Think i've finally lost all respect for Liggett...

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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    dennisn wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    So what if I dislike Armstrong? (Hate is way OTT.) It has nothing to do with my opinion of Liggett, which is based entirely on his unprofessionalism.

    O.K. let's try again here.
    I don't really care who you like or dislike. That's your business.
    I'm not one way or another about LA, or anyone else, that I haven't met, for that matter.
    I take that back. I just can't stand Tom Cruise or Kevin Costner. Not sure why but that's the way it is.
    Anyway, I'm just pointing out that this "dislike" of a person colors your judgement of
    said person. Making pretty much anything you hear or read about them, "the truth", as long as it's bad, and anything that you hear or read that might be good or positive has got to be "false". I'll leave it at that.

    I completely disagree, but there you go. Let's leave it at that.

    PS Kevin Costner supports Arsenal. You can use that as your reason. Tom Cruise don't need no reasons.
  • robmanic1
    robmanic1 Posts: 2,150
    afx237vi wrote:
    PS Kevin Costner supports Arsenal. You can use that as your reason. Tom Cruise don't need no reasons.

    It's all arses with those two isn't it
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
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    They hate foreigners almost as much as Mark Cavendish.

    They hate Mark Cavendish?

    Yes, because they saw him talking to Lance Armstrong. Apparently they're completely unable to form an opinion of someone without letting their irrational hatred of LA cloud their judgement. Fact.
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    I knew I shouldn't have watched that. I feel a bit sick now (but I can't find the emoticon).
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  • robmanic1
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    afx237vi wrote:
    [They hate Mark Cavendish?

    Yes, because they saw him talking to Lance Armstrong. Apparently they're completely unable to form an opinion of someone without letting their irrational hatred of LA cloud their judgement. Fact.[/quote]

    What are these irrational hatreds you speak of? :shock:
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  • thomasmc
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    dennisn wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    So what if I dislike Armstrong? (Hate is way OTT.) It has nothing to do with my opinion of Liggett, which is based entirely on his unprofessionalism.

    O.K. let's try again here.
    I don't really care who you like or dislike. That's your business.
    I'm not one way or another about LA, or anyone else, that I haven't met, for that matter.
    I take that back. I just can't stand Tom Cruise or Kevin Costner. Not sure why but that's the way it is.
    Anyway, I'm just pointing out that this "dislike" of a person colors your judgement of
    said person. Making pretty much anything you hear or read about them, "the truth", as long as it's bad, and anything that you hear or read that might be good or positive has got to be "false". I'll leave it at that.

    Ah now Dennis, you have just gone too far with that comment!

    Have you not seen American Flyers??
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    [They hate Mark Cavendish?

    Yes, because they saw him talking to Lance Armstrong. Apparently they're completely unable to form an opinion of someone without letting their irrational hatred of LA cloud their judgement. Fact.
    What are these irrational hatreds you speak of? :shock:

    It was a joke :wink: A reply to Dennis saying my opinion of Liggett is really formed by my opinion of Armstrong.
  • robmanic1
    robmanic1 Posts: 2,150
    afx237vi wrote:
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    It was a joke :wink: A reply to Dennis saying my opinion of Liggett is really formed by my opinion of Armstrong.

    But that's only Dennis's opinion of your opinion of them, right?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,252
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
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    They hate foreigners almost as much as Mark Cavendish.

    They hate Mark Cavendish?

    Yeah. Clive Tyldsley is a die hard Man Utd fan and Cav supports Leeds, so they have to hate each other.
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    It was a joke :wink: A reply to Dennis saying my opinion of Liggett is really formed by my opinion of Armstrong.

    But that's only Dennis's opinion of your opinion of them, right?

    I don't know, I've never met him, so I couldn't possibly have an opinion about his opinion of my opinion.
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    dennisn wrote:
    Costner & Cruise
    I think it's because all their movies seem really bad to me.

    I assure you Dennis, that Costner's playing of Robin Hood, with that accent of his, was worse for us Brits

    I can't stand Nicholas Cage either.
  • robmanic1
    robmanic1 Posts: 2,150
    andy_wrx wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Costner & Cruise
    I think it's because all their movies seem really bad to me.

