Wiggins : Sky not "most hated"
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Hmmm. Wiggins suggesting Cav unlikelyfor Sky
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/3023/ ... ndish.aspx
By studying the details though, Wiggins can see how much Contador gained from knowing everybody else’s times, by virtue of being the last rider on the road
Note to Bradleeee : Berties radio was fooked, he knew nothing.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
wanders in listens a while before shaking head in amazement and ambles out muttering and I thought my life working in the middle east was dull.0
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iainf72 wrote:Hmmm. Wiggins suggesting Cav unlikelyfor Sky
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/3023/ ... ndish.aspx
By studying the details though, Wiggins can see how much Contador gained from knowing everybody else’s times, by virtue of being the last rider on the road
Note to Bradleeee : Berties radio was fooked, he knew nothing.
He knew where he was at the second checkpoint which I believe was over halfway, so not quite nothing. You also missed the second part of that quote where he mentions the drafting behind the motorbikes and how it may have helped him which was probably the more important point.0 -
The Prodigy wrote:
He knew where he was at the second checkpoint which I believe was over halfway, so not quite nothing. You also missed the second part of that quote where he mentions the drafting behind the motorbikes and how it may have helped him which was probably the more important point.
Well that was quite valid. But how do you learn from that? As I remember it, Bertie took a lot of the time in the 2nd half of the TT.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
I was there in person and Contador was flying. Very sad that Wigola needs to bring this up now. He should keep his mouth shut and let his legs do the talking.Contador is the Greatest0
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Kléber wrote:
Yes. I can't get behind the Sky Facebook and Twitter stuff because it reeks of corporate PR. Very slick but it's manipulative, and not human. See the Footon drunken-ride-in-a-skinsuit-at-night video or the videos on http://www.slipstreamsports.com/ for more humble stuff. The amazingly good Cervélo videos at http://www.bartape.net/ are pure advertising and selectively edited but you get a view inside the team, there's something Sky haven't got yet.iainf72 wrote:There is a huge about of stuff out there but it's tightly controlled.
Is there any way to actually download these videos, as my connection cannot seem to stream them at all.0 -
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I struggle to get my head around the whole Wiggo thing.
Of course, I can understand that Sky wanted/needed a British GC contender for the Tour, but everyone is bigging up his chances overall a little too much.
All the ifs, buts and maybes - "if I had bridged that gap", "if I had paced myself better at Annecy" etc.............if you were capable, then why didn't you do it? That's how bike races are won.
I can see him peforming well again at the Tour, as he is a real talent, but he doesn't have the attacking instinct/change of pace to win it in the mountains - there are better climbers - and he is merely on a par with other major GC contenders in the ITTs.
We heard all the hyperbole again from Sky after the TTT win in Qatar - a great ride/peformance BTW - about studying the road, corners, wind etc. They're becoming masters of stating the bleedin' obvious and dressing it up as 'marginal gains' to Joe Public?!0 -
Well said.
I read today that Lampre's DS, Saronni, is upset with the big-budget, anglo teams throughing their weight around. I really think there are going to be times in the season when some of the smaller teams will take the opportunity to work Sky over.Contador is the Greatest0 -
pedro118118 wrote:I struggle to get my head around the whole Wiggo thing.
Of course, I can understand that Sky wanted/needed a British GC contender for the Tour, but everyone is bigging up his chances overall a little too much.
All the ifs, buts and maybes - "if I had bridged that gap", "if I had paced myself better at Annecy" etc.............if you were capable, then why didn't you do it? That's how bike races are won.
I can see him peforming well again at the Tour, as he is a real talent, but he doesn't have the attacking instinct/change of pace to win it in the mountains - there are better climbers - and he is merely on a par with other major GC contenders in the ITTs.
We heard all the hyperbole again from Sky after the TTT win in Qatar - a great ride/peformance BTW - about studying the road, corners, wind etc. They're becoming masters of stating the bleedin' obvious and dressing it up as 'marginal gains' to Joe Public?!
All the ifs buts and maybes are a response to the question of how to beat Contador. He's not moaning about what happened but stating how he could improve, how else is he supposed to answer that question???????????????????????????????????
I guess you would have him say I don't have the attacking instinct blah blah blah. Or as FF says let his legs do the talking, I bet that will make for a good interview!
Now as for Sky banging on about marginal gains, funnily enough there were plenty of teams yesterday and in the past not making the most of them so why shouldn't they be pointed out0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Well said.
I read today that Lampre's DS, Saronni, is upset with the big-budget, anglo teams throughing their weight around. I really think there are going to be times in the season when some of the smaller teams will take the opportunity to work Sky over.
So presumably Saronni wouldn't accept an increase in sponsorship if Lampre offered him one then? It's just sour grapes that teams from English speaking nations are taking over cycling and the Europeans don't like it. They have very rarely taken to English speaking riders. It seems to offend them that they can no longer dictate bike racing either in the back rooms or on the road.
