A shaggy dog story
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bails87 wrote:.blitz
If your dog does stuff like that, it shouldn't be off a lead.
and this is the whole crux of the issue for me.
a well behaved dog is a brilliant thing but as mentioned earlier in the thread, they are animals who in the long run will do as they want, even pro dog handlers find this. if a dog is supposed to be serching for someting when one of the lads breaks out a sandwich, it is almost impossible to get the hound (especially chocolate labs for some reason) to do as it is supposed.
the secet to good ownership in my experience is to keep your dog on a lead until it is in an area iin which there are no distractions. we can take our old dog anywhere without a lead, guaranteed, he is so well behaved, so disciplined its a joy to own him, however, when we see cyclists and runners about, we put him on a lead just in case. the rotty, poppy is only 18 moths old o is properly exciteable, anything moving quickly grabs her attention so we have to be alot more considerate about hen we let her off the lead as opposed to when we put her on. especially as her breed makes people wet their pissy little knickers for some unknown reason.
there does need t be a balance of understanding between all users of an area where dogs could be.
i wouldnt take my dogs onto specific cycle tracks, that would be asking fo trouble. but if im on a bridleway and someone comes joggin along, they need to realise i need a brief moment to recall my dogs and put them on their leads, we have as much right to be there as anyone. if someone cycles past, they need to appreciate the same and i will keep up my end of the deal by having my dogs close enough to be able to recover them in less than a few seconds.
there are a lot fo cyclists here who think tey own the countryside, hve you considered my dogs dont want you noisy clattering buzzing hunks of metal rushing past them? would you hurtle past a horse and rider with gay abandon? i doubt it, i thnk you should pay the same respect to hounds when out and about.0 -
Dogs off leads and chasing cyclists is always going to happen, not much can be done about it as many people are simply too irresponsible to be dog owners and train them properly. Many people simply don't understand what a huge responsibilty a dog is.
Hot tip: If a dog is chasing you wait until it gets closer (preferably not when its attached to your ankle though) and bark really loudly, and I mean REALLY LOUDLY!
I learnt this from a friend, who barked so loudly I ended up in a hedge as I hadn't seen the dog and wasn't expecting him to make such a loud noise! AlI I saw was the dog bolting at high speed away from us. I have tried it since and it definitely works, never tried shouting at a dog but im sure it will have the same affect.
PS I've since started moo'ing at cows and baa'ing at sheep, not loudly of course - more as an attempt to engage the beast in conversation than anything else, and becasue it amuses me. Not so much riding mates though...
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The point is, as was made earlier in the thread:sheepsteeth wrote:there are a lot fo cyclists here who think tey own the countryside, hve you considered my dogs dont want you noisy clattering buzzing hunks of metal rushing past them?they're releasing their dog into a public shared area it's up to them to keep it out of everybody else's way, not for everybody else to put up with it.0 -
i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?0
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J L wrote:Bang on stubs
I was on the beach with my 2 year old son a few weeks ago playing footy and my lad was running to get the ball, this dopey fookign woman lets her dog off the lead right were we are playing it chases my son and the ball, he bends down to pic up the ball and the dog does the same in nips my lads finger, I run over and kick the dog square in the chops and pic my son up, the owner comes over and has a go at me for kicking her dog!!!!!!, I know the dog didn't do it on purpose but the women should have some thought.
I explain that I can call the police and make my case have to dog destroyed as it "attacked" my lad.
She goes off one one saying my son should have stopped runnung......he's 2 ffs :roll:
any dog comes near me it will get a boot (provided it's not huge lol) owners should be more responsible for there dogs in every way.
rant over :oops:
unfortunately we can't have you destroyed for attacking the dog. 2 wrongs and all that.
Want to have a go, punch the owner in the face.FCN 120 -
:roll:sheepsteeth wrote:i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?0 -
neiltb wrote:
unfortunately we can't have you destroyed for attacking the dog. 2 wrongs and all that.
