Compact vs. Standard

a_n_t

Jesus! are you still going?

giantsasquatch

nmcgann wrote:

The "best cadence" discussion is pretty futile as it's so person-specific.

That's what i keep telling them but they don't see that from me. A compact in the right hands is superior. I think they just pissed because they been training for years on a standard and finding out compacts are superior, and by then they too old to switch there training to enter the Tour De France.

Compact - Bringing back the passion to cycling

giantsasquatch

a_n_t wrote:

Jesus, are you still going?

Yes of course he is, because he uses a compact.

giantsasquatch

nasahapley wrote:

I ride a triple, does that mean I'm due to win the TdF?

It like chinese whispers. Absorb the facts man.

Switch to a compact now and with good training 4 years from now, you have a chance with the Compact Team©.

giantsasquatch

@infamous

Due to my helpful nature, I give you all the advice you need. Tell me your history, diet, training, and we go from there. There is always a ton of improvements that can be made or refined and bad habits cured.

Best PM me, otherwise we have one massive team for the Tour De France.

giantsasquatch

nmcgann wrote:

It's futile to try and emulate someone else's optimum cadence.

Neil

Totally agree, everybody has there own natural one of course, and not everybody into spinning, partly due to health reasons or because they suit a lower cadence. Those spinning classes in gyms make everybody do the same RPM together, you have no choice. Best to train on your own and set your own high standards.

giantsasquatch

keef66 wrote:

I would rather be in the group who risk death cycling up hills rather than the group who risk death on the toilet while smoking the first cigarette of the day.

You can't compare riding up in an easier gear abit slower, to smoking on the toilet. At the very least you outside the house up a hill breathing fresher air, due to the higher altitude.

More people die of heart attacks because they don't do any form of exercise, than those who have heart attacks brought on by exercise.

Of course, but that doesn't mean you can eat and live other parts of your life unhealthy, just because you doing loads of exercise. There is lots of variables. Poor sleep. Lack of certain nutrients, for example, not getting enough magnesium in your diet which is one of life's essentials. You could get plenty of calcium, but if you not getting enough magnesium then body can't absorb the calcium good. And people reward themselves with bad stuff just because they done the exercise. The quality of food was alot better in your parents day.

Good heallth to you.

Infamous

giantsasquatch wrote:

Due to my helpful nature, I give you all the advice you need. Tell me your history, diet, training, and we go from there. There is always a ton of improvements that can be made or refined and bad habits cured.

Best PM me, otherwise we have one massive team for the Tour De France.

I'll risk it.

History: I have been riding once a week for 2 months, never owned a track pump and started off with a standard double but wasn't fit enough so had to change it for a compact.

Diet: Loads of magnesium.

Training: I ride up hills at about 2 mph and often have to walk, but I tell everyone that I spin up them at 100 rpm, should I be telling people I spin up at 120 rpm?

Goals: I would like to go on the internet and tell people who know more about the subject than me, how i'm right and they are wrong; ignoring all facts. You can prove anything with facts.

giantsasquatch

Absurd, you make some generalizations and irrational comments. According to you 2+2=5.

When did i say take loads of magnesium? lol. All i said is important to get the right amount of nutrition or magnesium as a side point. Why would i suggest 120RPM when i don't even know you? You take everything out of context. I not forcing any facts on anybody. The facts i covered is what i studied, done from my past graft and experience over time and my opinion only. I have just replied to a non topic.

99% has ignored my advice anyway from beginning, so chill out. At least i got you thinking.This thread is entertaining at the very least.

This thread is on compacts and standards, so stay that way. I got to say standards are on the decline. You can tell from a poor defense of standard chainsets in this thread. Oh and some have got poor standards :shock: .

