52 days on the bike without a break.
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was that you again in Sale bhima? I saw the kit but you were going so fast I didn't see your face.
I also wondered WTF TSS was.0 -
popette wrote:was that you again in Sale bhima? I saw the kit but you were going so fast I didn't see your face.
I also wondered WTF TSS was.
He's probably got a machine that can mess about with time, he probs went by so fast because he in fact paused time, cycled past you, then resumed time.
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popette wrote:was that you again in Sale bhima? I saw the kit but you were going so fast I didn't see your face.
I also wondered WTF TSS was.
Busted! :shock: Indeed, that was me. Which part of the road?
I said i'd have a couple of days off and went and did 5 hours in the peaks today! :oops: Somehow managed to recover IMMEDIATELY upon getting home though and could probably do it again tomorrow. Yes. I am that awesome. 8)
Anyway, i'm calculating TSS by using IF x IF x 100 x hours riding. No WKO. No power files. Been needing to sort that out but have had no time to do anything else but ride, work, eat and sleep recently. I don't even have "the book" yet, so no understanding of CTL/etc yet...
...and I live in Pott Shrigley now. Nothing flat round there at all.
I gave a lot of information in the original post and it seems to have overshadowed the questions about recovery. Today, the average power for the first three hours (up to the cafe) was what my FTP was in February so I know I'm recovering (felt great today) but over the long-term, lets say 2 years from now, do you think the difference between riding 6 days a week and 7 days a week over that period would produce massively different results?0 -
I would like to nominate this thread for the award of "Biggest Waste of Electrons Ever"Bhima wrote:Anyway, i'm calculating TSS by using IF x IF x 100 x hours riding. No WKO. No power files. Been needing to sort that out but have had no time to do anything else but ride, work, eat and sleep recently. I don't even have "the book" yet, so no understanding of CTL/etc yet...
Bhima, if you going to spout stats, at least make them worth reading :roll:0 -
Please explain???
I have one power file, from when I used a mate's computer. I wanted to see if I was calculating TSS right and it was spot on. :?0 -
How are you calculating Normalized Power and Intensity Factor without WKO+?Bhima wrote:Please explain???0 -
IF is what you are producing relative to your FTP. You just need a calculator for that. I'm not using NP, i'm using AP. Have I made an epic mistake? :shock:0
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Epic failBhima wrote:IF is what you are producing relative to your FTP. You just need a calculator for that. I'm not using NP, i'm using AP. Have I made an epic mistake? :shock:
IF is calculated from Normalised not Average power. That said, NP is always more than AP, so your TSS scores will actually be higher. The more variable the power during a ride, the more NP is above AP.
I suggest you do some reading before coming up with your figures - or just buy WKO+ and let it do the donkey work.0 -
Bronzie wrote:your TSS scores will actually be higher.
Holy crap! I've been told these are pretty high already...
The commutes were highly variable in the first week due to the hills but i've learned to pace my power better so it feels like a flat ride. This is especially true when i'm doing a 1 hour TT as you really can't afford to go too hard on the climbs. I know this because i'm sometimes constantly looking at the AP and it doesn't change for the last 45 minutes sometimes. It feels extremely odd to ride like that though.Bronzie wrote:The more variable the power during a ride, the more NP is above AP.
When I did the original test with the power file, it was a 90 minute very steady ride round and round a lake, so the AP must have equalled the NP.0 -
Can we have a sticky to explain all these terms, as I am interested but cannot follow.?0
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So you have a PowerTap and the little yellow computer, but you don't have WKO+?
If you can't afford WKO+ then get yourself Golden Cheetah and start analysing your rides properly. As it is your wasting your time (and that of everyone who has replied to this thread) by guessing and then posting up bullsh@t stats.More problems but still living....0 -
Hilarious.
I did 39 days last august, tbh any plonker can ride every day, but finding the balance between training and being fresh enough to race is the hard bit... If I went out now every day I'd get dropped in the 1st 5 mins of every race.
I guess that's the luxury you have when you're too scared to actually put on a number.... it doesn't matter how fresh you are when all you have to worry about is TSS.0 -
As somebody said on another thread in Pro Race... If you have great numbers but can't ride in a race, you're basically the World Turbo Trainer Champion.
If you'd have just spent about a tenth of the money you've apparantly spent on power measurements, you could have had a racing license for the year. THe rest could have gone on entries and travel expenses!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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My best racing result has come when my Chronic and Acute Training loads were at their lowest...
Not that it matters if you are never, ever going to race.
