Has anyone ever seen a ghost ?
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My older sister claims to have seen a ghost of our gran-ma. At the time she was gravely ill and living in Portsmouth. The Dr down there had told her she had gastric flu (whatever that is). Whlst lying in bed very ill appearently this ghost of our grand-ma appeared and told her she must go home immediately.
My sis and her husband travelled up overnight at her insistance as she was frightened she was going to die. On arrival here the Dr was called and he said she had accute jaundice and sent her and her husband straight to hospital where they were put in isolation. It turned out she had some kind of kidney failure and had she stayed in Portsmouth she'd have been dead within 24-36hours.
Personally I think the "ghost" was just my sis being in a delerious state, but she will not be shaken on this and that my grand-ma appeared as her guardian angel, as the two of them had always been very close.Tail end Charlie
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I stayed in the most haunted place in Wales - Tyn Dawr I think it's called - it's owned by UCLan and is just outside Llangollen. Lots of stories from staff who all seemed very genuine but I didn't see/feel a thing despite looking. Nothing , not a peep. To be honest I'd love to see one but I suspect that it's all in the imagination.'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0
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Going back to the physics part, wasn't there a scientist years ago who suggested many apparitions were natural magnetic recordings such as from triboelectric (ie generated from wool, silk and other stuff) which were more common in old houses rather then the plastics in modern.CAAD9
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A few have suggested that but it still breaks the laws of physics. Vic Tandy's work doesn't though, and he hasn't come back from the dead to says that he was wrong either.Ollieda wrote:
The earth has been known to be globular for thousands of years and as pointed out above scientists and mathematicians have even calculated how big and how round it is. The flat earth' was a belief and it was a wrong belief held by people who either didn't know about or who didn't believe the science - just those who believe in ghosts, spirits and ghoulies.0 -
It was proven to the non believers that the earth was not flat.
So prove it to me then that ghosts do not exist. Until you do I will continue to believe that they do, if you don't mind.It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****.0 -
Ghosts aren't against the laws of physics. Not really.
There's an accepted interpretation of quantum mechanics popularly known as the many worlds interpretation. This states that any time that more than one outcome could possibly occur, all outcomes will occur, with the various outcomes branching into alternate universes. Most ghosts are said to be people who were murdered, executed etc.
Under the MWI, there are universes where these people were not killed, parallel to our own. It's possible that the appearance of ghosts is due to a breakdown in the barrier between these alternate universes. So ghosts aren't really the souls of dead people wandering around. They're images from another universe, or dimension if you prefer.0 -
wicked wrote:It was proven to the non believers that the earth was not flat.
So prove it to me then that ghosts do not exist. Until you do I will continue to believe that they do, if you don't mind.
To you, I raise Bertrand Russell's Teapot
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wicked wrote:It was proven to the non believers that the earth was not flat.
So prove it to me then that ghosts do not exist. Until you do I will continue to believe that they do, if you don't mind.
The burden of proof rests with the believers, not the non-believers.
We can also never absolutely prove the non-existence of anything.0 -
balthazar wrote:wicked wrote:It was proven to the non believers that the earth was not flat.
So prove it to me then that ghosts do not exist. Until you do I will continue to believe that they do, if you don't mind.
To you, I raise Bertrand Russell's Teapot
re. the burden of proof
I guess I posted too late
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why would that apply to dead and murdered people only? does it have a selection process. The supposed links to parallel universe which are blackholes no matter or energy can emerge from them so how would this energy get across that barrier.not even light can emerge from them.whyamihere wrote:Ghosts aren't against the laws of physics. Not really.
There's an accepted interpretation of quantum mechanics popularly known as the many worlds interpretation. This states that any time that more than one outcome could possibly occur, all outcomes will occur, with the various outcomes branching into alternate universes. Most ghosts are said to be people who were murdered, executed etc.
Under the MWI, there are universes where these people were not killed, parallel to our own. It's possible that the appearance of ghosts is due to a breakdown in the barrier between these alternate universes. So ghosts aren't really the souls of dead people wandering around. They're images from another universe, or dimension if you prefer.0 -
Wouldn't have to be dead/murdered people, but you would imagine that people dying of natural causes would die in almost all of the universes, making the chance of an image of the person appearing in a different one a lot smaller.rake wrote:
why would that apply to dead and murdered people only? does it have a selection process. The supposed links to parallel universe which are blackholes no matter or energy can emerge from them so how would this energy get across that barrier.not even light can emerge from them.whyamihere wrote:Ghosts aren't against the laws of physics. Not really.
