Overbiking
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Of course anyone can buy anything.
But would you recommend a new driver gets a TVR Sagaris?
Or a beginner waterskiier starts on only one ski?
Similar (but not as extreme) with biking.
I am a new roadie so I got a basic road bike - I could have got/afforded a high spec one but I considered it a bit daft. Same with MTBs.0 -
As I said earlier, I would recommend what I thought was best and offer pros and cons.
But you cannot account for the subjective thing we call fun! And some people have that on bigger bikes.0 -
supersonic wrote:As I said earlier, I would recommend what I thought was best and offer pros and cons.
But you cannot account for the subjective thing we call fun! And some people have that on bigger bikes.
Not me - my feet don't touch the ground...
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Neither do mine lol0
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The unfit and rather overweight rider who spends a fortune on the lightest machine available yet it likely to break it because he doesn't have the finesse and skill (notice "he" - very rarely do "shes" overbike) and will find it skittish and a PITA to ride half the time - the wrong bike. I've seen this many times.
I doubt they'll break it to be honest or specialized et all wouldnt have no rider weight limit on their light race bikes. I probably fall into your generalisation though I'm not too unfit these days and I also didn't spend silly money but to be honest the light bike helped me improve no end.
Just face it people like to spend their money of stuff they like and it's none of our business what they do. I'm looking at spending a fair wack on a new full susser soon, do I need one...hmm probably not but I want one. I'm not looking at a 5" trail bike because for 90% of my riding it wouldnt be worth it but I am looking at light 4" bikes becuase I think i'll have more fun on the downs and I like light XC racey type bikes. Plus I'm getting old 39 on Monday so I need more comfort
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ignore all the elitist crap / marketing guff.
buy whatever the hell you like ,
spend as much cash as you like ,
ride ,
enjoy.
anyone who tries to tell me i'm "over-biked" while riding my santa cruz FS to tesco express can expect to be poked in the eye
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Surf-Matt wrote:I feel realman does have some valid points but is being battered by many who are too quick to jump on the bandwagon.
Let's give examples -
A timid rider on a slightly downhill using a full on DH rig - it can't be ridden up a hill, it'll just batter the terrain and it'll just be the wrong bike - I've seen this many times.
It's not elitist - it's just the way it is.
Many "surfers" get the trickest "pro" surfboard far too early - it's too sinky, it's hard to catch waves on and very unstable yet it looks cool - they hold themselves back by thinking throwing money at kit will make them better - it actually does the opposite sometimes.
+1 for all of that. Its nice to have at least someone who knows what I'm talking about lol.Surf-Matt wrote:Of course anyone can buy anything.
But would you recommend a new driver gets a TVR Sagaris?
Another +1. Good example.Eranu wrote:I doubt they'll break it to be honest or specialized et all wouldnt have no rider weight limit on their light race bikes.
To be honest, this is becoming less and less of a problem, as that type of people are becoming generally more interested in being sam hill rather then oli beckingsale. You see a lot more mincing around berms at the nearest trail centre on big bikes then collapsed 1300g wheels.0 -
Realman, I don't know if you've had much opportunity to notice this in your 18 years on this planet........but (get ready for this) people have different tastes. Not everything is bought to fulfill a particular need or out of necessity.
Sit back, deep breath, accept. 8)
Seriously mate, it's not worth you getting so upset about it. Just ride your bike, don't worry about anyone else, I'm sure they're not worrying about you.0 -
Upset?Surf-Matt wrote:It happens in every sport and it makes me laugh. Quietly. In the corner. With my like minded mates.
+1 to that. Don't know why you'd think I'd be upset. If I was talking about a chav who had his trousers tucked into his socks, or a fat person taking up two seats in a cinema - would you think I was upset about those things? Not really. They're just slightly amusing, and interesting to discuss. Beats "what tyres pressures" or the millionth thread on "what £1000 hardtail" lol.
However, I think a few other people have got slightly upset during this, as they may have realised that they're overbiked. Maybe you should try and calm them down.. 0 -
Doesn't this topic come up every few months...
Personally, I like having a big, bouncy-at-both-ends (160mm F+R) bike. Who cares that it's heavy, terrible at uphills and roads...? It makes me smile when I ride. End.
Props to those that buy a DH rig and ride it XC style, thats a workout-and-a-half! If thats what they feel they need / want, then fair enough. It's their money, let 'em spend it!
