Has anyone ever seen a ghost ?
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BigDarbs wrote:MattC59 wrote:
Just to put the record straight on the bumble-bee myth. This originated because some aircraft engineers applied the theory of aircraft flight to insects and conculded that if a bumbe-bee was an aircraft it couldn't fly. They did not take into account the fact that insects flap 4 wings, they are not an aircraft, they do not glide. Insects use 3 flight methods to gain lift - delayed stall, rotational circulation and wake capture.
(Can you tell I spent my early engineering days testing rocket engines!!)
Happy to stand corrected.
Thanks fellas, esp Darbs, some good info.
Oh - and I think Isaw a ghost a cuppla times, but am not certain. My aunt has had some odd experiences in old houses tho....being slapped on the backside by 'nobody' was one of them...0 -
in fact i've seen two that i know of.0
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I saw Santa Claus a week or so ago and I'm now looking forward to seeing the Easter Bunny in a few month's time..........Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
I saw someone riding one once, in Spain. It was german i think. . .0
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With every respect to everyone reading this topic, I'm going to bow out before I offend someone.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
ffs. Why do the people who are correct never want to offend people? this is how the Nazis got into power. Don't bow out with your dignity intact, punch them in the face with truth and facts... it's the only way they'll learn.MattC59 wrote:With every respect to everyone reading this topic, I'm going to bow out before I offend someone.0 -
Apologies to OP, but I just can't get the image of the Reich sweeping to power because the German public were being too polite.
"I didn't really want to excute those communists or that gypsy, but Heinrich is such a lovely fellow and a great host, I didn't want to upset him after he'd gone to all the trouble of preparing those lovely schnitzels"0 -
It's not about politeness, it's about backing down to someone's glaringly incorrect beliefs. I may have stretched it with the nazi thing though....0 -
NoJustice for the 960
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disquieting_museeuws wrote:it's possible that Tigers terrify their prey at the last second with a deep roar.
:roll: really? you're kidding me?
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Infamous wrote:
It's not about politeness, it's about backing down to someone's glaringly incorrect beliefs. I may have stretched it with the nazi thing though....
Nope, it's about respecting his beliefs even though they're poles apart from mine. And, as it involves a family member and dj clearly believes this family members recollection, I didn't want to offend with my often harsh way of rebutting his account.
That's his opinion, I have mine. What's the point in offending someone whom you don't know, over a trivial matter, over the internet ?
Had the subject in question been of any consequence, I would have stood my ground and explained my point.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
Infamous wrote:
It's not about politeness, it's about backing down to someone's glaringly incorrect beliefs. I may have stretched it with the nazi thing though....
Beliefs can never be incorrect. They are after all only beliefs. I choose to believe in ghosts because it pleases me. I choose not to believe in god. you can show me physics till the end of days - i won;t change my mind.
Why does that upset you so much?0 -
MattC59 wrote:Infamous wrote:
It's not about politeness, it's about backing down to someone's glaringly incorrect beliefs. I may have stretched it with the nazi thing though....
Nope, it's about respecting his beliefs even though they're poles apart from mine. And, as it involves a family member and dj clearly believes this family members recollection, I didn't want to offend with my often harsh way of rebutting his account.
That's his opinion, I have mine. What's the point in offending someone whom you don't know, over a trivial matter, over the internet ?
Had the subject in question been of any consequence, I would have stood my ground and explained my point.
Excellent post, MattC59, and one that's rarely seen on t'interweb. ON a thread that's discussing the Other, you've accepted the otherness of other people. A rarity.0 -
Porgy wrote:Beliefs can never be incorrect. They are after all only beliefs.
I believe you'll find that you are actually wrong.0 -
Thread of the year imo0
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TheDrunkMonk wrote:Porgy wrote:Beliefs can never be incorrect. They are after all only beliefs.
I believe you'll find that you are actually wrong.
ooooooh parodox
spooky
anyway - I've seen two ghosts at least. So they're real or I'm mad.0 -
NO, but I know some people who know some people who know some people who apparently ...0
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deptfordmarmoset wrote:MattC59 wrote:Infamous wrote:
It's not about politeness, it's about backing down to someone's glaringly incorrect beliefs. I may have stretched it with the nazi thing though....
Nope, it's about respecting his beliefs even though they're poles apart from mine. And, as it involves a family member and dj clearly believes this family members recollection, I didn't want to offend with my often harsh way of rebutting his account.
That's his opinion, I have mine. What's the point in offending someone whom you don't know, over a trivial matter, over the internet ?
Had the subject in question been of any consequence, I would have stood my ground and explained my point.
Excellent post, MattC59, and one that's rarely seen on t'interweb. ON a thread that's discussing the Other, you've accepted the otherness of other people. A rarity.
