Basso doing Giro and Tour next year

moray_gub

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Well, according to the fans of that other returnee and his gospel, you cannot be immediately back to peak form, after several years absence.
So, considering Basso's rustiness, I'd say 2-4/5 places in 2 GTs must bode well for 2010.
After all, fans of that other returnee trot out his similar results, to argue that he will be fighting for overall Tour victory, come next season.
Given that Basso is 6 years his junior and he is already several years past his use by date.....

Of course, none of this factors in a Contador approaching his peak and Schleck with a further year of development, under his belt.

You are stretching it a bit there i havent seen or heard anybody say the other returnee will be fighting for overall victory in next years Tour. He will never beat Contador and he knows it as well.

moray_gub

redddraggon wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

who doesnt ? this forum would be an incredibly dull dull place if we all agreed with each other.

Arguments are good. Where would we be without the eccentrics like DennisN and the LA Fanboys, to ensure balance with the realists.

:twisted:

I suppose you come into the category of realist then ? Mmmm its not that long ago you were being mocked as some sort of climbing Superman in another thread so i suppose being tagged a realist is a step in the right direction for you.

moray_gub

teagar wrote:

My point is "pants".

Fair enough - I'm convinced.

Well if you want to believe that he only intened to dope then fair enough

teagar

Moray Gub wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

who doesnt ? this forum would be an incredibly dull dull place if we all agreed with each other.

Arguments are good. Where would we be without the eccentrics like DennisN and the LA Fanboys, to ensure balance with the realists.

:twisted:

I suppose you come into the category of realist then ? Mmmm its not that long ago you were being mocked as some sort of climbing Superman in another thread so i suppose being tagged a realist is a step in the right direction for you.

You're more interested in picking out the inconsistencies in people's opinions, which everyone has, than actually engaging in the arguments discussed.

It certainly doesn't work when you confuse people...

moray_gub

teagar wrote:

You're more interested in picking out the inconsistencies in people's opinions, which everyone has, than actually engaging in the arguments discussed.

It certainly doesn't work when you confuse people...

Try the sewing bee forum mate the pace is so much slower in there

teagar

Moray Gub wrote:

teagar wrote:

You're more interested in picking out the inconsistencies in people's opinions, which everyone has, than actually engaging in the arguments discussed.

It certainly doesn't work when you confuse people...

Try the sewing bee forum mate the pace is so much slower in there

Sorry - was busy cycling.

moray_gub

teagar wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

teagar wrote:

You're more interested in picking out the inconsistencies in people's opinions, which everyone has, than actually engaging in the arguments discussed.

It certainly doesn't work when you confuse people...

Try the sewing bee forum mate the pace is so much slower in there

Sorry - was busy cycling.

you can cycle and post at the same time.........wow.....what skills !

blazing_saddles

Moray Gub wrote:

You are stretching it a bit there i havent seen or heard anybody say the other returnee will be fighting for overall victory in next years Tour. He will never beat Contador and he knows it as well.

There are certainly a few on the CN forums, who think he's on track to give Berto a run for his money.
I agree with you in thinking they have broken the elastic on that one.
However, I'm sure that the other returnee still believes he can win another TDF.
His doubt will be over whether he can do so, with the Spaniard present.

redddraggon

Moray Gub wrote:

I suppose you come into the category of realist then ?

Well TBH I'm more a fan of Cancellera/Boonen/Cavendish/Pozzato/Ballan/Gilbert than the GT crowd. The whole LA thing is boring.

Moray Gub wrote:

Mmmm its not that long ago you were being mocked as some sort of climbing Superman in another thread

huh? I'm a poor climber, never professed to be otherwise.

dave_1

redddraggon wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

who doesnt ? this forum would be an incredibly dull dull place if we all agreed with each other.

Arguments are good. Where would we be without the eccentrics like DennisN and the LA Fanboys, to ensure balance with the realists.

:twisted:

why the ad hominem comment?... just cause we don't agree LA is doped...we must be brainwashed...that's argument to the man...that's "you're so stupid you're incapable of rational reasoning of argument A and B"...that's unfair...

the equal of the fanboy tag is we call you bitter losers? Is that fair? No

iainf72

Moray Gub wrote:

teagar wrote:

My point is "pants".

Fair enough - I'm convinced.

Well if you want to believe that he only intened to dope then fair enough

But as an evidence fan, do you agree the only evidence is that Basso intended to dope? After all, the evidence was bags of blood which hadn't been used...

So in this case you'll disregard the evidence and let your opinion guide you?

frenchfighter

Good thread now at the bottom of the hill. Usual rubbish.

blazing_saddles

I didn't think your post was that bad! :P

Anyhow, bringing it back on track, with a bit of a surprise, considering Liquigas have "finalized" next year's roster.......
......Rumour........

Kreuziger to Omega-Pharma-Lotto

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/Ar ... 122009_004

:? :? :?

teagar

Blazing Saddles wrote:

I didn't think your post was that bad! :P

Anyhow, bringing it back on track, with a bit of a surprise, considering Liquigas have "finalized" next year's roster.......
......Rumour........

Kreuziger to Omega-Pharma-Lotto

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/Ar ... 122009_004

:? :? :?