Provided, of course, they don't get finance they can't pay back, and break the economy again..... Boo-yah mofo
Sick to the power of rad
Fix it 'till it's broke0 -
+1 for all of that. Its nice to have at least someone who knows what I'm talking about lol.
So you're talking about surfing?To be honest, this is becoming less and less of a problem, as that type of people are becoming generally more interested in being sam hill rather then oli beckingsale. You see a lot more mincing around berms at the nearest trail centre on big bikes then collapsed 1300g wheels.
What are you basing that statement on? I suspect that there are more XC type bikes sold than any other in the UK.
I'm quite enjoying this thread but really you need to think about what it is you mean Is it you hate people who spend their money on what they want? Or is it people who lack skill buy big bikes? Or is it under 12's now want to be Sam HIll? 0 -
On the TVR note, a TVR would be harder to drive for a new driver than a standard starter hatchback sort of thing. An Orange 5 will be easier to ride and more confidence inspiring than a cheap starter bike.
I don't see that as particularly relevant, as I mentioned before, if it were a top end race bike or something maybe.0 -
not convinced still for alot of it.
Earlier you were not talking of just a begginer spending, but more anyone on a full sus bike at a trail center.
I ride a 5" stumpy FSR and its a great bike i can ride 4-5 days on the trot no problems i can't do that on a HT. I took it on some local traill here on sunday, They were so steep that the head angle on the stumpywas tucking the fork up under me a bit.. I rode it but i felt that i needed a slackker bigger bike for that as I was battered on my little stumpy trying to hold the line.. while the lads on bigger bikes were ripping through.
So at some point now i have found some amazing aggressive trails on my door I'm gonna get the 6" and people who think i am overbiked at the trail centers when i turn up will be wrong.
People are trying to put firm definitions on something that is wholly subjective and depends on many things.0 -
Thewaylander wrote:not convinced still for alot of it.
Earlier you were not talking of just a begginer spending, but more anyone on a full sus bike at a trail center.
I ride a 5" stumpy FSR and its a great bike i can ride 4-5 days on the trot no problems i can't do that on a HT. I took it on some local traill here on sunday, They were so steep that the head angle on the stumpywas tucking the fork up under me a bit.. I rode it but i felt that i needed a slackker bigger bike for that as I was battered on my little stumpy trying to hold the line.. while the lads on bigger bikes were ripping through.
So at some point now i have found some amazing aggressive trails on my door I'm gonna get the 6" and people who think i am overbiked at the trail centers when i turn up will be wrong.
People are trying to put firm definitions on something that is wholly subjective and depends on many things.
Well here is an example - why can't you do that on an HT? People ride all over the World on fully rigid bikes - they do fine.
This is part of the "conditioning" we have - HTs are uncomfy, HTs can't go down hills, etc. Yes they can, they just need a different approach. Look at the loony trials riders - they are on HT bikes. Look at the full on jump bikes - they are HTs.
Mags have conditioned us into thinking that for anything with more than a bump, you need a full on FS bike. You don't - even the lightest XC HT is still a MOUNTAIN bike and can take knocks and bump. I think many overestimate how hard they are on bikes and so go for totally OTT kit - big travel suspension, burly forks, etc - when they don't need it. They might do the odd little jump, might go down a bit of a hill but that's it - so £1000s thrown away and loads of weight added.
I've seen good riders hammer down slopes on £500 bikes (HT) no problem.
Yes it's gone HT vs FS again but there you go. To me a bike is a fairly simple machine - the more it's complicated, the less efficient it is, the worse it is in my eyes. I never aspire to be a DH nutter (too wussy for that) so will never get a FS bike - too much to break, too much to "tune" too much weight, too inefficient up hills.0 -
Matt you talk about programming here.
But i come from 7 years on street fully riged and used to use a hard tail off road, and I'm Telling you in all truth i can NOT ride that many days on the trott on a HT. my back starts to hurt, my arms, my knees I love hammering through rocky fast lines and yes you can on a HT but it takes it toll.
And if you reed my point i didn't actually say i need more travel i said i need a 6" bike
i'm after the slacker angel, but when you can feel your fox floats bending underneaath you through the steepness then you know its not really stiff enough for confidence.