Didn't disapear, just been lurking
Anyway..... thanks Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
I've got an interesting story. I'm afraid it's second-hand, which to the philiosophers on here reduces its validity, and I accept this. Interesting nevertheless. It's also worth pointing out the following:
- I don't believe in ghosts and have certainly never seen one.
- That said, neither do I believe that it's completely impossible that there could be such a thing.
- This story was told to me by my father who is possibly the most cynical, skeptical man I know. He says it's true...
So, over 20 years ago we used to live near Manchester in a road of pre-war bungalows. Next door to us lived a very happily married couple in their 50s.
One day my father saw the couple arrive home and then walk back outside the house and start arguing. This became a more and more frequent occurrence; whenever they returned home they would enter the house and then we would hear arguing. The arguments increased in magnitude.
As they were friends of my parents my father finally asked them what the issue was. It turned out to be one of those trivial matters that married couples fall out over... when they went out and came back home they found lights or kitchen appliances left on and were arguing about who was to blame.
They finally decided that the only way to address this issue was to both check the lights and appliances when they left the house, and so they fell into a routine where they would walk round together making sure everything was switched off. Nevertheless, when they returned they found the lights switched on or the oven on or the kettle boiling... enough to cause them concern.
The upshot was tht they contacted a local minister who visited the house and caried out an exorcism. There was no shrieking and wailing, no rumbling or earthquake and no flashing lights. However, they never again had any problems with the house and, I believe, still live there.
So there... not the most dramatic telling of the story and I offer no explanations and no conclusions I'm afraid but I have it on good faith that that was what happened.0 -
Never seen a ghost but things used to dissappear and reappear in the old house. They were usually mundane things such as keys, letters, documents, household items but two items stand out for particular mention:
I keep my motor details in a folder. In 2002 I went to get the insurance certificate to renew the tax disk. There was no certificate in the pack. Is searched every item in the folder as did the wife. Later in the day and the wife asked when I'd found the I certificate. I mentioned that I hadn't. However the certificate was now laid on the top of the folder on the dining room table.
Secondly, again in 2002, I'd been working in the back garden and had left the side gate open whilst I barrowed five tonnes of soil from the driveway. The dog had been with me all day either in the garden or in the house. The wife came home from work at around 4pm and, not being given the usual welcome home by a very excitable pooch, asked where he was. We then searched the garden and then the house. He wasn't downstairs and, as the internal doors were closed he couldn't have been upstairs - the wife looked anyway. We came ourt of the front door and began to search the local area - the wife on foot and me on the bike. We kept returning to the house in case he'd come home on his own. The wife went into the lounge to change her work shoes. After an hour or so we agreed to go back to the house to consider what next to do.
The wife opened the front door and went into the lounge only to receive the usual manic welcome from the dog. There was absolutley no way he was in there when we left or when the wife went in to change her shoes.
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Haven't posted before so I hope it's not bad manners to jump in here, but this is a fascinating thread. Also apologize for the length of the post, can't think of how to shorten it and still give the believers and non believers here the relevant info. Had an experience 7 years ago and am still not sure if ghosts exist...
I was in New Orleans for the weekend when this happened. This was before the big flood and the entire city was wide open for business. We were staying at a hotel that had just been opened - a historic renovation from a former phone company building. I was glad this hotel had opened because my parrot goes with me everywhere, and I knew this chain accepted pets. I checked in and proceeded to set the laptop up along side the parrot travel cage, in the first room which had a large desk. Checked my email first thing and saw where I'd been forwarded an email from a customer of the business I worked for, a customer several states away that I had never personally met.
About this time my baby started getting fractious (baby being the parrot). Again, this is a travel hardened amazon parrot that was used to different hotels, places, etc and to this day he has a very calm demeanor. (Unless food is involved - he about does backflips for people food)
So there I am, on the laptop, and there the bird is, next to me, acting upset and completely out of character. I was able to have an IM conversation with the customer regarding the part I had neglected to ship while this is going on. At one point I apologized for taking so long to respond and explained that I was calming a ruffled pet. The customer, a woman, chirps in via IM, asking me to confirm that my pet was a parrot. Amazed that she would guess that, I asked her what made her think that. She proceeded to tell me she is psychic. I proceeded to tell myself she is psycho, not psychic. But then she continues and tells me she can see that the parrot is in a strange place and that what is bothering him is the ghost of a woman that had committed suicide in this place. She told me the woman (ghost that is) only wanted to see the bird- that the ghost was learning the parrot.
I'd never told her I was in a strange place. I'd never told her my pet was a parrot.
The parrot got more and more upset and I got off the laptop mighty quick. My baby hopped onto my arm and we grabbed the elevator down to the lobby with me half thinking to ask for another room. In the elevator was the hotels' new general manager. Feeling like a complete idiot, I told him something of what I had just experienced. He told me that during the renovation the construction crews had refused to work after dark, that several workers had complained that they had seen the ghost of a woman. He also told me that a phone operator in the 20's had jumped off the top story of the building....
