Pushed for time?
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a_n_t wrote:
The clubrun climbed over 3000ft today, and that was the short route!
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/11315887
I passed the Manchester Wheelers yesterday as well - it was about half a mile before the turn off for Adlington. I gave you a big wave. That route you did is one of my regular runs (looks like I'm a bit slower than you lot though) Actually, now I look a bit more closely at it - time on the graphs is 3hrs 53 and the time showing on the summary is 2hrs 52mins. Just wondering why the difference? Is your Garmin on autopause? (I'm asking to try to make myself feel better because my best time for that route is about 3hrs 8 mins from my house (so about 8 miles less than you rode).
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Bhima wrote:
What's funny is that I only took one banana today, and of all the possible times and places I could have eaten it, it just had to be there in front of you lot.
Next time don't chuck the skin into the middle of the road, especially into the path of oncoming cyclists ( me ) :roll:
Dodging banana skins is not part of my training regime....0 -
It needs to be stressed, you need to be 100% physically and mentally healthy, before attempting any high intensity workout such as Tabata.
Can you manage an hour? Tabata is effective, but i find a high intense 1 hour indoor training routing is better. Alternating 1min 90RPM recovery (what recovery? haha) and 2 mins 100RPM for the high intensity. Not max effort but high enough, so you can just last the hour, ending in a big ball of sweat, and left feeling you unable to do any more. Doing such a short routine like Tabata, the legs don't have a chance to warm up enough, to get into a maximum efficient optimum rhythm. Doing a high intense 1 hour (not moderate-intensity) you get more benefits, such as more fat burning, and build better aerobic capacity and endurance. The near to max efforts makes you begging to come back for more .
You heard ride your bike, ride your bike to improve, well 1 hour is very intensive. not too little, not too much, just right for big improvement.0 -
Ant - you should have done the route backwards, it's much harder that way.
a_n_t wrote:we passed you at half eleven, so you'd only done 15 miles in 2 hours?
Yeah, multpile things slowed me right down. Took me 25 minutes to fix a puncture (remember that old thread - the tyres I spent hours trying to get on the rim?) and I stopped off at a mate's house in Styal to see if he was coming out. Ended up having a cuppa tea there.Mog Uk wrote:Next time don't chuck the skin into the middle of the road, especially into the path of oncoming cyclists ( me ) :roll:
Dodging banana skins is not part of my training regime....
I threw it before I saw you coming, sorry. Wouldn't usually do that, but I needed to grab the handlebars quick before I fell off and didn't fancy getting my bar tape all sticky.
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sandbag wrote:It needs to be stressed, you need to be 100% physically and mentally healthy, before attempting any high intensity workout such as Tabata.
Can you manage an hour? Tabata is effective, but i find a high intense 1 hour indoor training routing is better. Alternating 1min 90RPM recovery (what recovery? haha) and 2 mins 100RPM for the high intensity. Not max effort but high enough, so you can just last the hour, ending in a big ball of sweat, and left feeling you unable to do any more. Doing such a short routine like Tabata, the legs don't have a chance to warm up enough, to get into a maximum efficient optimum rhythm. Doing a high intense 1 hour (not moderate-intensity) you get more benefits, such as more fat burning, and build better aerobic capacity and endurance. The near to max efforts makes you begging to come back for more .
You heard ride your bike, ride your bike to improve, well 1 hour is very intensive. not too little, not too much, just right for big improvement.
No, I wouldn't bother trying these tabatas if I could squeeze an hour in...0 -
popette wrote:
I passed the Manchester Wheelers yesterday as well. I gave you a big wave. We had 3 groups out yesterday actually, all kinda going the same way at various speeds!popette wrote:
time on the graphs is 3hrs 53 and the time showing on the summary is 2hrs 52mins. Just wondering why the difference? Is your Garmin on autopause?
yeah, have it on autopause so an hour of gabbing! 0 -
Bhima wrote:Ant - you should have done the route backwards, it's much harder that way.
Have done loads of times but it wasn't my run and i wanted to get back for the footy.0 -
This morning's effort, managed 6 with the last 4 all looking pretty equal (crap, but equal.)
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interesting thread. i'm tempted to give this a go for a few weeks, let us know how you get onBike Pics
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Killed myself on the spinning bikes in the gym today doing this.
I was so out of breath, people were asking if I needed an ambulance and stuff. :shock: 0 -
Heh heh, it's short but it's torture!0
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No pain, no gain! 0
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Went on a longer ride today, 3 hilly hours.
Peak 1 min up from 402 to 460 (On Toot Hill... Average speed was a heady 5.1mph!!)
Peak 5 min up from ~300ish to 334 (Erm, on Toot hill... Average speed an even more eye watering 4.0mph :shock: )
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We went through Macc forest today, bout 10.30'ish I think,didn't do either of the harder climbs though!
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/117182390 -
You did the descent of doom though!