Want to have a go, punch the owner in the face.
i think we all agree that the owner is reponsible for the behaviour of their dogs and for that reason i agree that they are the ones who should be punched and kicked.0 -
.blitz wrote:
:roll:sheepsteeth wrote:i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?
nice rebuttle.0 -
.blitz wrote:
:roll:sheepsteeth wrote:i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?
i do not own a dog, not really a great fan. When i am on the trails if i see a dog i slow down, look for the owner and make sure all is well. as a general rule it makes life more pleasant for all involved, unless its a dedicated bike track everyone has a right to use it, its common courtesy.
if said dog ran after me and looked menacing i would head off at top speed though, tough luck to irresponsible owners.0 -
I'm not saying bikers have more rights. But everyone has the right not to be attacked by someone else's badly controlled animal. The occasions that I'm talking about are when I slow down to near enough walking pace, say 'excuse me' nice and early, but the dog is 20-30 yards away, and as I go past the owner they'll tell me that it'll bite me. That's just wrong.
I think you're arguing against a point that no-one has made there sheepsteeth
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camerone wrote:.blitz wrote:
:roll:sheepsteeth wrote:i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?
i do not own a dog, not really a great fan. When i am on the trails if i see a dog i slow down, look for the owner and make sure all is well. as a general rule it makes life more pleasant for all involved, unless its a dedicated bike track everyone has a right to use it, its common courtesy.
that seems like a sensible way to enjoy th countryside.
agreed about the point of dedcated cycle tracks, no one should be on those except cyclists.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:neiltb wrote:
unfortunately we can't have you destroyed for attacking the dog. 2 wrongs and all that.
Want to have a go, punch the owner in the face.
i think we all agree that the owner is reponsible for the behaviour of their dogs and for that reason i agree that they are the ones who should be punched and kicked.
So if someone else's massivebasterdangryhound (yes it's a real breed!) was attacking your young dog, you wouldn't try to get them apart? You'd find the owner and punch him first?0 -
i wouldnt need to, my dogs are 'ard as fucnk.
of course you should separate dogs from your children or whatever by whatever means necessary.
in my example, my dog wouldnt be needing a beating from someone for any reason as they are well behaved and kept under strict control, it is for that reason that anyone touching them would deserve a kicking.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:camerone wrote:.blitz wrote:
:roll:sheepsteeth wrote:i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?
i do not own a dog, not really a great fan. When i am on the trails if i see a dog i slow down, look for the owner and make sure all is well. as a general rule it makes life more pleasant for all involved, unless its a dedicated bike track everyone has a right to use it, its common courtesy.
that seems like a sensible way to enjoy th countryside.
agreed about the point of dedcated cycle tracks, no one should be on those except cyclists.
Just for the record, this is what I do. I've got no problem with stopping and waiting while a dog comes over to figure me out, and I wait for the owner to catch up. I quite liek dogs, I don't particularly want to hurt any and I don't want any angry dog owners trying to kill me. But if a dog was attacking me, I'd have no qualms about kicking it to get it to leave me alone. And I mean 'attack', not just an inquisitive sniff or a bark.0 -
Whilst I agree with this, there has got to be compromise.sheepsteeth wrote:i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?
If someone's dog is off it's leash and running at people like a four legged nutter, then is it REALLY other people's duty to just put up with it, or should EVERYONE be making concessions, including the dog owner?
You know, bike riders slow down, kids stop kicking their balls about for a minute, and the owners of the hell-hound put it on a leash?0 -
neiltb wrote:J L wrote:Bang on stubs
I was on the beach with my 2 year old son a few weeks ago playing footy and my lad was running to get the ball, this dopey fookign woman lets her dog off the lead right were we are playing it chases my son and the ball, he bends down to pic up the ball and the dog does the same in nips my lads finger, I run over and kick the dog square in the chops and pic my son up, the owner comes over and has a go at me for kicking her dog!!!!!!, I know the dog didn't do it on purpose but the women should have some thought.