There's an accepted interpretation of quantum mechanics popularly known as the many worlds interpretation. This states that any time that more than one outcome could possibly occur, all outcomes will occur, with the various outcomes branching into alternate universes. Most ghosts are said to be people who were murdered, executed etc.
Under the MWI, there are universes where these people were not killed, parallel to our own. It's possible that the appearance of ghosts is due to a breakdown in the barrier between these alternate universes. So ghosts aren't really the souls of dead people wandering around. They're images from another universe, or dimension if you prefer.
Black holes aren't links between universes. Black holes aren't holes at all, they're areas where matter and energy is condensed into an infinitesimal space, thus creating essentially infinite density. What you may be thinking of is wormholes. We don't know the properties of wormholes, or if they can even exist, because we've never observed one and nobody knows how to make one.
Note: This is a theory I came up with in about 5 minutes. I haven't thought it through entirely, it's just a little something to show that even things which are against common sense may not be against the laws of physics.0 -
Once did a Ouija board with a friend. Glass moved by itself! Name it spelt out was my mates still-born sister. Only Father/Mother knew of it.
Father freaked out with us when we told him what we had done!
Haven't done it since...put the craps up us at 12yrs old.0 -
Well I'm convinced.Splottboy wrote:Once did a Ouija board with a friend. Glass moved by itself! Name it spelt out was my mates still-born sister. Only Father/Mother knew of it.
Father freaked out with us when we told him what we had done!
Haven't done it since...put the craps up us at 12yrs old.0 -
I've not but my son has, a story of great detail not likely to be made up by a 6year old (who has show little in the way of creative imagination in the following 13 years), whch was corrobborated by one of the old dears that lived nearby and was big pals with the previous occupants of the house who had the same experience and got a medium in who got the full story and it re-occurred with our brand new complete strangers neighbours 8 months later.
identical details and occurrences. Too long to reproduce here but clothing, mannerisms and descriptions identical in all instances
I'm an atheist, scientist and completely believe that my boy had several visits from and conversations with a bloke that died not long after the war.0 -
Gotta play this thread
Don't see anything wrong with laws of physics. After all quantum mech has things appearing in two places at same time - not being where supposed to be - multiple dimensions etc etc. So don't see any issues with that.
However logically.....
How many billions of people have died in the world. Say 6Bn in world now, avg life 60, so what 10 million die per year. How many billions have died since humans began (whatever that means!)... ie a hell of a lot.
So if ghost exists why is it that only the odd fruitcake ever sees them (or a 6 year old - sorry :oops: ). If there are billions upon billions upon billions of dead and a small percentage become ghosts - there would still be a hugh number of ghosts. When we went to the shops it would be.... "oh excuse me mr ghost could I just reacth to get a tin of cat food, excuse me I just need to get to the dog food.... f'kin ghosts in the queue all the time.... EXCUSE ME WHY DON'T YOU ALL F**CK OFF AND LEAVE THE SPACE TO THE LIVING>>>>.
Nothing to do with phyiscs it's just common sense.0 -
I've called him worse.
This fella had a story of guilt and a big personal reason to want to stay and chat to the kids to make sure that they were happy. My dad and grandparents are dead, a very good friend died a couple of years back on his motorbike - nothing. maybe its not all dead people but just ones with a huge emotional attachement to a certain place, or its a resonance in the building??????0 -
On what basis do you 'believe'? I presume that you've never seen one and don't know anyone who has, so what's the rational?djbarren wrote:No never seen one but,
I do believe in demons who do have the ability to manifest themselves, and manipulate the matter around them.
By the same token, what about gnomes, cyclops', the easter bunny, dragons?A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject - Churchill0 -
Never seen a ghost. I've seen the occasional odd thing that I couldn't explain, but I don't believe that they were ghosts.
