Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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Meenaghman
Can't rustle up the enthusiasm for this anymoo-re.
Well done though
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Not sure if it changes anything, but...
"The report gives the concentration of Clenbuterol in the Spaniard's sample as 50 picograms/ml, a value 40 times (not 400 as stated by the UCI) below the value that the laboratory should be able to detect."0 -
Yup, we as cyclists should be p1ssed off with the system for the cack-handed way it's dealt with the matter.0
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Maybe it was homeopathic doping 0
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meenaghman wrote:I can't believe that a professional cycling team
1. stays in a hotel where the food is not of sufficient calibre
2. just calls out to get a steak.
I don't buy the "steakaway" . Its a bit of a rump story even though I herd it on the news. I think there moo-re to this than meats the rib-eye. I think its a bit of an ox-tail.
I'll get my leather ..
+1 and I never give those kinds of marks.
Levity is good in tense situations, still, Contador certainly is steaking his reputation at the moment on his argument. I'd like to see him get by but I don't care to see him granted favourable treatment but justice.0 -
sorry if this has been posted before... Damsgaard is rather damning:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5844/ ... react.aspx
“If the data is correct then it’s most likely that it is a ‘Landis’,” Damsgaard told Danish TV station TV2 via SMS. “It would suggest that he has received a transfusion of his own blood, taken out a few months earlier when he used clenbuterol, which he has gotten back into his body.”0 -
And from the same article:
“The main thing I see is the low dose found in Contador’s urine,” he told RMC. “When I see 50 picos [picograms] it’s nothing, it’s 500 to 1000 times less than the doses found in doping cases. For me, it cannot be intentional, it’s a case of contamination.”
Professor Michel Audrun, one of the founders of the UCI’s Biological Passport system
Audrun acknowledges that clenbuterol has been used in the peloton in the past, but claims that its deliberate use by Contador was unlikely. “… because it is detectible,” he said, “it cannot be masked like other products. A pretender to the Tour does not use clenbuterol, and Contador did not win the Tour with it.”Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:“The main thing I see is the low dose found in Contador’s urine,” he told RMC. “When I see 50 picos [picograms] it’s nothing, it’s 500 to 1000 times less than the doses found in doping cases. For me, it cannot be intentional, it’s a case of contamination.”
Professor Michel Audrun, one of the founders of the UCI’s Biological Passport system
Audrun acknowledges that clenbuterol has been used in the peloton in the past, but claims that its deliberate use by Contador was unlikely. “… because it is detectible,” he said, “it cannot be masked like other products. A pretender to the Tour does not use clenbuterol, and Contador did not win the Tour with it.”
The trouble is that the "no one is that stupid, surely!" defence that Audrun is using doesn't really cut it in pro-cycling... it's been shown time and time again that people really are that stupid. I'm not saying that contamination is impossible, but it simply isn't a good line of defence to say "surely not!".0 -
Think about something - the idea that he could have this amount in his blood due to eating meat seems far fetched to most. Why? Simply because this is not somethng we hear about, it seems alien because we cannot relate it to what we know. But what do we know about this? Nothing really. Who knows, we could easily have 100 picos in us right now due to that steak we ate last night.
In other words, the disbelief is founded on unfamiliarity. That is not a firm stance.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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Sure but then any rider with this in their system is going to show up in a urine test. How come others haven't been rumbled?frenchfighter wrote:Who knows, we could easily have 100 picos in us right now due to that steak we ate last night.
In other words, the disbelief is founded on unfamiliarity. That is not a firm stance.0 -
Love the way photo journos always bias their photos when they want to!
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frenchfighter wrote:Think about something - the idea that he could have this amount in his blood due to eating meat seems far fetched to most. Why? Simply because this is not somethng we hear about, it seems alien because we cannot relate it to what we know. But what do we know about this? Nothing really. Who knows, we could easily have 100 picos in us right now due to that steak we ate last night.
In other words, the disbelief is founded on unfamiliarity. That is not a firm stance.
A steak from Spain while riding in France.
It doesn't pass the giggle test.
Did he wash it down with a Jack Daniels?0 -
I'm surprised he ate steak at all. Isn't lean white meat, fish and pasta the dieticians choice?
Its a long time since the days of Anquitel gobbling down a haunch of vension before an important stage.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Think about something - the idea that he could have this amount in his blood due to eating meat seems far fetched to most. Why? Simply because this is not somethng we hear about, it seems alien because we cannot relate it to what we know. But what do we know about this? Nothing really. Who knows, we could easily have 100 picos in us right now due to that steak we ate last night.
In other words, the disbelief is founded on unfamiliarity. That is not a firm stance.
PokerFace summed it up well pages back:Pokerface wrote:
I really want to believe he is innocent.
But the whole story is just too far-fetched. It just smacks of being made up.
• It could ONLY have come from some tainted meat
• That was brought in from Spain by a friend
• And the ONLY other person from the team that got tested at the same time was Vino
• Who conveniently didn't eat any of the meat 'cause he had already eaten
(The whole story neatly wraps everything up in a bow to explain why no other rider on Astana or any other team tested positive. It's what a lawyer would call "reasonable doubt")
If you believe any of it at all of course.
I'd like Contador to be innocent of all this as someone wrote some pages back but it also appears a bit the way the Landis camp started bringing up the beer and Jack Daniels defence when they first looked at him.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:
Well after that paragon virtue has spoken, I'm convinced. Who's next for his defence Manolo Saiz?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
How did such a small amount get into his system?
