour to keep WADA happy? He can't slide because WADA would take em to CAS___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
I bet Bert wishes they'd still been using the Chatenay-Malbray testing facility nr Paris, instead of this super technical place in Cologne !!
And just as Bordry has resigned as well. No limelight for him or his old lab !"There are no hills, there is no wind, I feel no pain !"
"A bad day on the bike is always better than a good day in the office !"0 -
Its OK bud. We all have a rant now and then. Who am I to talk.bsm2dj wrote:Touche! Can I upgrade???0 -
calvjones wrote:What's the betting on a year ban, backdated to le Tour to keep WADA happy? He can't slide because WADA would take em to CAS
train wrecked the tour gotta go..."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
calvjones wrote:What's the betting on a year ban, backdated to le Tour to keep WADA happy? He can't slide because WADA would take em to CAS
Any ban will be catastrophic for him in terms of sponsorship etc. I'm sure Riis won't be happy having just agreed a multi million Euro deal with him and Saxo bank will be even less impressed.
He'll have to use every Euro he has to fight this through the courts.0 -
BikingBernie wrote:
If his earlier samples had been tested for Clenbuterol and were clean, and if the UCI's report as to the concentration levels are accurate this would leave open the possibility that doping was not involved. I will await Kleber's link before passing further judgment.Pokerface wrote:
And as you know a lot about doping practices (from your posts), what does this indicate to you?Kléber wrote:
Apparently earlier samples were clean, and the sample the day after the positive test recorded a dose about half the size.BikingBernie wrote:Perhaps the supposedly low concentrations found are traces left over from his pre-race 'preparation'. I wonder if any of his earlier samples were tested for Clenbuterol, or will be? Perhaps this cannot be done if the 'A' sample has already been used.
I wonder if this was a certain Texan you would be so lenient in your judgement...0 -
Have you got the figures to back that up? How common trace amounts of this substance are in a complete range of foodstuffs and supplements (bearing in mind the extremely small levels detected)? I'm not saying that he is or is not guilty, I just find it the lack of objectivity depressing.he would have to have been spiked or he ate a race horse..0
