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  • Clever Pun
    Clever Pun Posts: 6,778
    cjcp wrote:
    So, what's the verdict on a good route home to avoid The Deluded Masses tomorrow night?

    head to the morpeth have a couple.. ready made excuse
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  • Wallace1492
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    The Pope has landed!!
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  • Wallace1492
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    Pope just leaving Edinburgh and needs to say Mass in Glasgow at 5.15.... Now if you have experienced the M8 you will know this is impossible....
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,355
    When the Pope gets to Glasgow, what ever time it may be, he just has to declare that's it's 5.15 and it will be.

    Must be handy being infallible.
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  • SimonAH
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    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Pope just leaving Edinburgh and needs to say Mass in Glasgow at 5.15.... Now if you have experienced the M8 you will know this is impossible....

    But can't he fly on the back of a Brazillian nun?
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  • tgotb
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    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Pope just leaving Edinburgh and needs to say Mass in Glasgow at 5.15.... Now if you have experienced the M8 you will know this is impossible....
    Yes, but when you and I travel on the M8 it's also open to other traffic...
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  • Clever Pun
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    is there some clever website that lets us know how the traffic will be blootered this evening?

    if someone links me to lmgtfy they will get biked in the face
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  • rjsterry
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    Did you not see the Met link on the SCR thread?
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  • Clever Pun
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    rjsterry wrote:
    Did you not see the Met link on the SCR thread?

    of course I did that's why I asked the question here.

    I've not checked the scr thread for a while now
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,411
    Sheesh, grumpy this morning!

    http://www.met.police.uk/events/event_m ... osures.pdf
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  • Clever Pun
    Clever Pun Posts: 6,778
    rjsterry wrote:
    Sheesh, grumpy this morning!

    http://www.met.police.uk/events/event_m ... osures.pdf

    cheers

    Not had my friday beer yet, got lots of work I've avoiding before my week off...
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,411
    Clever Pun wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Sheesh, grumpy this morning!

    http://www.met.police.uk/events/event_m ... osures.pdf

    cheers

    Not had my friday beer yet, got lots of work I've avoiding before my week off...

    Ditto. Fridays before holidays almost make the holiday seem not worth the bother. A client has just shoe-horned an hour and a half meeting into an already busy day.
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  • gtvlusso
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    The scoop.....

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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    rjsterry wrote:
    Clever Pun wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Sheesh, grumpy this morning!

    http://www.met.police.uk/events/event_m ... osures.pdf

    cheers

    Not had my friday beer yet, got lots of work I've avoiding before my week off...

    Ditto. Fridays before holidays almost make the holiday seem not worth the bother. A client has just shoe-horned an hour and a half meeting into an already busy day.

    That's the price of fame for you.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,411
    Eh?
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  • mybreakfastconsisted
    mybreakfastconsisted Posts: 1,018
    I'm going to London tomorrow to see the Holy Father. It's tremendously exciting.

    Apparently the 5 men arrested in London today are muslims...
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    rjsterry wrote:
    Eh?

    :lol: Clients demanding a meeting you. Means you're famous. Price of fame. And stuff.

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,411
    Pfft! More like the client expects us to drop everything to fit around them.
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  • jonginge
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    Evil pope:
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  • neiltb
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    mybreakfastconsisted wrote:
    I'm going to London tomorrow to see the Holy Father. It's tremendously exciting.

    Apparently the 5 men arrested in London today are muslims...

    tou would have thought it'd be those Nazi aetheists too.
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  • mybreakfastconsisted
    mybreakfastconsisted Posts: 1,018
    neiltb wrote:
    mybreakfastconsisted wrote:
    I'm going to London tomorrow to see the Holy Father. It's tremendously exciting.

    Apparently the 5 men arrested in London today are muslims...

    tou would have thought it'd be those Nazi aetheists too.

    Sigh.

    The pope didn't call atheists nazis.


    I would summarise the pope's letter as:

    1) UK = country with Christian heritage
    2) British Christians have done a lot of good in the world.
    3) Brits fought Nazis
    4) Nazis are bad.
    5) The horrors of the Nazi regime are what happens when you remove "God, religion, -and- virtue" from governance.
    6) Brits, both secular and religious solved the NI problem
    7) Part of the reason that Brits are so good and moral and great and wonderful is the contribution that the Christian faith has made over the generations.
    Hopefully that contribution won't be forgotten.

    The key word being "and".

    To read this letter as saying that Atheists = Nazis, requires:
    1) That you read 'god, religion, and virtue' as 'god and religion'
    2) That you read 'the more aggressive forms of secularism' as 'all atheists'
  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
    Nazis didn't remove God or Religion and Pope Pius wasn't too bothered about it at the time so I'm guessing the Vatican didn't see that much that wasn't virtuous.