Actually I went down Standing Stone after I climbed Toot Hill, I nearly 5hat myself, full on the brakes for the first steep bit!0 -
1st heard about Tabbata lurking on the timetrialling forum , and the guys who done them rated them . Also Boardman and Wiggins are supposed to have both done them .Suburban studs yodel better than anyone else0
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NapoleonD wrote:You did the descent of doom though!
we did, and not without incident!
I came within about a foot of hitting a guy on a motorbike, fairplay to him he saw me and pulled right over, unfortunately one of our riders behind clipped him. It bent her rear mech holder and pulled the rear wheel out of the dropouts!
I've done that descent loads of times and I still never get it right on that left hander, very dangerous.
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a_n_t wrote:NapoleonD wrote:You did the descent of doom though!
we did, and not without incident!
I came within about a foot of hitting a guy on a motorbike, fairplay to him he saw me and pulled right over, unfortunately one of our riders behind clipped him. It bent her rear mech holder and pulled the rear wheel out of the dropouts!
I've done that descent loads of times and I still never get it right on that left hander, very dangerous.
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How are you finding the workout NapD?
I got a turbo yesterday and tried it - I had done a 30 minute blast and thought I am sure that they can't be that hard, lets give it a go....
3 reps later I was a big sweaty puddle and unable to keep the power up...
How often are you doing them and with what rest time - I was thinking of trying to do them each morning but I am only 4 weeks away from my first triathlon and don't want to ruin my prep by over-training or throwing my routine out!0 -
I just want to see Napd's palmres ? .......wots ya best 10 ?0
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My Palmares is outstanding.
Heh heh, best 10 was 26.12 I did on 1st July. Was hoping for sub 24 on the Macc Wheelers course this year but events put paid to that!
In terms of times to do the Tabatas, the study suggested 5 times a week so I do 2 days on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off.
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NapoleonD wrote:
In terms of times to do the Tabatas, the study suggested 5 times a week so I do 2 days on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off.
They are bloody hard!
Thanks Nap - I agree about how hard they are! I started them properly this morning - fortunately I have a day of rail travel and then work to recover that way! I found that my heart rate didn't drop to resting and I felt warmer for at least an hour afterwards - I am assuming this is the raised metabolism!
I had to give up after the 5th rep today, I was getting so much slower... I think I will avoid normal evening exercise on the same days though and give my body more recovery time, I don't want to risk overtraining or injury at the moment.0 -
Tonight's effort.
Decided beforehand that no matter how I felt I was going to do 8.
As usual was feeling bad after 4, near the end of number 6 I was ready to quit but I just kept thinking HTFU and I managed it. Phew...
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You actually kept it consistent after 4 too. I bet in a months time, you'll be able to do more before it "levels off" like that.
Did these in the gym today with my mate changing the resistance for me. I was screaming in pain after the first 2 but was so out of breath after that, I tried to scream but nothing came out! :shock:
Do you get any side stitches when doing these? I've not had a stitch in years, but got one yesterday after about the 5th burst. :?
Silly silly me - I did these on the road tonight too. :oops: It was a long, flat, straight, closed road though, so I was kinda ok...
NapD, what cadence are you doing them at? I find that (on the road, anyway), I can hold the high-speeds for longer by spinning fast, therefore spending a higher percentage of time in a high-power-output zone per burst, compared to low cadence, although i'm out of breath for longer. The low-cadence stuff allows me to catch my breath (sort of) in the recovery period whereas spinning like a maniac means my lungs are still in the red zone by the time I start the next burst.
And has anyone tried these exclusively out of the saddle yet? Gonna have a go on my next hilly ride (when it's safe).0 -
dont you wear yourself out before tomorrow night.0
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Bhima, cadence is the green line on the graph with the green numbers on the scale.
I don't think about the cadence I just pedal like a bugger on medium resistance!
It looks like the 1st one is about 130-140 then steadily down to about 1200 -
I'm well impressed, you actually increased your output at the end! What are you using to generate these results and I'm assuming the red line is heart rate and yellow is power, what are the other 2 coloured lines?
I'm a real gadget and stats geek!0 -
If you look on the right hand side it has the details there, speed (mph, blue) and Cadence (rpm, green).
The mph is irrelevant on the turbo though.
I'm using a powertap rear hub and the program is WKO+. I use WKO+ in conjunction with Trainingpeaks.com.0 -
As a advocate and fan of high intensity, i will quote Greg Le Mond.
As long as your health good. If you beginner establish a base of 300-500 road miles first.I think physiological studies back me up on this – that there's no reason not to start with high intensity right away, because it's not intensity that tires you out, it's volume.
As a pro, 90 per cent of your racing is road racing and if you look at your SRM, there's not even 10 minutes when you're sustaining a steady, flat wattage. It's always speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, and that's what you want to train like most of the time. I don't believe there's any use whatsoever in going out for seven hours and riding at a steady pace.
Quality not Quantity.0