I live in an area with a ton of natural trails that make the afan trail centers look like a girls blouse ride... (when the weather is nice so there not rivers) I'm not a time trialist, I'm not trying to set the fastest time on the entire trail, I'm trying to have maximum fun on the sections i love.0 -
Waylander - fair enough!
Anyone can buy what they want - I just think many could save money and progress quicker on the "right" kit.
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i think surf mat is talking the most sence.
i think that the term "overbiked" is incorrect, it implies too much money spent on the bike.... i think its a case of "wrongbiked" people hitting blue trqails on a 9 inch DH monster (iv seen it done) are "wrongbiked", sure they have freedom of choice, and if they want a DH bike for riding the begginer trail they can have it, but they would be better off, I.E, faster, and have more fun on a 5 inch HT.
so basicly, money spent is up to the person... i dont care if a begginer has a £4000 superbike, its their money... but the wrong type of bike is pointless, even less than pointless, actually harmfull. (the rider wont learn/will struggle with some things....)
a begginer surfer living in an area that tends to get 2ft slop can spend all he likes on a board, but the right type... its useless him having a 6ft big wave pro board. it may be what jordie smith is running this week, but for him and his waves, its not right...
same with mtb, just becouse its the latest set up that "bren-dog" is running this week, doesnt mean its right for a lap of the local green route.
the wrong bike can be harmfull, not just inapropriate.I like bikes and stuff0 -
I've been what's considered slightly 'overbiked' and 'underbiked'
Unfortunately as my only interest that involves spending any sort of money (swimming, walking, running, reading are all pretty cheap) I'll probably continue to sway between the two as I fight a continual battle between 'needing' a FS and the realisation that I can ride all of the local stuff and most bits of the UK on a SS, Vbraked, Dart equipped Merlin. But then there is also the little spark that keeps shouting 'Carbon Whippet, Carbon Whippet, Carbon Whippet' over and over.
If you've got the money then I say spend it. I could blow all my cash on a Premier League Season ticket and sit and get fat, or beer and get fat, or hair replacements and look stupid, or blow all my cash again on cars (my third was a TVR, aged 18 but I never crashed).
But I can see where some of the posts are coming from, as an 18 year old I would have, and still do chuckle to myself when I see somebody of my age, or older, with an £8k bike that's clean, shiny, colour coordinated with their clothing being pushed up the tiniest hill or even worse, getting off, walking down, walking back up then deciding they can't cycle down and walking back down.
Oops rambled a bit.Visit Clacton during the School holidays - it's like a never ending freak show.
Who are you calling inbred?0 -
I just wanted to chime in to win the overbike contest.
I commute on a Niner WFO 29er bike with a Dorado on the front.
In my defense, it is a LOT of fun, and I use all the travel.Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?0 -
What happened to the last page? Had Nick been deleting everything again?
That's it - I'm signing him up for every car brochure going leasing sales call known to man... 0 -
Have a look in the crudcatcher ;-
Balls, my bracket key doesn't work - nor the exclamation key, wtf?0 -
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The world's ultimate marmite bike0 -
I object! THIS is a waffle:
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That's just brought on a "Homer" moment!Surf-Matt wrote:I object! THIS is a waffle: Proved by testing to be faster than a badger.
The world's ultimate marmite bike0 -
mmm waffle..
Matt you bast@#d i want waffle and ice cream now damn you!!0 -
Always have that after a ride, might just add a scoop or two now..
And would you believe my luck? I've got a ride right now.. 0 -
since biking for a lot of people is their passion, I don't see how blowing £1000's on a bike is an issue.
I find it very hard to see how it is a waste.
I've probably spent over £5000 on bikes+parts in the last 2 years. Money god damn well spent i say!!
I could have bought cheaper bits, but why? Biking is my happyness currency, lifes about being happy, for me its a win win investment.
Its more fun than my hardtail, on ANY trail, its more fun to look at while i'm sat with a beer in the garden afterwards, its more fun to tweak, more fun to photograph, more fun to upgrade, more fun to polish, you get the idea.
If some scroat on my local trail thinks my bike is too much for it well F*** Y** CHUCK NORRIS! I'm happy as a pig in S*** 0 -
haha capoz77,
Im hopefully (dissertation completion dependant!!) taking my hardtail XC bike that cost me £600 to a evening downhill session on thursday, sure I would like a full sus bit of bling but its going to be sooooo much fun.0
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