Compact vs. Standard
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Lol, if there were a way to get the GS in a room with no windows, I think it would have been done already.
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was just wondering where giantballsack had got to.0
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Bump for those perusing the- "craziest guy here" thread.
Just seems appropriate somehow..."I hold it true, what'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost;
Than never to have loved at all."
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so what's the conclusion, standard or compact?Pegoretti
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on-yer-bike wrote:so what's the conclusion, standard or compact?
Triple.Norfolk, who nicked all the hills?
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on-yer-bike wrote:so what's the conclusion, standard or compact?
Errmm, read through it all, make up your own mind.
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FOAD wrote:giantsasquatch wrote:I put it another way on compacts. Chew on this.
Pedalling a smaller ring ie. compact, means you are doing more pedal revolutions than a bigger ring ie. standard. You have to pedal more revolutions to go the equa\l distance or lots to do a higher cadence.
That means, you are working out your cardiovascular and aerobic system more effectively,
Yep your cardio and aerobic system will defo get to work more the more you spin, but whether that is effective varies from individual to individual surely.
Yes it varies from individual of course because there natural cadence is much lower. Not everybody can do high cadence. or prepared to do it because there body is used to there natural cadence. They start pedalling faster and think there wasting energy. They have to upgrade there engine which takes time.
At the same time they building a better resistance buffer against lactic acid.0 -
on-yer-bike wrote:so what's the conclusion, standard or compact?
Compact because extra to what's mentioned, all those extra revolutions perfects your pedalling stroke as well.0 -
giantsasquatch wrote:FOAD wrote:giantsasquatch wrote:I put it another way on compacts. Chew on this.
Pedalling a smaller ring ie. compact, means you are doing more pedal revolutions than a bigger ring ie. standard. You have to pedal more revolutions to go the equa\l distance or lots to do a higher cadence.
That means, you are working out your cardiovascular and aerobic system more effectively,
Yep your cardio and aerobic system will defo get to work more the more you spin, but whether that is effective varies from individual to individual surely.
Yes it varies from individual of course because there natural cadence is much lower. Not everybody can do high cadence. or prepared to do it because there body is used to there natural cadence. They start pedalling faster and think there wasting energy. They have to upgrade there engine which takes time.
At the same time they building a better resistance buffer against lactic acid.
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My grammar poor. We established that.
I get enough bike snobbery on the road as it is. Not that there's many out in this weather.
No wonder i'm out there on the road alone. You all busy fitting compacts!
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giantsasquatch wrote:
Compact because extra to what's mentioned, all those extra revolutions perfects your pedalling stroke as well.
what 'extra revolutions' are you talking about..?? On a standard I would turn a 52/18 on the flat whereas now I am turning 50/17at the same cadence for the same speed, give or take an inch or so.
You seem to be labouring under the mistaken belief that a compact let's you spin faster in general - whereas in the real world it simply gives you a slightly lower gear set more suited to hilly areas.0 -
Risking ridicule here .. been cycling ‘seriously’ for a year.. bought a alloy Cube with a triple to get myself going without too much damage to the wallet .. regular training rides and a few 90m Sportives.. got the first Sportive wrong and set off too hard.. a steep climb at the 85 mile mark caused me to have to get off (I can still feel the other riders I’d overtaken at the start smirking now..) .. long story short, although I’m no light weight I did a fair bit of hill training and now feel ok even on steeper longer climbs.. but still wouldn’t say the really steep climbs are a breeze even using the small ring and the 25 on a 12/25 ... enjoying myself so in the process of buying a decent bike .. Sram red compact being suggested by LBS – I understand a 11/28 is available ... what’s the view.. go with the compact and get a grip or should I consider another Ultegra triple as that’s what’s working for me now ?0
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I bought a trek madone 5.0 with a triple, did some races and sportives and i found in the sportives (white rose challenge) i'd be in the granny ring doing a set cadence and, going very slowly up the climbs.
I changed my full groupset over to dura ace 53/39 12/25 and then did the white rose challenge, i found i'd sit in the smallest gear still doing the same cadence only going much faster.
Im now on a new bike with a compact up front and 11/27.. Ive done a couple of small rides so i cant really coment yet, but i'll be doing sportives and races next year on it.
my winter bike is a single seed with 48 up front and 17 rear and i'm beating most of my clubmates up anything upto 16%... Anything over that and i strugle but no hill has beaten me yet and i've been upto 22% on it.