We didn't switch rooms. No more trouble occurred. My daughter, who was with me, thought that this was weird, but that the woman was full of it. Additionally, I returned to that hotel twice more, with my bird, before the flooding of 2005. Nothing happened on either of those visits. Haven't returned to New Orleans since the flooding.0 -
...web cam?..............
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The function room at Brannigans in Manchester has/had a huge heavy table in it that apparently has been known to move around of its own accord.
I used to work at the Kodak phooprocessing place in Old trafford and there used to be running footsteps across the upstairs storeroom that just stopped mid way across the floor and every Monday Morning that stockroom would look like a tornado had blown through it over the weekend (factory closed).
It turned out that the footsteps stopped at the point where an old lift shaft had been and a child had fallen down it and died 100 odd years before when it was a warehouse. I never heard the footsteps but saw the mess made and there was no way at all that heavy stuff could have been moved by draughts.
The building is posh flats now, I'd love to know if the top floor residents had similar experiences.0 -
Is it because some people are pre-disposed to believe (ie they want to believe) in ghost's are the ones most likely to experience something ?
Personally I don't believe in them, but if people have seen/heard/felt them then that must be true for them, who am I to argue ?0 -
Well the weirdest experience of my life was in my mother in law's cottage in a little Norfolk village.
It's about 250 years old - completely detached and in its own grounds.
There were 4 of us in the kitchen - me, my wife, my daughter and the m in law. Suddenly we could hear someone stomping around on the floor above. I thought nothing of it right away as it was a noise I heard quite often whenever anyone went upstairs. then I suddenly realised that there was no-one else except the four of us in the kitchen. My M in law said - "oh, that's the ghost". I was sceptical.
It continued for a few minutes so I bravely decided to go upstairs to see what was up there. It was broad daylight, I'd never have done it at night.
As I walked upstairs the noise continued - the stair case led up to the 3 rooms upstairs, a tiny bathroom, a small bedroom to the left, and a large bedroom to the right. As I reached the top of the stairs the banging had switched rooms from the small room above the kitchen to the larger one and it wasn't just the floor being stomped on, now the banging was coming from the ceiling of the bedroom, like someone was stomping in the non-existent loft space. I went in to the large bedroom and walked into the middle of the room, slghtly scared, but not overly so. Now the banging went into overdrive randomly occuring on every wall around me and on the ceiling - like somone playing a massive set of drums. I could see nothing. Stayed for a while - no idea how long - and eventually walked back down stairs. The banging stopped as soon as I got downstairs.
spooky! I haven't been back since for various reasons.0 -
dmclite wrote:Is it because some people are pre-disposed to believe (ie they want to believe) in ghost's are the ones most likely to experience something ?
Personally I don't believe in them, but if people have seen/heard/felt them then that must be true for them, who am I to argue ?
I'm fascinated with the concept and was long before I saw - or heard - one.
What we call ghosts actually breaks down into many many seperate phenomena - the two i experience for example - one was just banging and the other was a very clear apparition - so why do we refer to all these disparate phenomena as "ghosts".
I don't accept that it's all one pheneomena and I certainly don;t accept that what we call ghosts is anything to do with dead people.
And I do believe that a large part of it is down to "atmospherics" - some places are just creepy and people think they experience things that are probably entirely in their mind. On the other hand some people defintiely see things - I can vouch for that. But - again - does that mean what they is literally and physically in front of their eyes. That I can't say.
There was an interesting study a while back - a database of roadside ghosts made up of many independently reported sightings across Britain. I seem to remember that the outcome was that the same sort of apparitions/ experiences were reported in the the same corresponding locations - proving that something objective was going on - but whether that experiences were being induced by the location, or whther people were reporting the same 'ghosts' reoccuring in the same locations - the study made no conclusions on that.0 -
Sounds good scullyman,most expect the theatrics of hollywood and are disappointed,i'm glad the place is calm now.
Good story Porgy,your not mad btw 0 -
crumbschief wrote:Sounds good scullyman,most expect the theatrics of hollywood and are disappointed,i'm glad the place is calm now.
Good story Porgy,your not mad btw
phew! 0 -
...there's a small humped road bridge near where i work which, when its dark and slightly misty, the lights of my car reflect off something nearby and it looks like a misty ghost -like figure hovering over the bridge...it disappears as the car drives through it............0
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Mothyman wrote:...there's a small humped road bridge near where i work which, when its dark and slightly misty, the lights of my car reflect off something nearby and it looks like a misty ghost -like figure hovering over the bridge...it disappears as the car drives through it............
It would be interesting to know if it's ever been written up anywhere as a ghostly sighting.0