Unsuprisingly, there's no documented proof of ghosts existing, so until there is, it's all rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
Ghosts / paranormal activity etc are the same as religion. They're a way of explaining something which we don't understand / can't explain.
eg;
I don't understand why I'm on this earth or how we got here, therefore there must be a creator / god.
or
I don't understand what I've just seen / heard, therefore it must be a ghost.
In the words of Tim Minchin
If anyone can show me one example in the history of the world of a single
Psychic who has been able to prove under reasonable experimental conditions that they are able to read minds
And if anyone can show me one example in the history of the world of a single
Astrologer who has been able to prove under reasonable experimental conditions that they can predict events by interpreting celestial signs
And if anyone can show me one example in the history of the world of a single
Homeopathic Practitioner who has been able to prove under reasonable experimental conditions that solutions made of infinitely tiny particles of good stuff dissolved repeatedly into relatively huge quantities of water has a consistently higher medicinal value than a similarly administered placebo
And if anyone can show me just one example in the history of the world of a single
Spiritual or religious person who has been able to prove either logically or empirically the existence of a higher power that has any consciousness or interest in the human race or ability to punish or reward humans for there moral choices or that there is any reason - other than fear - to believe in any version of an afterlife
I’ll give you my piano, one of my legs, and my wife
I think the sentiment can be applied to ghosts too Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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Some people believe that ghosts are the energy that was part of the living person, the body has electrical signals generated by the brain and according to Wikipedia....
Any form of energy can be transformed into another form, but the total energy always remains the same. This principle, the conservation of energy, was first postulated in the early 19th century, and applies to any isolated system. According to Noether's theorem, the conservation of energy is a consequence of the fact that the laws of physics do not change over time.
So, if energy always remains the same...how come my batteries always run out on my bike lights?0 -
djbarren wrote:No never seen one but,
I do believe in demons who do have the ability to manifest themselves, and manipulate the matter around them.
I watch "Charmed" too...............
Not a flame, just couldn't resist it Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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djbarren wrote:...... My father has had dealings with numerous people who have been Demon posessed...........
Be fair dj, you can't drop a morsel like that with out expanding on it
Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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Tempestas wrote:Some people believe that ghosts are the energy that was part of the living person, the body has electrical signals generated by the brain and according to Wikipedia....
Any form of energy can be transformed into another form, but the total energy always remains the same. This principle, the conservation of energy, was first postulated in the early 19th century, and applies to any isolated system. According to Noether's theorem, the conservation of energy is a consequence of the fact that the laws of physics do not change over time.
So, if energy always remains the same...how come my batteries always run out on my bike lights?
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One theory that intrigues me is that ghostly hallucinations along with feelings of dread & depression can be caused by very low frequency sound (infrasound). These sound waves can be created by things like church organs, the wind echoing in old buildings or ancient tombs, or more mundane things like the resonance set up by an extractor fan.
http://www.mendhak.com/89-low-frequency-ghosts.aspx
Animals such as Elephants & Tigers use infrasound to communicate, and it's possible that Tigers terrify their prey at the last second with a deep roar. It's also been mooted that a Tiger's roar could cause hallucinations in people because their low roar has a similar resonance to that of the human eyeball, which interests me as I sometimes work near big cats (they don't need extra weapons to terrify me, it should be said).0 -
BigJimmyB wrote:So do Bumblebees......
I think you're referring to one of the hoariest old myths, often dragged out by anti-intellectuals who never understood science. I had thought it was long gone, but in the internet age it has flourished again.0 -
BigJimmyB wrote:
No they don't, that's an urban (country?) myth.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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MattC59 wrote:
Just to put the record straight on the bumble-bee myth. This originated because some aircraft engineers applied the theory of aircraft flight to insects and conculded that if a bumbe-bee was an aircraft it couldn't fly. They did not take into account the fact that insects flap 4 wings, they are not an aircraft, they do not glide. Insects use 3 flight methods to gain lift - delayed stall, rotational circulation and wake capture.
(Can you tell I spent my early engineering days testing rocket engines!!)0 -
djbarren wrote:Sorry but it involves a member of the family, therefore I feel it is not fair to disclose a vague account of what happened to him.
Fair enough............ and please don't take this as insult to yourself or your family, it's not intended that way........... but an awful lot of paranormal experiences end up as vague accounts.
:?Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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yes - I have.0
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