Incoming - tube strike

Snorebens

Hey, why's all you peeps arguing? Our London Mayor promised no more strikes and 24hr manned stations too so why stress !

Eh? Oh....

lost_in_thought

ketsbaia wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Ketsbaia - what percentage of the total staff of that nature is the 800 that are not being replaced?

It's difficult to say as the consultation is ongoing during the dispute and natural wastage is hard to calculate.

In fact, there's no way I can put a figure on it. And even if I wanted to, I doubt I'd get access to exact figures either.

800 expressed as a percentage of the current workforce? I mean, I have no idea how many people do this job. Sorry, bad explanation before.

metalmonkey

I bet they went on strike becasue Boris wanted more ppl to use his bikes the racks were totally empty in most placed I passed today...

The knock on effect was that the roads were over loaded with car drivers, motorcyclist, cyclist and anyone else that doesn't use travel in London casuing total chaos every where not a nice ride in any way. I did here lots LAS vehicles trying to get through all of that, maybe it was to pick up the mess.

Oh all the people stood at the bus stopped looked like this :x :twisted: I did think of yelling this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auhZ23yGcno

Well until the next one...

tailwindhome

Greg66 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Couldn't be bothered reading the thread.

Has Porgy turned up yet? Or is he still lurking?

Secondary picketing. He'll be long a bit later to moan at how the police picked especially on him.

I can't be arsed to read all of this. From what I got from a high speed skim, it's the Socialist Worker subscribers' alliance vs right minded people. As usual. Right?

I look forward to the issue which pits right minded people against hard working families.

I'd get the Sky back in just to see that on PPV.

cjcp

Anyone know if Bob Crow worked from home today?

Stevo_666

cjcp wrote:

Anyone know if Bob Crow worked from home today?

Apparently he was spotted somewhere in London drinking coffee and watching the chaos that he and his posse of knuckle dragging twunts had inflicted on commuters. If he is an employee of LU, management should sack the tw@t just for the fun of it.

snailracer

I am rather suprised this thread has gone to 11 pages. After all, us commuting cyclists float serenely above it all...

notsoblue

TailWindHome wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Couldn't be bothered reading the thread.

Has Porgy turned up yet? Or is he still lurking?

Secondary picketing. He'll be long a bit later to moan at how the police picked especially on him.

I can't be arsed to read all of this. From what I got from a high speed skim, it's the Socialist Worker subscribers' alliance vs right minded people. As usual. Right?

I look forward to the issue which pits right minded people against hard working families.

I'd get the Sky back in just to see that on PPV.

Lol! The ultimate rhetorical showdown...

Porgy

biondino wrote:

Ban the tube from striking and you see what happens to wages. Soon the only people who'll take the jobs are the ones too incapable to do anything else. Not sure I want them looking after my safety.

Christ, do any of you nimby bastards actually think your arguments through? Workers rights are a GOOD THING. But no, you're all so focused on a) yourself and b) the micro-short term that you'd have a more or less fair system crumble to dust because you have to get the f*cking bus once in a while.

This is probably the best post of the thread.

Porgy

Stevo 666 wrote:

cjcp wrote:

Anyone know if Bob Crow worked from home today?

Apparently he was spotted somewhere in London drinking coffee and watching the chaos that he and his posse of knuckle dragging twunts had inflicted on commuters. If he is an employee of LU, management should sack the tw@t just for the fun of it.

Point of order: he's an employee of the RMT

Porgy

Greg66 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Couldn't be bothered reading the thread.

Has Porgy turned up yet? Or is he still lurking?

Secondary picketing. He'll be long a bit later to moan at how the police picked especially on him.

I can't be arsed to read all of this. From what I got from a high speed skim, it's the Socialist Worker subscribers' alliance vs right minded people. As usual. Right? And the Union is bitching and moaning about safety, but wants at least as much money for its members as previously, if not more. Because better paid employees provide better safety standards, obv - that's a well known direct connection. And (I assume) the current staffing levels are already pared to the bone after years and years of Labour "you can have a job too" credo. So not a single employee can be lost.without compromising the safety standards of THE ENTIRE TUBE NETWORK!!! "Making me redundant is like murdering a passenger".

What a load of old tosh.

This is all about a Union throwing its weight around to make itself important in the Labour leader contest. That fat shite Crow should be chucked under one of his beloved tubes. Except he'd probably squash it against the ceiling of the tunnel.

