Incoming - tube strike

jzed

electric_blue wrote:

JZed wrote:

electric_blue wrote:

W1 wrote:

[so they can protect their jobs/income/incompetence.

OK - back that up!!

And

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23866764-runaway-tube-train-travels-three-miles-on-london-underground.do

Contractors didn't follow procedure - that's an easy one. 8)

Even if it wasn't tube employees responsible for all these incidents, its hardly the fault of the passengers that there is a need for job cuts. Its the passengers who bear the brunt of the transport unions going on strike over and over again. The unions should look to the party they funded who squandered the taxpayers money and left us in the situation were there is a need for widespread cuts just to keep the country afloat.

electric_blue

JZed wrote:

electric_blue wrote:

JZed wrote:

electric_blue wrote:

W1 wrote:

[so they can protect their jobs/income/incompetence.

OK - back that up!!

And

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23866764-runaway-tube-train-travels-three-miles-on-london-underground.do

Contractors didn't follow procedure - that's an easy one. 8)

Even if it wasn't tube employees responsible for all these incidents, its hardly the fault of the passengers that there is a need for job cuts. Its the passengers who bear the brunt of the transport unions going on strike over and over again. The unions should look to the party they funded who squandered the taxpayers money and left us in the situation were there is a need for widespread cuts just to keep the country afloat.

ok that's a very amusing satire of a coalition supporter.

jzed

electric_blue wrote:

JZed wrote:

electric_blue wrote:

JZed wrote:

electric_blue wrote:

W1 wrote:

[so they can protect their jobs/income/incompetence.

OK - back that up!!

And

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23866764-runaway-tube-train-travels-three-miles-on-london-underground.do

Contractors didn't follow procedure - that's an easy one. 8)

Even if it wasn't tube employees responsible for all these incidents, its hardly the fault of the passengers that there is a need for job cuts. Its the passengers who bear the brunt of the transport unions going on strike over and over again. The unions should look to the party they funded who squandered the taxpayers money and left us in the situation were there is a need for widespread cuts just to keep the country afloat.

ok that's a very amusing satire of a coalition supporter.

Politicians are all as bad as each other, as are Unions. They are all self-serving. I just stated two facts 1) it is the passengers in an over-crowded city who will feel the brunt of the strike and 2) there are widespread cuts affecting the whole country - because of the Government of the day and the banks. Would the situation have been the same with another government. Probably but to the same extent - I doubt it - but we'll never know.

badwolf

electric_blue wrote:

enough of this side-track.

*groan*

Wrath Rob

Separated at birth: electric_blue / Bob Crowe



:twisted:

W1

electric_blue wrote:

W1 wrote:

electric_blue wrote:

you don't know if i'm in a union - i haven't told you i am.

Are you or aren't you?

I'm not going to say. I believe we should be able to have a reasonable discussion about the issues without personalising it.

Can you?

It completey changes your perspective and opinion (both "personal") so of course it goes to the heart of the discussion.

Anyway, we'llt take that as a yes then (you may as well have just said "yes").

Why aren't you striking?

jds_1981

W1 wrote:

It completey changes your perspective and opinion (both "personal") so of course it goes to the heart of the discussion.

Anyway, we'llt take that as a yes then (you may as well have just said "yes").

Why aren't you striking?

Probably a different union?

jzed

Was pleasantly surprised with the standard of cycling this morning. Were a few more people on the roads but they seemed happy to keep left, file in behind at traffic lights. Suppose the more the Unions strike the more experienced the additional cyclists are getting.

Lets see what its like in the dark tonight......

Clever Pun

JZed wrote:

Was pleasantly surprised with the standard of cycling this morning. Were a few more people on the roads but they seemed happy to keep left, file in behind at traffic lights. Suppose the more the Unions strike the more experienced the additional cyclists are getting.

Lets see what its like in the dark tonight......

the strike starts late tonight... it's wednesday that will have the traffic clusterfu<k

notsoblue

Clever Pun wrote:

JZed wrote:

Was pleasantly surprised with the standard of cycling this morning. Were a few more people on the roads but they seemed happy to keep left, file in behind at traffic lights. Suppose the more the Unions strike the more experienced the additional cyclists are getting.

Lets see what its like in the dark tonight......

the strike starts late tonight... it's wednesday that will have the traffic clusterfu<k

Oh great, Wednesday, the motorcycle parking protest will just add to the fun then.

lost_in_thought

notsoblue wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

JZed wrote:

Was pleasantly surprised with the standard of cycling this morning. Were a few more people on the roads but they seemed happy to keep left, file in behind at traffic lights. Suppose the more the Unions strike the more experienced the additional cyclists are getting.

Lets see what its like in the dark tonight......

the strike starts late tonight... it's wednesday that will have the traffic clusterfu<k

Oh great, Wednesday, the motorcycle parking protest will just add to the fun then.

Woohooo! I'm in Berlin!

