titanium - winter / all round bike. Help!

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  • Pork Sword
    Pork Sword Posts: 213
    Ti is great for Winter abuse no matter where it's made....
    let all your saddles be comfy and all your rides less bumpy....
  • donnie murdo
    donnie murdo Posts: 986
    The above mentioned head angle is for one size of frame only (medium).

    Here are the facts:

    Geometry
    S(50) M(52) L(54) XL(56) XXL(58)
    Size equivalent (cm) (if comparing to a traditional geometry) 52 54 56 58 60
    Seat Tube (mm) – Centre to Top 500 520 540 560 580
    Equivalent Top Tube Length (mm) – Centre to Centre 530 540 550 566 577
    Seat Angle (deg) 74.6 74 73.5 73 73
    Head Angle (deg) 72 72.5 73 73 73.5
    Head Tube Length (mm) 120 135 150 165 180

    I have no idea why the head angle 'should be 71.5' unless it is a extra small frame. In fact having looked at Litespeed, Lynskey, Van Nichols all have the same head angles of between 72-73 depending on frame size.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    This is pretty good, comes with a decent fork and good(ish) headset:

    http://www.cycleswag.com/cycleswag/fram ... eadset.php

    The link might say "EC70" but it's an Alpha Q fork really which are top notch.

    "Sabbath Bicycles Silk Road Frame & Alpha Q CS20 fork & Ritchet WCS Headset"
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Alpha Q stuff is excellent.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Alpha Q stuff is excellent.

    It's expensive too normally - that fork is normally around £200, so that frameset is a "bargain*"

    *assuming you can look past it's looks
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  • PHcp
    PHcp Posts: 2,748
    ScottieP wrote:
    If you look at the Fatbirds site there are deals on titanium frames for about £799 including forks and headset - so the Planet X deal isn't amazing - it's decent - just not amazing if you're looking for really aggressive pricing.

    I always like to compare like with like - The PX is a double butted frame, the cheapest double butted frame from Fatbirds is I think £1,250 (With fork & headset) The cheapest Sabbath double butted frame is I think £1599 with fork.
    The only really comparative frame to the PX Sportive is the Enigma Etape at £1,130 frame only.
    That PX price is a bargain.
  • balthazar
    balthazar Posts: 1,565
    There's a thorough and interesting article by a US vendor of Chinese ti frames here:

    http://www.habcycles.com/techstuf.html
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    redddraggon wrote:
    hopper1 wrote:
    redddraggon wrote:
    Personally I prefer the idea of a Lynskey american-made frame, over a chinese made frame with cheap forks and headset.

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Chinese built, it's just Lynskey have such a good reputation.

    Care to explain why my forks and headset are 'cheap'? :shock: :evil:

    Where do PX source their forks?

    To OP, Greg Roche is a member of this forum, and may butt in with his five penneth.... :wink:

    Cro Magnon headset? never heard of them

    ITM Visia fork - cheap and Nasty.

    My P-X is going to have a Chris King headset and EC90 SLX fork

    They'll be your choice, not shop spec...
    We all have choices, if I rub away at the Ritchie graphics, maybe I'll uncover 'Cro Magnon'... Maybe not.
    I take it the VNT AX Carbon are just rebadged ITM Visia's.

    The frame is Chinese, yes, but the rest of the bike is what you make it, depends on the depth of your pocket, etc...
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    You should all sell up and get a Litespeed Siena.

    It's the only sensible choice.
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    NapoleonD wrote:
    You should all sell up and get a Litespeed Siena.

    It's the only sensible choice.

    Would my (now working) Topeak rear light fit? :wink:

    Oh, and will my nuts stop going numb, too?... :oops:
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    hopper1 wrote:
    They'll be your choice, not shop spec...
    We all have choices, if I rub away at the Ritchie graphics, maybe I'll uncover 'Cro Magnon'... Maybe not.
    I take it the VNT AX Carbon are just rebadged ITM Visia's.

    The frame is Chinese, yes, but the rest of the bike is what you make it, depends on the depth of your pocket, etc...

    Well the P-X is frame only......so of course it'll be my choice.

    And the VN I (me - which I was I talking about in the post you originally quoted) was considering came with the ITM fork and Cro Magnon, where was I talking about what you bought?

    I take it you never read the posts properly?
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  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    Calm down.

    I'm confused enough as it is about my options, without a squabble.

    I need a new car as well. It never ends.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    You shouldn't be confused, I thought I cleared it all up in my last post!

    :o
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    redddraggon wrote:
    hopper1 wrote:
    They'll be your choice, not shop spec...
    We all have choices, if I rub away at the Ritchie graphics, maybe I'll uncover 'Cro Magnon'... Maybe not.
    I take it the VNT AX Carbon are just rebadged ITM Visia's.