Compact - Not for illogical types

nmcgann

I think The Jan best explains the fundamental truth of gearing in his well-known Q&A session:

Q: Oh great and mighty Jan, who doth fill this vale of tears with fire and death with every stroke of your massive thighs, why do you ride such big gears. - Eli from Valencia

A. Because the cycling is pain. The cycling is soul crushing pain. The cycling is meant to make mothers weep, to make children scream, to crush the souls of the weak. The cycling is not spin class. Sure the Jan could ride a gear that is being the size of a tea cup, like Marinara Boy Basso, but the Jan is not here to dance. The Jan is here to reap.


(with respect to a certain member of this forum )

giantsasquatch

That's why Jan got infamously beat by an infamous spinner up an infamous mountain. No respect for Jan, just another hardcore druggie. All he had to do was improve his VO2 max and he could saved all that pain.

Compact - Victory with less pain

Compact - Retire with your legs still intact

nmcgann

:roll:

a_n_t

giantsasquatch wrote:

a_n_t wrote:

Jesus, are you still going?

Yes of course he is, because he uses a compact.

I meant you you doughnut.

a_n_t

giantsasquatch wrote:

That's why Jan got infamously beat by an infamous spinner up an infamous mountain.

Not on an infamous compact though was he?

AllTheGear

giantsasquatch

a_n_t wrote:

giantsasquatch wrote:

a_n_t wrote:

Jesus, are you still going?

Yes of course he is, because he uses a compact.

I meant you you doughnut.

Sure, but you missed the joke just abit like the irony here. I thought it was time for a joke as we had the truth, which is always ridiculed at first.

Champions train, losers complain.

Compact - live longer

giantsasquatch

a_n_t wrote:

giantsasquatch wrote:

That's why Jan got infamously beat by an infamous spinner up an infamous mountain.

Not on an infamous compact though was he?

When you have a giant natural VO2 max already you can use anything. We don't all have huge VO2 max, so to improve it, a compact is ideal for the type of training that is required to improve it. As i said before once you got to that ability then you can change. Compact will maximise your training for all terrain.

He does use a 11-25 cassette.

Ivan Basso uses a compact and so does Carlos Sastre. Are they big enough names for you?

redddraggon

giantsasquatch wrote:

Ivan Basso uses a compact and so does Carlos Sastre. Are they big enough names for you?

Carlos Sastre only uses a compact because his 38T Rotor inner ring won't fit onto a 130mm BCD.

FOAD

giantsasquatch wrote:

@Foad

Do us all a favour and yourself one, keep out of the thread as you clearly have no interest, except to make derogatory comments. Nobody wants to read your worthless contributions. Sounds like your the troll.

My friend, actually contributing anything worthwhile on this thread would be futile because thus far anything anyone else has said that didn't agree 100% with your opinion gets dismissed by you and your BS in 6 consecutive posts.

You are, despite clearly having good intentions, a complete laughing stock! The fact that you still persisiting with the same user name not only suggests that you are mildy deluded at best, but very thick skinned into the bargain.

and

giantsasquatch wrote:

I thought it was time for a joke...

no need for extra jokes, you're a big enough one for this thread on your own.

Keep up the good work, you're amazing!

giantsasquatch

Foad the chav, your the typical snot troll because you contributed nothing here. That speaks volumes, You obviously got issues with yourself. You have dedication, dedication only to be a bald-headed hairy-arsed spunk-bubble. Of course some will disagree, there is more than one way to train. At least beginners are aware of the differences. I say again. I am just passing through. It pretty obvious the standards are stubborn here, probably from too long sat on there lazy ass, on a forum. I cycle 175-190 miles every week, last week at 94RPM average on the flat, on a standard. Also 1 hour on a trainer every day at 90-110 RPM. Average 30 miles a day. Not bad for me getting back into it.

softlad

giantsasquatch wrote:

Foad the chav, your the typical snot troll because you contributed nothing here. That speaks volumes, You obviously got issues with yourself. You have dedication, dedication only to be a bald-headed hairy-arsed spunk-bubble.

sounds like you're the one with the issues, fella...

anyway, how do you know he's bald-headed..?