Oh and welcome back Porgy. What's the rules on new aliases for banned people?

soundninjauk

electric_blue wrote:

blimey - the assumptions people make.

electric_blue wrote:

I don;t rely on anyone to tell me what to think - unlike most ES readers.

I lol'd.

cjcp

notsoblue wrote:

Clever Pun wrote:

JZed wrote:

Was pleasantly surprised with the standard of cycling this morning. Were a few more people on the roads but they seemed happy to keep left, file in behind at traffic lights. Suppose the more the Unions strike the more experienced the additional cyclists are getting.

Lets see what its like in the dark tonight......

the strike starts late tonight... it's wednesday that will have the traffic clusterfu<k

Oh great, Wednesday, the motorcycle parking protest will just add to the fun then.

Bugger.

W1

If the RMT is striking for safety rather than jobs, then I wonder what would happen if there was a proposal which improved safety but decreased staff levels which TFL refused to implement. Would the RMT go on strike then?

notsoblue

W1 wrote:

If the RMT is striking for safety rather than jobs, then I wonder what would happen if there was a proposal which improved safety but decreased staff levels which TFL refused to implement. Would the RMT go on strike then?

Probably. They're striking now primarily because of jobs. I'm sure the safety angle is still valid, but given how much of a PR battle industrial action like this is, you can understand why they're making more of that than their jobs.

cjcp

notsoblue wrote:

W1 wrote:

If the RMT is striking for safety rather than jobs, then I wonder what would happen if there was a proposal which improved safety but decreased staff levels which TFL refused to implement. Would the RMT go on strike then?

Probably. They're striking now primarily because of jobs. I'm sure the safety angle is still valid, but given how much of a PR battle industrial action like this is, you can understand why they're making more of that than their jobs.

No. It's because it's sunny. They've all taken "personal days".

MonkeyMonster

cjcp wrote:

No. It's because it's sunny. They've all taken "personal days".

it IS sunny! Very nice too bar playing dodgems with the naughty leaves on the racetrack!

lastant

Are the strikes a good thing for London cycling as a whole?

I've had a bit of a ramble on my blog, but do think that the more frequent they are the more chance we've got of our numbers increasing...

Anyone else think the same?

W1

lastant wrote:

Are the strikes a good thing for London cycling as a whole?

I've had a bit of a ramble on my blog, but do think that the more frequent they are the more chance we've got of our numbers increasing...

Anyone else think the same?

If they get more people onto their bikes, of course they are good for cycling. Of course that doesn't make them "good" in general. Don't forget the 7/7 bombings got a lot of people onto their bikes, but no-one would argue that they were "good".....

notsoblue

W1 wrote:

lastant wrote:

Are the strikes a good thing for London cycling as a whole?

I've had a bit of a ramble on my blog, but do think that the more frequent they are the more chance we've got of our numbers increasing...

Anyone else think the same?

If they get more people onto their bikes, of course they are good for cycling. Of course that doesn't make them "good" in general. Don't forget the 7/7 bombings got a lot of people onto their bikes, but no-one would argue that they were "good".....

Every silver lining, eh W1? :P

If it highlights cycling as another (and surprisingly convenient) method of commuting for people who may not have considered it seriously before, then its a good thing for cycling in London. The more its normalised, the better.

lastant

W1 wrote:

If they get more people onto their bikes, of course they are good for cycling. Of course that doesn't make them "good" in general. Don't forget the 7/7 bombings got a lot of people onto their bikes, but no-one would argue that they were "good".....

I did mean it in a sense of getting people onto their bikes, in much the same way you've said on the 'Bugger! Tube Strike!' thread...

...which I didn't see until after posting on here, sorry!

W1

notsoblue wrote:

W1 wrote:

lastant wrote:

Are the strikes a good thing for London cycling as a whole?

I've had a bit of a ramble on my blog, but do think that the more frequent they are the more chance we've got of our numbers increasing...

Anyone else think the same?

If they get more people onto their bikes, of course they are good for cycling. Of course that doesn't make them "good" in general. Don't forget the 7/7 bombings got a lot of people onto their bikes, but no-one would argue that they were "good".....

Every silver lining, eh W1? :P

If it highlights cycling as another (and surprisingly convenient) method of commuting for people who may not have considered it seriously before, then its a good thing for cycling in London. The more its normalised, the better.

I don't want to give the impression that I'm supporting the strikes, even if they are to the benefit of cycling in London (which I do support).

notsoblue

W1 wrote:

I don't want to give the impression that I'm supporting the strikes, even if they are to the benefit of cycling in London (which I do support).

Yeah, because having a nuanced opinion is like having none at all, right? :P

W1

notsoblue wrote:

W1 wrote:

I don't want to give the impression that I'm supporting the strikes, even if they are to the benefit of cycling in London (which I do support).

Yeah, because having a nuanced opinion is like having none at all, right? :P

You are being mischevous today!

I simply don't want to appear to be contradicting myself.....

OK?