I have left the RMT and joined a more "reasonable" union. Before that I left the Labour Party in 1990 and joined the Green Party after campaigning for years against extremism. I've consistently made it clear that I am no longer a "lefty"; I have never gone on strike, do not support secondary picketing or violence, and still the moronic comments from Gregg66. In fact secondary picketing is illegal and would in this case have to be carried out by someone other than London Underground employees. So it didn;t even make sense. But then that never stops you.

Greg - when it suits you you paint me as a jack booted bully boy - then at other times you decide i'm some sort of hippy, be-sandaled dolphin loving, tree hugging nature boy in a hemp shirt and munching carrots. You need to make your mind up what ridiculous stereotype you think I am and then stick with it. I'm neither of course - but I wouldn't want to ruin your little bit of innocent fun.

And on another point: TSSA the white collar union of travel workers also went on strike. Bob Crowe has no influence over TSSA. TSSA rarely strike and never "throw their weight around" in the manner of the RMT. However, most news reports seem not to mention this as it doesn;t fit into their neat little Bob Crowe demonisation version of events.

Fact is - this strike was put to the ballot and the majority of those who voted, voted to strike. If you don't like it then lobby your mp to change the rules to make it even harder to strike - or lump it....and please stop whinging - it's tedious in the extreme.

By the way - I though your analysis was really sophisticated - that was a really mature piece of prose you presented there. Well done!

DonDaddyD

lost_in_thought wrote:

ketsbaia wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Ketsbaia - what percentage of the total staff of that nature is the 800 that are not being replaced?

It's difficult to say as the consultation is ongoing during the dispute and natural wastage is hard to calculate.

In fact, there's no way I can put a figure on it. And even if I wanted to, I doubt I'd get access to exact figures either.

800 expressed as a percentage of the current workforce? I mean, I have no idea how many people do this job. Sorry, bad explanation before.

This is a good point, 800 sounds a lot and neither party are giving a comparative figure as part of their justification/counter argument i.e:

Its only 10% of the workforce

Or

800 out of 2000 workers is too many

This all leads me to believe that no matter how justified the job cuts through natural wastage is, the figure of 800 was written on the back of a fag packet by some top Tube boss too lazy to really do the maths or communicate the logic behind the decision.

tailwindhome

Porgy wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Couldn't be bothered reading the thread.

Has Porgy turned up yet? Or is he still lurking?

Secondary picketing. He'll be long a bit later to moan at how the police picked especially on him.

and still the moronic comments from Gregg66

My work here is done.

W1

Porgy wrote:

i'm some sort of hippy, be-sandaled dolphin loving, tree hugging nature boy in a hemp shirt and munching carrots.

/end of thread. Again.

kurako

Traffic was a bee-atch this morning too. Not as bad as yesterday but from Clapham onwards was pretty horrible. Did all those people like sitting in their cars so much they decided to do it again?

jds_1981

Kurako wrote:

Traffic was a bee-atch this morning too. Not as bad as yesterday but from Clapham onwards was pretty horrible. Did all those people like sitting in their cars so much they decided to do it again?

Same coming from north London. I had the same thought this morning too.

lost_in_thought

DonDaddyD wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

ketsbaia wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Ketsbaia - what percentage of the total staff of that nature is the 800 that are not being replaced?

It's difficult to say as the consultation is ongoing during the dispute and natural wastage is hard to calculate.

In fact, there's no way I can put a figure on it. And even if I wanted to, I doubt I'd get access to exact figures either.

800 expressed as a percentage of the current workforce? I mean, I have no idea how many people do this job. Sorry, bad explanation before.

This is a good point, 800 sounds a lot and neither party are giving a comparative figure as part of their justification/counter argument i.e:

Its only 10% of the workforce

Or

800 out of 2000 workers is too many

Well, that's my point exactly DDD, we don't know whether there are currently 1600 people doing this job, or 80,000.

The way the RMT are going on about it you'd think only 801 people did the job...

Sewinman

Given the total number of tube stations I think TFL would have a good case for a few cuts if there were 80,000 doing the job.

lost_in_thought

Sewinman wrote:

Given the total number of tube stations I think TFL would have a good case for a few cuts if there were 80,000 doing the job.

Yes indeedy.

greg66_tri_v2.0

Here comes the little fishy... hook!

Porgy wrote:

I have left the RMT and joined a more "reasonable" union.