Seems to me its what you get used to, different gears for different people and different terrains...0 -
Thanks for that -sounds as if I need to look more towards the compact and trimming my own weight down! .. my test hill is Streatley Hill 16%+ - the annual Reading Cycle Hill Climb comp use it every September, also apparently featured in the Tour of Britain in 2008 as a designated 'King of the Mountains climb'... so I figure if I can get up that ok then all is well .. I might try and borrow a compact at the weekend and give it a shot .. I'll report back on it .. unless I fall victim to one of the heart faluires talked about at the start of this post.. in which case there's a 2010 Cervelo RS frame part paid for with Beeline bikes in Oxofrd that's up for grabs
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Quick update for anyone who's interested in triple V compact or the affects of curry on hill climbing. Borrowed a Cervelo RS (thing of beauty) with Sram force - 34 small ring 28/11 rear.. was able to propell myself and Friday nights Indain meal (which happened to be inside me at the time) up Streatly 16%+ twice in succesion Sat am. so concluded that the compact will do the job.0
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I just got a new bike (first road bike, so no experience). They fit an old compact so i could try it out as all i've had is a triple of my sirrus sport. I never used the small ring apart from on a couple of short hills, so went for the double instead.
I hope this doesn't mean i won't be able to get up hills now, argh...
Never been to the Surrey Hills, bit if you see someone walking up a hill one weekend if the weather's nice, it's me!0 -
I think you'll be fine.. apparently real men can manage with a double .. in fact one of the replies I had was from a chap in Yorkshire who was doing better than me on a single speed!! .. but Northerners have to make allowances for the fact that in the South we need to acompish the climb while at the same time not spilling our Starbucks skinny chi latte's with double shot and chocolate sprinkles ;-) ... the most annoying aspect of my first sportive was the fact I wore out a pair of cleats through walking too far in them .. cured the situtuation through throwing myself up every hill I could see for a few months.0
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softlad wrote:giantsasquatch wrote:
Compact because extra to what's mentioned, all those extra revolutions perfects your pedalling stroke as well.
what 'extra revolutions' are you talking about..?? On a standard I would turn a 52/18 on the flat whereas now I am turning 50/17at the same cadence for the same speed, give or take an inch or so.
You seem to be labouring under the mistaken belief that a compact let's you spin faster in general - whereas in the real world it simply gives you a slightly lower gear set more suited to hilly areas.
Generally as a beginner if you start training you not upto to super fitness obviously. So using a compact you pedalling a smaller ring, doing more revolutions in a lighter gear. This trains you faster to perfect your pedalling stroke ready for when you up your training. So it becomes a natural progression. Of course you spin faster. To equal or beat a speed of a bigger ring, then pedalling a smaller ring you have to pedal faster. You can't spin faster sustained if you body and legs are not upto it, either due to ill health or another adapted lower cadence, lack of high cadence training.
Why is it i am now after several months of training at a super high cadence with a compact i'm starting to overtake seasoned clubber's on a certain well known club route with lighter bodies and lighter bikes! I'm going much faster with less effort. They are old skool. I have trained different and harder on a heavier bike, rain or shine. It all down to the training style and dedication. They are better on the hills though. Give me time! I have no f'ing choice!0 -
Glad to hear you're overtaking seasoned old skool clubbers 0
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chriskempton wrote:Glad to hear you're overtaking seasoned old skool clubbers
Are you trying to suggest light veterans are rubbish. Far from it. One word capillaries.0 -
Nice to see the campaign isn't over and giantsasquatch is still mental and grammatically stunning.
Spin to win.......................on a double. :evil:0 -
giantsasquatch wrote:Generally as a beginner if you start training you not upto to super fitness obviously. So using a compact you pedalling a smaller ring, doing more revolutions in a lighter gear. This trains you faster to perfect your pedalling stroke ready for when you up your training. So it becomes a natural progression. Of course you spin faster. To equal or beat a speed of a bigger ring, then pedalling a smaller ring you have to pedal faster. You can't spin faster sustained if you body and legs are not upto it, either due to ill health or another adapted lower cadence, lack of high cadence training.
Why is it i am now after several months of training at a super high cadence with a compact i'm starting to overtake seasoned clubber's on a certain well known club route with lighter bodies and lighter bikes! I'm going much faster with less effort. They are old skool. I have trained different and harder on a heavier bike, rain or shine. It all down to the training style and dedication. They are better on the hills though. Give me time! I have no f'ing choice!
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There is more than one way to train. I see you need Jesus. Don't let your narrow mindedness totally consume you.
I will stick to common sense, facts and science.0 -
giantsasquatch wrote:
I will stick to common sense, facts and science.
that would be a novelty.....0 -
COMPACTS are outselling STANDARDS and will become the NEW STANDARD.
Compact - Train smarter and value your knees.0