    The frame is Chinese, yes, but the rest of the bike is what you make it, depends on the depth of your pocket, etc...

    Well the P-X is frame only......so of course it'll be my choice.

    And the VN I (me - which I was I talking about in the post you originally quoted) was considering came with the ITM fork and Cro Magnon, where was I talking about what you bought?

    I take it you never read the posts properly?

    I did read the posts...

    The VN's, like the PX's are available to any spec you wish.
    You appeared to state that if you bought a VN, it would be Chinese (true), with cheap forks and headset (it's all optional)
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • spanielsson
    spanielsson Posts: 776
    NapoleonD wrote:
    You shouldn't be confused, I thought I cleared it all up in my last post!

    :o

    It cleared it all up for me, Just about to ebay the Madone and the Sabbath and get a Litespeed!

    New car? Don't bother, get a Litespeed Archon. You may freeze your balls off, but you will look awesome.
  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    Would you take £25 and a used coffee maker for the Sabbath?
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    Scrumple wrote:
    Calm down.

    I'm confused enough as it is about my options, without a squabble.

    I need a new car as well. It never ends.

    I want a new car, too.... Lets not start that one on here.... :wink:
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2009
    Scrumple wrote:
    Would you take £25 and a used coffee maker for the Sabbath?

    I'll take £25 and a used coffee maker for Spanielssons Sabbath.... :twisted:
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • spanielsson
    spanielsson Posts: 776
    Scrumple wrote:
    Would you take £25 and a used coffee maker for the Sabbath?

    Mmmmm, what kind of coffee maker?! :wink:
  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    Gaggia Classic.

    You are tempted, now, aren't you!
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    spanielsson wrote:
    Scrumple wrote:
    Would you take £25 and a used coffee maker for the Sabbath?

    Mmmmm, what kind of coffee maker?! :wink:

    This one -

    http://elitechoice.org/2008/01/25/20000-coffee-maker/
  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    I do have a vacpot (syphon brewer) ...

    But not that one, Nap!
  • hopper1
    hopper1 Posts: 4,389
    NapoleonD wrote:
    spanielsson wrote:
    Scrumple wrote:
    Would you take £25 and a used coffee maker for the Sabbath?

    Mmmmm, what kind of coffee maker?! :wink:

    This one -

    http://elitechoice.org/2008/01/25/20000-coffee-maker/

    How can they say that it serves the 'ideal' cup of coffee? Surely that's a personal thing... :roll:
    Start with a budget, finish with a mortgage!
  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    Vacpots are superb if you have a good bean and it is fresh.
    Anyone neat Nottingham is welcome to try some if they are near. Trust me, they are as good as it gets when it comes to coffee.


    Now, do I want 2 or 3 wheels on this ti bike I am thinking about?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    hopper1 wrote:
    NapoleonD wrote:
    spanielsson wrote:
    Scrumple wrote:
    Would you take £25 and a used coffee maker for the Sabbath?

    Mmmmm, what kind of coffee maker?! :wink:

    This one -

    http://elitechoice.org/2008/01/25/20000-coffee-maker/

    How can they say that it serves the 'ideal' cup of coffee? Surely that's a personal thing... :roll:

    Maybe it serves the ideal cup of coffee for them?
  • spanielsson
    spanielsson Posts: 776
    Is the coffee maker a worthwhile swap Alex?!!
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Well my P-X is ordered - just need a fork now.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    spanielsson wrote:
    Is the coffee maker a worthwhile swap Alex?!!

    Depends how much you like coffee!
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    redddraggon wrote:
    Well my P-X is ordered - just need a fork now.

    Keep us posted on the fork and indeed finishing kit choice redddraggon, interesting as I just may go down the same route. CK headset a no-brainer of course!
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    giant mancp wrote:
    redddraggon wrote:
    Well my P-X is ordered - just need a fork now.

    Keep us posted on the fork and indeed finishing kit choice redddraggon, interesting as I just may go down the same route.

    Fork will probably be an EC90 SLX. Got a Chris King headset on the way too.

    I've got a 120mm 6deg 3T Arx Team stem and 40cm Rotundo Pro bars sitting on my desk for it too. Everything else is coming off the Nero Corsa until I can afford Athena/Chorus 11spd. So it's going to be largely 2008 Centaur with a FSA Gossamer Chainset (it's actually loads better than the Carbon Centaur c/set it replaced)

    If a non-setback post works, I'll replace the Thomson Elite I've been using on my Nero Corsa with a 3T Doric. And when money allows an Arione with carbon rails.
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