You think the RMT is a reasonable union?

Porgy wrote:

Before that I left the Labour Party in 1990 and joined the Green Party

Hello? The Greens are where all the old unreconstructed lefties live now. They know that Green politics remains their best option for ass-raping as much tax out of the general population as they can.

Porgy wrote:

I am no longer a "lefty";

Yes you are. You're just in that Egyptian river over it.

Porgy wrote:

the moronic comments from Gregg66.

Your greatest debating skill. And so easily and quickly played! Chapeau!

Porgy wrote:

In fact secondary picketing is illegal

Really? Wow. Who'd've thunk? And there was me suggesting that the police would have been intimidating a lawful protest. Deeeeerrrrr me!

Porgy wrote:

when it suits you you paint me as a jack booted bully boy

Ah, no, Porgy, me ol' mucker. No one could ever accuse you of being a bully boy. You're one of life's victims. In fact, I sometimes wonder whether you're not life's biggest victim.

Porgy wrote:

Fact is - this strike was put to the ballot and the majority of those who voted, voted to strike. If you don't like it then lobby your mp to change the rules to make it even harder to strike - or lump it....and please stop whinging - it's tedious in the extreme.

What an odd view: either shut up, or get the law changed. But expressing a view as to the selfishness or true motives for a union's conduct is verboten. Any other opinions we shouldn't express, lest they infringe your sensibilities?

notsoblue

Ad hominem attacks on forums are boring

georgee

Bob Crow naturally is a director of the RMT's pension fund so his home address is published in their accounts/financial records, I am at least thinking of sending hima christmas card but I wonder if people bitterly opposed to his action have interest in it, surely the man is heading in that direction?

Greg T

notsoblue wrote:

Ad hominem attacks on forums are boring

You would say that

jzed

I am writing to let you know that the RMT and TSSA unions have called a 24 hour Tube strike. If the strike goes ahead, there is likely to be disruption to Tube services from the evening of Tuesday 2 November and throughout Wednesday 3 November.

We expect all other TfL services, including London Overground, DLR and Tramlink, to run as normal, but they may be busier than usual. In addition, extra Bus and River services will be in operation. Cycling or walking may also be practical options for many.

For the latest information, visit tfl.gov.uk, which is now available in a mobile format, or check local news and travel reports.

Its that time again - another Tube Strike - loads of inexperienced cyclists with no lights invading the dark streets - nothing like a bit of extra spice to the journey.

nich

JZed wrote:

I am writing to let you know that the RMT and TSSA unions have called a 24 hour Tube strike. If the strike goes ahead, there is likely to be disruption to Tube services from the evening of Tuesday 2 November and throughout Wednesday 3 November.

We expect all other TfL services, including London Overground, DLR and Tramlink, to run as normal, but they may be busier than usual. In addition, extra Bus and River services will be in operation. Cycling or walking may also be practical options for many.

For the latest information, visit tfl.gov.uk, which is now available in a mobile format, or check local news and travel reports.

Its that time again - another Tube Strike - loads of inexperienced cyclists with no lights invading the dark streets - nothing like a bit of extra spice to the journey.

Thanks.

I just mentioned this to my work colleagues who forgot. I shall now sit back and watch the anger fly in the knowledge that my trusty ole steed will get me to work on time 8)

lost_in_thought

*sigh

The strikers have impeccable timing. Yet again they have managed to arrange their strike to coincide with a day when I have to drive to work. Brilliant.

What are they moping about this time? Was a person fired again? :roll:

jzed

lost_in_thought wrote:

*sigh

The strikers have impeccable timing. Yet again they have managed to arrange their strike to coincide with a day when I have to drive to work. Brilliant.

What are they moping about this time? Was a person fired again? :roll:

Couldn't be bothered with generating a new reason so striking over the same 800 jobs.

W1

lost_in_thought wrote:

*sigh

The strikers have impeccable timing. Yet again they have managed to arrange their strike to coincide with a day when I have to drive to work. Brilliant.

What are they moping about this time? Was a person fired again? :roll:

Probably for opening the doors on the wrong side or getting the forward/backwards button confused.

Still, at least the commies will lose even more public support whilst attempting to blackmail the capital so they can protect their jobs/income/incompetence.

jzed

Maybe they are striking as there has been a cap on housing benefits.......

electric_blue

W1 wrote:

[so they can protect their jobs/income/incompetence.

OK - back that up!!