Training all the time, talking the talk but never racing - it's like you are really good at w@nking to p0rn but never having slept with a woman!0 -
No better place to start getting to grips with the terminology than Alex's blog:dmclite wrote:Can we have a sticky to explain all these terms, as I am interested but cannot follow.?
http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com/2006/10/ ... chart.html0 -
Bhima - just another thought on this............what powermeter and head unit are you using?Bronzie wrote:
Do you have zero-averaging for average power set on (ie include coasting when power = 0 within the average or excluded)?0 -
He uses an ordinary dynamo, he notes down the brightness every 15 seconds and works out his power when he gets home using a slide rule.0
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NapoleonD wrote:Training all the time, talking the talk but never racing - it's like you are really good at w@nking to p0rn but never having slept with a woman!
Indeed, it seems Bhima is in fact a top class w@nker with the w@nk stats to back it up.
@ Bhima:
I know very little about all these power things but as I understand it if you're stating that you rode for three hours at your Feb FTP that's sort of like riding a 3 hour TT at your Feb 1 hour TT pace? Does this make you three times as strong as in Feb?
As a result of the above, if you were at 4.6 w/kg in Feb then what are you now? At least 5+? Isn't that a Pro level figure?
Fess up 'awesome' banana man, it's getting boring now - if a little embarrasing.0 -
Bronzie wrote:
No better place to start getting to grips with the terminology than Alex's blog:dmclite wrote:Can we have a sticky to explain all these terms, as I am interested but cannot follow.?
http://alex-cycle.blogspot.com/2006/10/ ... chart.html
Thank you. much appreciated.0 -
EKIMIKE wrote:NapoleonD wrote:Training all the time, talking the talk but never racing - it's like you are really good at w@nking to p0rn but never having slept with a woman!
Indeed, it seems Bhima is in fact a top class w@nker with the w@nk stats to back it up.
@ Bhima:
I know very little about all these power things but as I understand it if you're stating that you rode for three hours at your Feb FTP that's sort of like riding a 3 hour TT at your Feb 1 hour TT pace? Does this make you three times as strong as in Feb?
As a result of the above, if you were at 4.6 w/kg in Feb then what are you now? At least 5+? Isn't that a Pro level figure?
Fess up 'awesome' banana man, it's getting boring now - if a little embarrasing.
Please don't make him stop, this is Bhima gold. My toes curl for the guy, just really want him to race and give it a go. His waffle on here really is entertaining.0 -
52 days on the bike. Do you need a proper rest/recovery day?
I'm no expert, but all those guys who casually bumble around france every july seem to require a couple of rest days in just 3 or 4 weeks of riding. "Le French de Tour" or something I believe it's become known as.
So I figure 52 days without a break is just showing off, slightly mad, but also cool in its own way.Earn Cashback @ Wiggle, CRC, Evans, AW Cycles, Alpine Bikes, ProBikeKit, Cycles UK :
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dmclite wrote:
Please don't make him stop, this is Bhima gold. My toes curl for the guy, just really want him to race and give it a go. His waffle on here really is entertaining.
Bullshit thrives on poorly put questions with no scientific back-up and ill-judged assumptions.
There my friend, is where my question comes in.
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Yeah yeah yeah... Will get WKO+ tomorrow. "Training and racing with a powermeter" is in the post. Was waiting for the new edition. So I posted a load of meaningless numbers... At least they reflect SOME kind of idea of what i've been doing. Even if it's AP and not NP and even if my FTP is off, I thought I should post them so people could tell me how realistic they were. Obviously I now know there are issues.EKIMIKE wrote:Does this make you three times as strong as in Feb?
No, it doesn't work like that.
I don't have that much time to reply in detail today, but I'll address a few things.
A lot of people don't seem to understand - as i've already mentioned, I don't have the time/correct sleeping pattern to currently race at the moment due to my work and will change this in a couple of months. Sure, I want to race, but I've been working hard and making money by doing ridiculous hours - Instead of buying a new bike, I got a PM so I could have SOME measurement of what I was doing during the commutes.
Now, I know i've not got all the knowledge of how to use it properly yet and I know it wont make me a better racer :roll: but I can say it's helped with understanding my efforts a bit more. There's no need for unhelpful comments. I know I have to do some reading, but i'm just starting out with this. Without the PM, I can safely say i'd have been wasting valuable training time for the past 7 weeks of commuting because I used to go too easy. I've not got WKO+ simply through lazyness basically. I've just been too busy looking at the numbers 'live' to see how different ammounts of pain are rated in Watts and using this to re-evaluate my PE and understanding of different suffering levels.