I don't think Brad will win a GT, personally I'd like to see Dan Martin joining Sky in the future as I feel he has a genuine chance of following in his uncle's tyre tracks but with his history with British Cycling I'm not sure if that will ever happen.0 -
The Prodigy wrote:pedro118118 wrote:I struggle to get my head around the whole Wiggo thing.
Of course, I can understand that Sky wanted/needed a British GC contender for the Tour, but everyone is bigging up his chances overall a little too much.
All the ifs, buts and maybes - "if I had bridged that gap", "if I had paced myself better at Annecy" etc.............if you were capable, then why didn't you do it? That's how bike races are won.
I can see him peforming well again at the Tour, as he is a real talent, but he doesn't have the attacking instinct/change of pace to win it in the mountains - there are better climbers - and he is merely on a par with other major GC contenders in the ITTs.
We heard all the hyperbole again from Sky after the TTT win in Qatar - a great ride/peformance BTW - about studying the road, corners, wind etc. They're becoming masters of stating the bleedin' obvious and dressing it up as 'marginal gains' to Joe Public?!
All the ifs buts and maybes are a response to the question of how to beat Contador. He's not moaning about what happened but stating how he could improve, how else is he supposed to answer that question???????????????????????????????????
I guess you would have him say I don't have the attacking instinct blah blah blah. Or as FF says let his legs do the talking, I bet that will make for a good interview!
Now as for Sky banging on about marginal gains, funnily enough there were plenty of teams yesterday and in the past not making the most of them so why shouldn't they be pointed out
Frankly, I'm not really interested in Wiggo's PR assault, I'm interested in how he performs on the bike. For me, he gets far too much press attention as it is, given his comparatively modest palmares. Yes he's an Olympic hero, but he's moved on from that and should be judged on what he doesn on the road. Start winning some (proper) races and then talk.0 -
If you are not interested don't bloody read it then!
Don't read what he says, slam him for it and then say you are not interested(which is clearly not true otherwise we wouldn't be here right now)
You are the one judging him by what he says rather than what he has achieved on the road.0 -
Pross wrote:
I'd like to see Dan Martin joining Sky in the future as I feel he has a genuine chance of following in his uncle's tyre tracks but with his history with British Cycling I'm not sure if that will ever happen.
I wondered about this myself. My understanding of the situation was that Martin's move to the Irish was quite matter of fact. BC said they couldn't give him enough support at the time so he moved over. I may be wrong but I wasn't aware of any animosity there.
I'm personally more interested in Martin than I am Wiggins or Cav, regardless of nationality. Martin can attack and win mountain stages whereas Wiggins is simply doing a very good job of keeping up with the climbing specialists. I'd rather see Martin win a Grand Tour after attacking in the mountains rather than see Wiggins win one in a time trial.
Cav is great at what he does, but I'd trade in all of his stage wins to see Martin break away to win one mountain stage.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
dulldave wrote:Pross wrote:
I'd like to see Dan Martin joining Sky in the future as I feel he has a genuine chance of following in his uncle's tyre tracks but with his history with British Cycling I'm not sure if that will ever happen.
I wondered about this myself. My understanding of the situation was that Martin's move to the Irish was quite matter of fact. BC said they couldn't give him enough support at the time so he moved over. I may be wrong but I wasn't aware of any animosity there.
I'm personally more interested in Martin than I am Wiggins or Cav, regardless of nationality. Martin can attack and win mountain stages whereas Wiggins is simply doing a very good job of keeping up with the climbing specialists. I'd rather see Martin win a Grand Tour after attacking in the mountains rather than see Wiggins win one in a time trial.
Cav is great at what he does, but I'd trade in all of his stage wins to see Martin break away to win one mountain stage.
But TTs are what wins all GTs, and Martin just hasn't got that TT ability. If you're saying that you'd rather take a mountain stage win over a possible GT victory by Wiggins then you're mad.0 -
keef_zip wrote:But TTs are what wins all GTs, and Martin just hasn't got that TT ability. If you're saying that you'd rather take a mountain stage win over a possible GT victory by Wiggins then you're mad.
TT's win the Tour. Mountains win the Giro. High tolerance to boredom wins the Vuelta.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:keef_zip wrote:But TTs are what wins all GTs, and Martin just hasn't got that TT ability. If you're saying that you'd rather take a mountain stage win over a possible GT victory by Wiggins then you're mad.
TT's win the Tour. Mountains win the Giro. High tolerance to boredom wins the Vuelta.
Menchov won the Giro this year with his TT.....0 -
keef_zip wrote:If you're saying that you'd rather take a mountain stage win over a possible GT victory by Wiggins then you're mad.
Well that's not what I was saying. But even if it wa,s I'm not sure how it would make me mad. Whatever pleases me is pretty much my business.