    I assure you Dennis, that Costner's playing of Robin Hood, with that accent of his, was worse for us Brits

    I can't stand Nicholas Cage either.

    Mel Gibson anyone (apart from the first Max films)?
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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    andy_wrx wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Costner & Cruise
    I think it's because all their movies seem really bad to me.

    I assure you Dennis, that Costner's playing of Robin Hood, with that accent of his, was worse for us Brits

    I took a pass on that one altogether.
  • Moomaloid
    Moomaloid Posts: 2,040
    I have to say that my original posting has nothing to do with my opinion on LA, its completely about my shock at how far Liggett has fallen. To actually say what he did about Bertie, for me, is just shocking... I suppose i should count my blessings that Sherwin didn't get to say anything...

    Oh and by the way, Costner - American Flyers - right on!
  • attica
    attica Posts: 2,362
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    andy_wrx wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    Costner & Cruise
    I think it's because all their movies seem really bad to me.

    I assure you Dennis, that Costner's playing of Robin Hood, with that accent of his, was worse for us Brits

    I can't stand Nicholas Cage either.

    Mel Gibson anyone (apart from the first Max films)?

    I've a nasty feeling that Gibson is Austrailian (still that's no excuse for some of his rubbishy output, not to mention his seeming hatred of the British, and he hasn't even met most of us!!! :wink: )

    As for Robin Hood, the placing of the White cliffs of Dover within walking distance of Nottingham got to me nearly as much as Costner's accent, there's a rumour that in test audiences there was cheering for Alan Rickman's character causing a re-edit before release too.
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  • avalon
    avalon Posts: 345
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
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    They hate foreigners almost as much as Mark Cavendish.

    They hate Mark Cavendish?


    Thanks Rob, first time I've laughed out loud at t'internet for yonks.
    :lol:
  • chriskempton
    chriskempton Posts: 1,245
    rockmount wrote:
    [In the split, team leadership had not yet been established


    Grrrrrrr....

    Who had the number ending in1?

    Who had the contract as team leader?

    I hate revisionism. It's the stock in trade of despots and their apologists.
  • richard wants a baum
    richard wants a baum Posts: 744
    afx237vi wrote:
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Robmanic1 wrote:
    It was a joke :wink: A reply to Dennis saying my opinion of Liggett is really formed by my opinion of Armstrong.

    But that's only Dennis's opinion of your opinion of them, right?

    I don't know, I've never met him, so I couldn't possibly have an opinion about his opinion of my opinion.

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  • mandie
    mandie Posts: 218
    I've just listened to the interview with Ligget and I think what he is trying to say is that Contador should have pulled Armstong to the summit of every climb and the pulled over to let him win and that he should have ridden both time trials (but not the TTT obviously) with the brakes on.
    Please correct me if I have misinterpreted his comments.
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  • zippypablo
    zippypablo Posts: 398
    I've a nasty feeling that Gibson is Austrailian (still that's no excuse for some of his rubbishy output, not to mention his seeming hatred of the British, and he hasn't even met most of us!!! :wink: )

    .
    Mel Gibson is American but spent part of his youth in Australia.
    Don't think he hates the British, just the English

    Phil has always been biased towards the english speaking riders (except Robert Millar).
    He would always bang on about Phil Anderson, Kelly, Roche, Yates, LeMond etc.
    He was appalled at Hinault's " treachery" in the 86 tour
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  • prawny
    prawny Posts: 5,440
    mandie wrote:
    I've just listened to the interview with Ligget and I think what he is trying to say is that Contador should have pulled Armstong to the summit of every climb and the pulled over to let him win and that he should have ridden both time trials (but not the TTT obviously) with the brakes on.
    Please correct me if I have misinterpreted his comments.

    You're almost there, he should have rode the TTT with his brakes on too but only in the last 500m so that the 5th man went across ok, but he lost time.
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  • jimmythecuckoo
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    Unsheath wrote:
    Liggett's favouritism is understandable given that both Phil and Paul's media company from which they lease out their commentary (sorry don't know the name) are on the Livestrong payroll. You'll be hard pressed to hear anything negative about lance for the 3 week telecast and absolutely never ever a reference to the D-bomb!! Personally, I consider it a conflict of interest given that the commentary should always remain neutral.