Bronzie - i'm using a Cycleops Joule and coasting at 0 W will affect the average power, yes.0 -
Bhima wrote:Yeah yeah yeah... Will get WKO+ tomorrow. "Training and racing with a powermeter" is in the post. Was waiting for the new edition. So I posted a load of meaningless numbers... At least they reflect SOME kind of idea of what i've been doing. Even if it's AP and not NP and even if my FTP is off, I thought I should post them so people could tell me how realistic they were. Obviously I now know there are issues.EKIMIKE wrote:Does this make you three times as strong as in Feb?
No, it doesn't work like that.
I don't have that much time to reply in detail today, but I'll address a few things.
A lot of people don't seem to understand - as i've already mentioned, I don't have the time/correct sleeping pattern to currently race at the moment due to my work and will change this in a couple of months. Sure, I want to race, but I've been working hard and making money by doing ridiculous hours - Instead of buying a new bike, I got a PM so I could have SOME measurement of what I was doing during the commutes.
Now, I know i've not got all the knowledge of how to use it properly yet and I know it wont make me a better racer :roll: but I can say it's helped with understanding my efforts a bit more. There's no need for unhelpful comments. I know I have to do some reading, but i'm just starting out with this. Without the PM, I can safely say i'd have been wasting valuable training time for the past 7 weeks of commuting because I used to go too easy. I've not got WKO+ simply through lazyness basically. I've just been too busy looking at the numbers 'live' to see how different ammounts of pain are rated in Watts and using this to re-evaluate my PE and understanding of different suffering levels.
Bronzie - i'm using a Cycleops Joule and coasting at 0 W will affect the average power, yes.
Excuses, excuses. I have a job which has an awkward shift pattern. I commute 50% of the time which is a 46 mile round trip including the dartford crossing. I have 3 kids, 2 of wich have Aspergers (which needs a lot of input and attention), a wife who is fabulous and a dog (called Rusty). I race fairly regularly and will continue to throught the spring and summer. Go, on give one a go, there must be some 1 hour plus 5 laps races near you, surely ?0 -
+1 to what DMC said. I live in a location where, if I want to ride a road race, I have to travel for at least 100 miles. And i don't drive. So if I want to race I either need to find a club mate who's going, take my girlfriend away for the weekend (at my own expense!) or travel down on the train the night before and ride out to the course.
For example, I spent my 23rd Birthday in a B&B in Wrexham, on my own, because I wanted to ride a hillclimb the next day. And I still had to ride 15 miles the morning after to get there and then ride back for my train home.
Fact is, if you want to do it, you'll find a way. Have you even entered a local TT or a Sportif?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
rofl
I still dont really get all this power stuff too yet. but having the p.m and not using it properly is deffo better than not having it.
bimma: you in tonight m8? gizza bell plz.0 -
Bhima wrote:Yeah yeah yeah... Will get WKO+ tomorrow. "Training and racing with a powermeter" is in the post. Was waiting for the new edition. So I posted a load of meaningless numbers... At least they reflect SOME kind of idea of what i've been doing. Even if it's AP and not NP and even if my FTP is off, I thought I should post them so people could tell me how realistic they were. Obviously I now know there are issues.EKIMIKE wrote:Does this make you three times as strong as in Feb?
No, it doesn't work like that.
I don't have that much time to reply in detail today, but I'll address a few things.
A lot of people don't seem to understand - as i've already mentioned, I don't have the time/correct sleeping pattern to currently race at the moment due to my work and will change this in a couple of months. Sure, I want to race, but I've been working hard and making money by doing ridiculous hours - Instead of buying a new bike, I got a PM so I could have SOME measurement of what I was doing during the commutes.
Now, I know i've not got all the knowledge of how to use it properly yet and I know it wont make me a better racer :roll: but I can say it's helped with understanding my efforts a bit more. There's no need for unhelpful comments. I know I have to do some reading, but i'm just starting out with this. Without the PM, I can safely say i'd have been wasting valuable training time for the past 7 weeks of commuting because I used to go too easy. I've not got WKO+ simply through lazyness basically. I've just been too busy looking at the numbers 'live' to see how different ammounts of pain are rated in Watts and using this to re-evaluate my PE and understanding of different suffering levels.
Bronzie - i'm using a Cycleops Joule and coasting at 0 W will affect the average power, yes.
Bhima - if you have the Joule then doesn't that give you NP and TSS?More problems but still living....0