He couldn't have taken tablets as they are 0.02mg each and would have been detected earlier in the Tour.
A blood transfusion would have been detected by the blood tests so unless he shaved a tablet and took it for no acknowledged performance benefit it would seem that the contaminated meat story is the most likely one.0 -
I'm kind of thinking that the contaminated meat theory is a likely one. Its the most boring, but thats usually the right answer in many cases.
If he was blood doping, then he was taking a big chance with the clenbuterol at the time. He could have been tested at any time ? Is there anything that gets rid of the drug instantly ?
I say inject a cow with the drug, then turn it into steaks, feed it to someone and test them to see if its a similar range. I have my knife and fork ready.0 -
Ok excuse my ignorance but if he had blood doped (as suggested by many as the main reason for the clen showing) wouldn't that have been picked up in tests?Contador is the Greatest0
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FJS wrote:iainf72 wrote:ARD reporting there were plasticisers in Berts blood.
Like, evidence of blood bag use or something.
And absolutely butchering the UCI/Pat : http://www.sportschau.de/sp/layout/jsp/ ... #mbContent (in German)
roughly: Pat lied - they asked Pat yesterday about this case, and he simply answered he knew nothing about all this. And one day later this press conference. They accuse UCI of giving Contador time to come up with an explanation and wanting to hush it all up.
And yes, suggestions of own-blood-transfusion ('weichmacher' - weak-makers?) in a test 1 day earlier, again, according to their doping-correspondent, not yet made public to brush it all under the carpet... followed by again a couple of times clearly accusing Pat McQuaid personally of lying
Interesting. We all know the UCI wants a clean tour at all costs so seems they were willing to hush this up like they have been accused of doing in the past0 -
No. Reinjecting well-stored samples of your own blood can't be detected.frenchfighter wrote:Ok excuse my ignorance but if he had blood doped (as suggested by many as the main reason for the clen showing) wouldn't that have been picked up in tests?
That's why Fuentes was able to work with so many riders for so long. Nobody could catch them, it took the police to burst into his clinic with a search warrant.0 -
was he the only member of the team to order the steak? Or just the only one tested?0
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“First of all we have to respect the rules. The rules are we have to wait until the B sample has gone over and then people can talk and discussion can go on. The rules have to be respected. I am the first one to respect this and I hope also the whole world will respect that."
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Contador's B sample has been tested BTW.0
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frenchfighter wrote:“First of all we have to respect the rules. The rules are we have to wait until the B sample has gone over and then people can talk and discussion can go on. The rules have to be respected. I am the first one to respect this and I hope also the whole world will respect that."
Cancellara
But the B sample is positive...
In fact this is one of very few cases I remember that have become public only after the B sample has been tested0 -
Both samples are positive.
I cannot see how he and his team will prove it was in the steak he ate.
I think he'll swallow a years ban.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Love the way photo journos always bais their photos when they want to!
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You seem to be into photography, and you're just realizing that? I seem to recall a few photos you posted showing other people in a "bad light". You didn't have any problems with that.
In any case he's guilty as hell. I saw it on the internet.0 -
Gazzaputt wrote:Both samples are positive.
I cannot see how he and his team will prove it was in the steak he ate.
I think he'll swallow a years ban.
Makes you wonder why these guys seem to want to come up with some excuse right away and then spout off about it? Why not a no comment until things are a bit clearer and you're starting to think straight again?0 -
Interesting to look at Li Fuyu's defence (http://www.cyclingnewsasia.com/en/news/ ... erts-agree):
"The value that was found in Li’s sample, was extremely low - actually ten to twenty times lower then a WADA/UCI laboratory can usually detect, according to anti-doping expert Douwe de Boer: “Laboratories must be able to find 1.00 ng/mL, while a normal threshold value is considered to be 2.00 ng/mL. The value of 0.05-0.10 ng/mL that was found in Fuyu Li’s body points clearly in the direction of a contamination. On top of that, such a low dose would not help his performance in any way.”
“I have no idea how the Clenbuterol came into my body. All I know is that I have never taken doping products in my entire career”, said Fuyu Li. “My role at team RadioShack was one of a humble helper, nothing more. I am 31 years old and I know I could not move up to a leading role in the team, I was just extremely honored to be selected for this team and tried to do my job right. I have won the China Games (the main national sports event in China) a couple of times, which makes me a famous sportsman in China. I have a lot to loose in China and nothing to prove anymore, in my country. There was no incentive for me to do something crazy like doping and I did not do that. Not now, not at any other moment in my career.”
Douwe de Boer states: “The extremely low value points in the direction of a contamination. Clenbuterol contaminations exist in food supplements and in meat. Clenbuterol is often used to improve the visible quality of meat. There have been several scandals in China, with Clenbuterol poisoning of people by eating heavily contaminated meat. My best guess would be that something like this caused Fuyu Li’s positive. I hope he will be treated fairly in his process in China."0 -
Kléber wrote:
No. Reinjecting well-stored samples of your own blood can't be detected.frenchfighter wrote:Ok excuse my ignorance but if he had blood doped (as suggested by many as the main reason for the clen showing) wouldn't that have been picked up in tests?
That's why Fuentes was able to work with so many riders for so long. Nobody could catch them, it took the police to burst into his clinic with a search warrant.
What was Vino done for?Contador is the Greatest0