I explain that I can call the police and make my case have to dog destroyed as it "attacked" my lad.
She goes off one one saying my son should have stopped runnung......he's 2 ffs :roll:
any dog comes near me it will get a boot (provided it's not huge lol) owners should be more responsible for there dogs in every way.
rant over :oops:
unfortunately we can't have you destroyed for attacking the dog. 2 wrongs and all that.
Want to have a go, punch the owner in the face.
I didn't attack the dog I protected my son, there is a huge diffrence, my son does not pose a threat to others where as her dog could :roll:I'm not old I'm Retro0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:
Whilst I agree with this, there has got to be compromise.sheepsteeth wrote:i call bollox, everyone is allowed to use the area, everyone should make concessions to each other is my point, what gives you more rights on your bike than me and my dogs have?
If someone's dog is off it's leash and running at people like a four legged nutter, then is it REALLY other people's duty to just put up with it, or should EVERYONE be making concessions, including the dog owner?
You know, bike riders slow down, kids stop kicking their balls about for a minute, and the owners of the hell-hound put it on a leash?yeehaamcgee wrote:You know, bike riders slow down, kids stop kicking their balls about for a minute, and the owners of the hell-hound put it on a leash?
by everyone i include dog owners. i wouldnt let my dog off in the middle of a country park picnic, or on a cycle trail, it would be carnage no matter how disciplined the dog. but if im walking down a bridleway i can expect to have my dogs off their leads at a sensible distance.
anyone encountering them should show some consideration whilst i recall them and put them on their leads.
people on bikes and joggers have no more right to the earth than anyone else. again, if you were cycling on a bridlepath and found a horse in the way, would you hurtle past, i doubt it, i dont see the difference with dgs.
people are confusing bad dog owners with normal dog owners, its like me saying all roadies are gay.0 -
But if a dog was attacking me, I'd have no qualms about kicking it to get it to leave me alone. And I mean 'attack', not just an inquisitive sniff or a bark.
Leaving aside the points about who is right, wron or esponsible etc, trying to kick a very aggressive or attacking dog is more likely to result in you getting bitten.
If you try and run you are likely to trigger a prey response and even on bike you are unlikely to outrun any reasonable sized dog.
Best to try and use your bike as a block to keep its teeth away from you and remain as calm as you can. Try a couple of robust commands like sit, no or down. Hold your ground until either it gets bored or the owner get’s it under control.
Then you can tw*t the owner or call the police as appropriate0 -
Raphe wrote:But if a dog was attacking me, I'd have no qualms about kicking it to get it to leave me alone. And I mean 'attack', not just an inquisitive sniff or a bark.
Leaving aside the points about who is right, wron or esponsible etc, trying to kick a very aggressive or attacking dog is more likely to result in you getting bitten.
If you try and run you are likely to trigger a prey response and even on bike you are unlikely to outrun any reasonable sized dog.
Best to try and use your bike as a block to keep its teeth away from you and remain as calm as you can. Try a couple of robust commands like sit, no or down. Hold your ground until either it gets bored or the owner get’s it under control.
Then you can tw*t the owner or call the police as appropriate
this man speaks sense.
mind you, i can understnd how dificult it is to deploy these techniques in prctice if you are not a dog type person.
ive always known how to deal with strangers dog even before i had one because my folks taught me what to do when i were a lad. im not trying to teach parents how to be parents but i do wonder how parents have decided to treat the situation after a dog related incident, do you let your child continue to be afrai d of dogs and their behaviour or is it posible to train a child in how best to deal with an unruly mutt.
i appreciate no on should have to deal with a dog they dont own but its oging to happn, i reckon for that reason it is worth lernging what to do when confronted by an unfamiliar dog.0 -
But not all dog owners ARE bad dog owners.sheepsteeth wrote:people are confusing bad dog owners with normal dog owners, its like me saying all roadies are gay.0 -
To add, the dog should have been on a lead as the beach rules state between May and October.