    What's the most disappointing I guess is how much the casual audience just lap it up as the truth. I know I just cringe when my mates regurgitate that crap that P&P spiel on our weekend rides.
    what he said.

    For me their time has come and fresh commentators are needed.
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  • Le Commentateur
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    edited July 2009
    mandie wrote:
    dulldave wrote:
    ...and he never liked Robert Millar.

    Something to do with his habit of only answering sensible questions from journalists I believe.
    You make him sound like Cadel Evans. :D

    Apparently Liggett was attempting an impromptu interview at some race or other and RM just turned his back on them and walked the other way. Would have been hugely embarrassing in the present era of live ITV4 broadcasts, though they have Ned Boulting as their stooge nowadays.
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  • gabriel959
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    I listen to Pedro Delgado and friends over the internet waves.

    The comment from Delgado about Armstrong when the 3 were in the podium is classic though:

    If he was going to be that misserable in the podium he should have lost more time!
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  • carbotanium
    carbotanium Posts: 12
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    mandie wrote:
    dulldave wrote:
    ...and he never liked Robert Millar.

    Something to do with his habit of only answering sensible questions from journalists I believe.
    You make him sound like Cadel Evans. :D

    Apparently Liggett was attempting an impromptu interview at some race or other and RM just turned his back on them and walked the other way. Would have been hugely embarrassing in the present era of live ITV4 broadcasts, though they have Ned Boulting as their stooge nowadays.

    I heard RM never appreciated Phil Liggett very much after hearing that Mr L had said that the Scot had first seen the TdF on the television of a tv rental shop , implying that they couldn't afford a tele' . :?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    carbotanium wrote:
    Le Commentateur wrote:
    mandie wrote:
    dulldave wrote:
    ...and he never liked Robert Millar.

    Something to do with his habit of only answering sensible questions from journalists I believe.
    You make him sound like Cadel Evans. :D

    Apparently Liggett was attempting an impromptu interview at some race or other and RM just turned his back on them and walked the other way. Would have been hugely embarrassing in the present era of live ITV4 broadcasts, though they have Ned Boulting as their stooge nowadays.

    I heard RM never appreciated Phil Liggett very much after hearing that Mr L had said that the Scot had first seen the TdF on the television of a tv rental shop , implying that they couldn't afford a tele' . :?

    IF, BIG IF, true then it would seem that RM, who was a prety good rider, was also pretty good at carrying a grudge. over pretty much nothing. IF, BIG IF.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    The amount of forum space devoted to presentors is amazing! There are so many threads. It doesn't interest me in the least which is why I don't click onto them or comment, but came across this and maybe some of you may like it. It is from 2007.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/ju ... nt.cycling
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  • nowBanned_CarbonCranky
    nowBanned_CarbonCranky Posts: 4
    Moomaloid wrote:
    Check out this interview (bottom of the list) with him on Steephill. trying to say that Alberto wasn't riding as a team player. It was HIS team!!

    http://www.steephill.tv/tour-de-france/

    you just hate it when someone that's not a hateboy on a cycling forum speaks what was obvious.

    You need to get over the idea that he's perfect and be a little concerned that's he's not the brightest bulb on the tree and he just might be vulnerable to mind games.
  • Moomaloid
    Moomaloid Posts: 2,040
    CarbonCranky wrote:
    Moomaloid wrote:
    Check out this interview (bottom of the list) with him on Steephill. trying to say that Alberto wasn't riding as a team player. It was HIS team!!

    http://www.steephill.tv/tour-de-france/

    you just hate it when someone that's not a hateboy on a cycling forum speaks what was obvious.

    You need to get over the idea that he's perfect and be a little concerned that's he's not the brightest bulb on the tree and he just might be vulnerable to mind games.

    :? :? :? Don't even understand what you are trying to say...
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Jackhammer back already? Can't a forum ban people by IP instead of username or email address?

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