markos1963

giantsasquatch wrote:

Foad the chav, your the typical snot troll because you contributed nothing here. That speaks volumes, You obviously got issues with yourself. You have dedication, dedication only to be a bald-headed hairy-arsed spunk-bubble. Of course some will disagree, there is more than one way to train. At least beginners are aware of the differences. I say again. I am just passing through. It pretty obvious the standards are stubborn here, probably from too long sat on there lazy ass, on a forum. I cycle 175-190 miles every week, last week at 94RPM average on the flat, on a standard. Also 1 hour on a trainer every day at 90-110 RPM. Average 30 miles a day. Not bad for me getting back into it.

If you are averaging 94rpm then why the hell do you need a compact?

amaferanga

markos1963 wrote:

giantsasquatch wrote:

Foad the chav, your the typical snot troll because you contributed nothing here. That speaks volumes, You obviously got issues with yourself. You have dedication, dedication only to be a bald-headed hairy-arsed spunk-bubble. Of course some will disagree, there is more than one way to train. At least beginners are aware of the differences. I say again. I am just passing through. It pretty obvious the standards are stubborn here, probably from too long sat on there lazy ass, on a forum. I cycle 175-190 miles every week, last week at 94RPM average on the flat, on a standard. Also 1 hour on a trainer every day at 90-110 RPM. Average 30 miles a day. Not bad for me getting back into it.

If you are averaging 94rpm then why the hell do you need a compact?

He just said he uses a standard!

redddraggon

amaferanga wrote:

markos1963 wrote:

giantsasquatch wrote:

Foad the chav, your the typical snot troll because you contributed nothing here. That speaks volumes, You obviously got issues with yourself. You have dedication, dedication only to be a bald-headed hairy-arsed spunk-bubble. Of course some will disagree, there is more than one way to train. At least beginners are aware of the differences. I say again. I am just passing through. It pretty obvious the standards are stubborn here, probably from too long sat on there lazy ass, on a forum. I cycle 175-190 miles every week, last week at 94RPM average on the flat, on a standard. Also 1 hour on a trainer every day at 90-110 RPM. Average 30 miles a day. Not bad for me getting back into it.

If you are averaging 94rpm then why the hell do you need a compact?

He just said he uses a standard!

pwned

Infamous

Thread of the year imo

AllTheGear

giantsasquatch wrote:

I cycle 175-190 miles every week, last week at 94RPM average on the flat, on a standard. Also 1 hour on a trainer every day at 90-110 RPM. Average 30 miles a day.

Just think how much fitter and faster you'd be on a Compact.

nasahapley

giantsasquatch wrote:

It pretty obvious the standards are stubborn here, probably from too long sat on there lazy ass, on a forum.

I sat on a stubborn lazy ass on Blackpool beach, no way was the bugger going above about 4mph.

I realise this is a really sh1t joke, I'm just doing my bit to get this thread to the 300 mark.

And sorry to be a pedant GS, but if you average 30 miles a day, you'd be doing around 210 miles a week, not between 175 and 190.

giantsasquatch

markos1963 wrote:

If you are averaging 94rpm then why the hell do you need a compact?

Because my old bean. As i have already said. It covers all terrain to do a higher cadence, such as extreme hills. I have used a compact which suits my style in past. The bike at moment doesn't have a compact. I can still do high on the flat when i switch to compact this week.

The beginners will soon be overtaking you.

Setup myself up for pop easy jokes. Never saw them coming. /sarcasm

AllTheGear

giantsasquatch wrote:

I have used a compact which suits my style in past.

We've already established that was a mountain bike.

giantsasquatch wrote:

The bike at moment doesn't have a compact.

Are you sure you have a bike?

giantsasquatch

nasahapley wrote:

And sorry to be a pedant GS, but if you average 30 miles a day, you'd be doing around 210 miles a week, not between 175 and 190.

You forgot to count the trainer. Nobody does bang on. I rounded it up to the nearest mile.