and to also add though I partly agree with the point of share and share alike the main point is, dogs are unpredictable by nature and pose a potential threat to all and sundry around them. where as kids playing don't.I'm not old I'm Retro0 -
Raphe
I said "attack, not just barked at". What I mean is if a dog was actively trying to take chunks out of me, I wouldn't stand still and let it do it.
i went the wrong way on what I thought was a bridleway once and ended up going up a private track to a farmyard. A guard dog/wolf :shock: came bounding out barking at me. so I did the using the bike as a barrier thing and slowly went back the way I came. Problem solved. As I said, I don't have a problem with dogs in general, but I don't like it when they try to bite me, I don't think anyone does.
Incidentally, that was obviously a fantastically trained dog, because he never actually got that close to me, and he stopped barking but stood his ground once he could see I was going back.
Again, I don't think anyone is claiming that you should go hurtling past anyone, dogs or not. But slowing down to walking pace and being bitten, and the owner doing nothing, or a child being bitten, and the father being told off for protecting his son, is wrong.0 -
J L wrote:To add, the dog should have been on a lead as the beach rules state between May and October.
and to also add though I partly agree with the point of share and share alike the main point is, dogs are unpredictable by nature and pose a potential threat to all and sundry around them. where as kids playing don't.
agreed, which is why i would have my dog on a lead on the beach unless i was on a quiet beach with no people around (which is where i tend to take my dogs if im going to a beach)0 -
i slow right down if i'm going past a dog, possibly as a result of this i have had a couple of (small) dogs nip me, they were both owned by old ladies one of whom did what bails reported word for word: "he doesent like bikes", i replied that i dident like dogs and if it happened again i'd have it put down, felt a bit mean afterwards.
my mate rides with his mad collie, it spends the first 2 hours chasing the front wheels which is disconserting.
I saw i rider going down one of the (shared use) fireroads at llandegla get entangled at speed with 3 dogs on long leads, he hit one of them and went into a ditch as he locked up the brakes, dog seemed fine.0 -
Reminds me of the time on was on hols a few years ago. We were sitting on a bench (as you do) catching some rays and watching people going up and down this dirt track from the car park to the beach.
Most people were on foot all loaded up with stuff for the beach when a bloke comes along on a BSO, surfboard tucked under one arm being pulled along by a dog on a lead attached to the handlbars. You can guess what happened next.
The dog suddenly f*cked off into the undergrowth and the bike went with it. Matey with the surfboard nose-dived into the ferns and stood up straightaway, as if this sort of thing happened all the time
We were absolutely p*ssing ourselves 0 -
But slowing down to walking pace and being bitten, and the owner doing nothing, or a child being bitten, and the father being told off for protecting his son, is wrong.
I don’t disagree. Owners have a responsibility to have their dogs under control and parents have a responsibility to keep their kids under control. Problem is not everyone is responsible.
Surely it’s worth reducing the chances of a kid getting bitten by teaching it how to behave around dogs; they are a fact of life.
I was walking my dogs when a little kid ran across the road shouting doggie, doggie. He launched at the dog grabbing him round the neck, cuddling him. I just about shat myself and the mum started screaming at me to get the dog away, despite her kid being attached to him like a limpet.
If that had been another dog (the vicious b*stard Akita that lives a few streets away for instance) that kid would likely have been killed. The dog would be put down and the owner prosecuted, fair enough. The kid would still be dead.0 -
and it would all be the fault of the parent in my opinion.0
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and it would all be the fault of the parent in my opinion.
I don’t think the entire fault but some of the responsibility, certainly. This particular dog is an accident waiting to happen. I’ve been around dogs all my life and this is one of the few that makes me nervous.To be fair, the fact that the kid is free to run across roads is more worrying than the fact he likes dogs
You’re not wrong, I was told later that he has ADHD0