Presumably Lotto have a bit of extra cash now that Evans left. Shrewd move in my book.

dave_1

frenchfighter wrote:

Good thread now at the bottom of the hill. Usual rubbish.

usual rubbish is from you picture man-get a life will you!!

frenchfighter

Haha those that dislike photos are imo people to be wary about...

FJS

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Kreuziger to Omega-Pharma-Lotto

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/Ar ... 122009_004

:? :? :?

That's a bit enthusiastic - the article writes that Kreuziger was approached by Lotto, but that he said no. He could of course be persuaded, but so could many others.

What the article does confirm is that Lotto are looking for a GT rider, and taking last year's top20 as basis for their search.

moray_gub

iainf72 wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

teagar wrote:

My point is "pants".

Fair enough - I'm convinced.

Well if you want to believe that he only intened to dope then fair enough

But as an evidence fan, do you agree the only evidence is that Basso intended to dope? After all, the evidence was bags of blood which hadn't been used...

So in this case you'll disregard the evidence and let your opinion guide you?

Its called playing Devils advocate Merely pointing out that t Ivan gets a benefit of doubt that the other returnee would never get.You cant have it both ways you condemn the other returnee and his team at sometimes on the most flimsiest of evidence and here as i say your giving Ivan a benefit of doubt that another doesnt get.

moray_gub

Dave_1 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Good thread now at the bottom of the hill. Usual rubbish.

usual rubbish is from you picture man-get a life will you!!

Old frenchletter does seem to complain a lot doesnt he.

dave_1

Moray Gub wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Good thread now at the bottom of the hill. Usual rubbish.

usual rubbish is from you picture man-get a life will you!!

Old frenchletter does seem to complain a lot doesnt he.

yes, I was surprised he had to dismiss the thread as rubbish when it is not bad at all. It's a little sad Frenchie has that much free time that he does the pics every week

iainf72

Moray Gub wrote:

Its called playing Devils advocate Merely pointing out that t Ivan gets a benefit of doubt that the other returnee would never get.You cant have it both ways you condemn the other returnee and his team at sometimes on the most flimsiest of evidence and here as i say your giving Ivan a benefit of doubt that another doesnt get.

Possibly because Ivan has done some things to show he's doing it fairly?

Ashenden said "you couldn't do any more" which is a fair heavy statement

frenchfighter

Dave_1 wrote:

yes, I was surprised he had to dismiss the thread as rubbish when it is not bad at all.

Clearly my standards are higher than yours, or maybe you just enjoy the silly bickering which wouldn't surprise me given you do a lot of it yourself.

moray_gub

iainf72 wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

Its called playing Devils advocate Merely pointing out that t Ivan gets a benefit of doubt that the other returnee would never get.You cant have it both ways you condemn the other returnee and his team at sometimes on the most flimsiest of evidence and here as i say your giving Ivan a benefit of doubt that another doesnt get.

Possibly because Ivan has done some things to show he's doing it fairly?

Ashenden said "you couldn't do any more" which is a fair heavy statement

Its not so much about benefit doubt now is about benefit of doubt over what he did, if the other returnee had bags of blood found in a madrid lab and said he only intetned to dope i could well imagine your reaction. My issue with Ivan was the guff he came out with when he was caught. Anyway i reckon both Ivan and Lance are both doing it clean a lot in here would choke rather than have to say that .

moray_gub

frenchfighter wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

yes, I was surprised he had to dismiss the thread as rubbish when it is not bad at all.

Clearly my standards are higher than yours,.

If it doesnt involve a picture then as Sean Kelly would say your fooked !

dave_1

frenchfighter wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

yes, I was surprised he had to dismiss the thread as rubbish when it is not bad at all.

Clearly my standards are higher than yours, or maybe you just enjoy the silly bickering which wouldn't surprise me given you do a lot of it yourself.

clearly...you're superior. Get a life ffs

afx237vi

Dave_1 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

yes, I was surprised he had to dismiss the thread as rubbish when it is not bad at all.

Clearly my standards are higher than yours, or maybe you just enjoy the silly bickering which wouldn't surprise me given you do a lot of it yourself.

clearly...you're superior. Get a life ffs

What was that you were saying about ad hominem attacks?

It's a little sad Frenchie has that much free time that he does the pics every week

usual rubbish is from you picture man-get a life will you!!

Get a life ffs

dave_1

afx237vi wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

yes, I was surprised he had to dismiss the thread as rubbish when it is not bad at all.

Clearly my standards are higher than yours, or maybe you just enjoy the silly bickering which wouldn't surprise me given you do a lot of it yourself.

clearly...you're superior. Get a life ffs

What was that you were saying about ad hominem attacks?

It's a little sad Frenchie has that much free time that he does the pics every week

usual rubbish is from you picture man-get a life will you!!

Get a life ffs

listen caller, I don't think the thread or its contibuters are rubbish and anyone who has enough free time to go posting pics every week and changing avatar every day is maybe a little quiet...life is not busy, hence get a life!

frenchfighter

Not sure why some people have to judge how people manage their time. It just so happens that some people are a lot more efficient at doing things than others. If you knew what I did for a living...

redddraggon

frenchfighter wrote:

If you knew what I did for a living...

So what do you do?

andyp

Anyone else see the irony of Dave_1 (member since 12 Dec 2006 with 7394 posts) accusing frenchfighter (member since 23 Jun 2007 with 1942 posts) of not having a life?

It's an internet forum, people waste time here. It's not important.