What I said was that I'd trade all of Cav's tour wins for an impressive mountain stage win like wot Robert Millar did.
It doesn't take a long memory to find a Tour that wasn't won in the TT. Try the year before last for example. Sastre won the Tour on Alpde d'Huez and protected it in the TT.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
keef_zip wrote:Menchov won the Giro this year with his TT.....
That's some crystal ball you have there.
Menchov won last year's Giro by creating a gap in the TTs then defending it in the mountains. Di Luca (with some assistance) tried his damnedest to drop Menchov in the mountains and failed.0 -
keef_zip wrote:dulldave wrote:It doesn't take a long memory to find a Tour that wasn't won in the TT. Try the year before last for example. Sastre won the Tour on Alpde d'Huez and protected it in the TT.
Indeed, but that's something D Martin wouldn't be able to do.
What gain time in the mountains and limit his losses in a TT? In time I reckon he'll be able to do that. I'm not talking about 2010 here.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
A lot of GT contenders start out as good climbers who can't TT particularly well but they improve their TT skills with experience (possibly due to getting stronger as they mature?) so who knows? I think it's harder to start as a natural TT rider and improve your climbing skills as your body type is so critical in climbing. Wiggins is trying to do it this way but I don't think he will get to the position where he can gain time in the mountains rather than just hold his own. He will need to make enough gains in a TT that he can then defend.0
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Pross wrote:A lot of GT contenders start out as good climbers who can't TT particularly well but they improve their TT skills with experience (possibly due to getting stronger as they mature?) so who knows? I think it's harder to start as a natural TT rider and improve your climbing skills as your body type is so critical in climbing. Wiggins is trying to do it this way but I don't think he will get to the position where he can gain time in the mountains rather than just hold his own. He will need to make enough gains in a TT that he can then defend.
Indurain seemed to managed quite well doing so though.
He is only 23 so he has still got 2-3 years to develop his TT skills.x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
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Indurain was a one off and won TTs by such huge margins which allowed him to defend or even for the likes of Chiapucci to go off on breaks / win stages in the mountains.
Agree on Martin's age and time to develop though which is basically what I was saying.0 -
I'd love to be proved wrong but I haven't seen anything to suggest Dan Martin is a likely future GT winner. He's potentially a very good climber and I could see him as a super domestique in the mountains but is there anything he's done to show he'll be more than that ?
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
Bakunin wrote:I hate them,
Wiggins is a tosser. You have to like that doper Millar though.
What an idiotic two sentences, but in keeping with this sad little place on the web.
Many Brits will be racing their socks off for a place Sky in 2011 and beyond. Can't you clowns see what a good aspiration a British professional team is for the youth of our country?0 -
PauloBets wrote:Bakunin wrote:I hate them,
Wiggins is a tosser. You have to like that doper Millar though.
What an idiotic two sentences, but in keeping with this sad little place on the web.
Many Brits will be racing their socks off for a place Sky in 2011 and beyond. Can't you clowns see what a good aspiration a British professional team is for the youth of our country?
I was youth not very long ago. Can't say discussing marginal aggregate gains was a real turn on then, nor is it now.
Di Luca and Ricco on the other hand....Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie.0 -
PauloBets wrote:Bakunin wrote:I hate them,
Wiggins is a tosser. You have to like that doper Millar though.
What an idiotic two sentences, but in keeping with this sad little place on the web.
Many Brits will be racing their socks off for a place Sky in 2011 and beyond. Can't you clowns see what a good aspiration a British professional team is for the youth of our country?
Wasn't that meant to be sarcasm ?
Apart from that I don't think anyone really hates Sky, we aren't talking football rivalry here, just some people are attracted to the Brailsford way and others aren't - we don't have to support Sky just because they are a GB registered team do we ?
Personally I'm a fan of Wiggins, Sky not so much, I'll be hoping for WIggo come the TdF but I'm not suddenly going to start cheering for EBH etc just because they ride for Sky.
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The Prodigy wrote:If you are not interested don't bloody read it then!
Don't read what he says, slam him for it and then say you are not interested(which is clearly not true otherwise we wouldn't be here right now)
You are the one judging him by what he says rather than what he has achieved on the road.
That's just it - he hasn't won anything of note on the road yet.0 -
pedro118118 wrote:The Prodigy wrote:If you are not interested don't bloody read it then!
Don't read what he says, slam him for it and then say you are not interested(which is clearly not true otherwise we wouldn't be here right now)
You are the one judging him by what he says rather than what he has achieved on the road.
That's just it - he hasn't won anything of note on the road yet.
He may not have won anything on the road but by achieving 4th place he made himself a contender and as such he is now talking like one.
Its not like he is walking round saying he's going to blow everyone apart in PR, just saying how he hopes to contend even more successfully in the TDF.
You haven't achieved anything on the road so I guess you should keep your mouth shut too?0