    Where did we get to on the sweet / salt / butter popcorn discussion?
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  • mybreakfastconsisted
    mybreakfastconsisted Posts: 1,018
    Asprilla wrote:
    Nazis didn't remove God or Religion and Pope Pius wasn't too bothered about it at the time so I'm guessing the Vatican didn't see that much that wasn't virtuous.

    Where did we get to on the sweet / salt / butter popcorn discussion?

    The Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII. According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps.

    http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html

    The Archbishop of Munich, Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber, led the Catholic opposition in Germany against the Nazis.

    In an Advent 1933 sermon, he preached: "Let us not forget that we were saved not by German blood but by the blood of Christ!" in response to Nazi racism.

    In 1934 the Cardinal "narrowly missed a Nazi bullet", while in 1938 a Nazi mob broke the windows in his residence. Even though he was over seventy and in poor health, he still led the Catholic German resistance against Hitler.

    In Lent 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical "Mit brennender Sorge" (With burning sorrow) with the help of German bishops and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII). It was smuggled into Germany and read in all German Catholic churches at the same hour on Palm Sunday 1937.

    Pope Pius XII and many Catholics did not remain "silent." Could 860,000 Jewish lives be saved by "silent" indifference?

    http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html

    The Papal Encyclical "With Burning Anxiety" of March 1937 marked the Catholic Church as the first major international organisation to condemn Nazism at a time when Britain's policy towards Hitler was Appeasement.

    Within Germany resistance to the Nazis was led by promenent Church figures like Bishop Galen of Münster, who condemned the T4 programme from the pulpit.

    Pope Pius XII has been nominated to be listed as Righteous Among the Nations at the Yad Vashem for his efforts to save Jews during the war.
  • asprilla
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  • gtvlusso
    gtvlusso Posts: 5,112
    SimonAH wrote:
    Wallace1492 wrote:
    Pope just leaving Edinburgh and needs to say Mass in Glasgow at 5.15.... Now if you have experienced the M8 you will know this is impossible....

    But can't he fly on the back of a Brazillian nun?

    Too much "junk in the trunk" nowadays on thjose nuns.....I am sure he could pray his way there....

    Easier to just get the bus...
  • cjcp
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    mybreakfastconsisted wrote:
    7) Part of the reason that Brits are so good and moral and great and wonderful is the contribution that the Christian faith has made over the generations.
    Hopefully that contribution won't be forgotten.

    Out of interest, when do you say this contribution started?
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    mybreakfastconsisted wrote:
    Sigh.

    The pope didn't call atheists nazis.


    I would summarise the pope's letter as:

    1) UK = country with Christian heritage
    2) British Christians have done a lot of good in the world.
    3) Brits fought Nazis
    4) Nazis are bad.
    4A) He used to be one.
    4B) He has a long standing grudge against Brits because they won.
    5) The horrors of the Nazi regime are what happens when you remove "God, religion, -and- virtue" from governance.
    6) Brits, both secular and religious solved the NI problem
    7) Part of the reason that Brits are so good and moral and great and wonderful is the contribution that the Christian faith has made over the generations.
    Hopefully that contribution won't be forgotten.

    Fixed that.

    5) is a bit simplistic.
    6) discounts the contribution of the Irish.
    7) is the usual clumsy sleight of hand "and it's all down to religion" that you hear every day on Thought For The Day.
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  • gtvlusso
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    cjcp wrote:
    mybreakfastconsisted wrote:
    7) Part of the reason that Brits are so good and moral and great and wonderful is the contribution that the Christian faith has made over the generations.
    Hopefully that contribution won't be forgotten.

    Out of interest, when do you say this contribution started?

    3000 years of beautiful history; from Moses to Sandy Koufax.....oh sorry, thats Jewish......

    I am moral without religion.....please don't label me as "athiest" as I don't care enough to be an athiest! Surely this is down to education, loving families/upbringing and diverse culture?!
  • Wallace1492
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    mybreakfastconsisted wrote:
    6) Brits, both secular and religious solved the NI problem
    7) Part of the reason that Brits are so good and moral and great and wonderful is the contribution that the Christian faith has made over the generations.
    Hopefully that contribution won't be forgotten.

    Hmmmm Didn't 6) get started by so called christians?

    And as for 7), Didn't we lead Crusades that slaughtered thousands/millions in the name of God/Christianity?

    Morality has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity or any religion. There is an intrinsic right and wrong that we can agree about as a society.

    Religion promotes hate, differences and serves the selfishness of a few. It is clutched at by those who cannot comtemplate that our lives are but a brief flash in the pan.
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  • mybreakfastconsisted
    mybreakfastconsisted Posts: 1,018
    Anyone who says the pope was a nazi is as thick as Barry White's sxxt on Boxing Day.

    Hitlerjugend membership was compulsory- resistance to the nazis was possible but could have resulted in the torture and death of you and your family.

    I'm sure you would have stood up to the nazis?

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