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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Shoulder of Lamb wrote:
    does anyone have a live stream?

    Hunt around on justin.tv. I found one yesterday which was fine (until it was pulled 8km from the finish).

    Looking at the text on the BBC website, it sounds like Wacky Races today...
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    I find this website has all the information I need.

    DO NOT CLICK IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING AS ITS A LIVE FEED!

    http://www.letour.fr/us/homepage_courseTDF.html
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  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    "Zabriskie, Wiggins, Millar, Hesjedal and Vande Velde"

    That's a pretty good TT line-up for Garmin!
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  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    Cheers for the link DDD, that and live text makes it a whole lot easier to keep up.
    Oh and there's some grand ol' news there if anybody else has noticed. (Not saying anything incase people haven't taken the *spoiler* signs seriously)
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    cjcp wrote:
    "Zabriskie, Wiggins, Millar, Hesjedal and Vande Velde"

    That's a pretty good TT line-up for Garmin!

    Oh my god you just spoiled it! You've ruined my Tour de France.....

    :lol::lol::lol:
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  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    cjcp wrote:
    "Zabriskie
    is he the one with the Captain America disc wheel?
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Feck me! Big tings ah gwan! Today!

    Translation: Something is happening, though the significance I'm as of yet still unsure about so speculate at your own pleasure!

    But still cannot wait till 7.00pm!
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  • jedster
    jedster Posts: 1,717
    great bike, OK riders...

    It's not about the...
  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    Holy moly! I'm about to explode with anticipation. I'm not even on the edge of my seat anymore, I'm about 4 foot infront of it, levitating!!!
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    :shock:

    It's over... but what are the ground shattering implications!
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  • Rich158
    Rich158 Posts: 2,348
    A certain member of the Astana team has been put firmly in his place, who's the daddy now Mr Contador
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  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    *Spoilerific*A certain Astana member is going to be muttering two tenths! as he cries himself to sleep tonight :lol:*spoilerific*
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Wow, seperate all the drugs and controversy around whose clean (which stopped me from watching it the last two years) and the Tour is really exciting stuff!

    I haven't even seen footage and it looks exiciting (text and numbers have never been so interesting) just reading it and looking at the times it looks like Astana were in a league of their own with only Garmin being contenders.

    They really did put down the thunder. I want to know the Astana TTT line up.

    At 38, it amazes me that Armstrong can still ride that fast.

    I want to ride my bike! I want an Astana and Columbia HTC kit for X-mas.

    :shock:
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Phew!

    So, 31 seconds cover the top five. Four of them are Astana riders.

    Two flat finishes tomorrow and Thursday, so no change in the GC on those days probably.

    Then Friday's stage: the first in the mountains, with an HC mountaintop finish.

    Bruyneel will have a tough job marshalling his squad that day. It'll be civil war. Pick a side...
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  • DonDaddyD
    DonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    Greg what is a HC Mountain Top finish?
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  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    Wow, seperate all the drugs and controversy around whose clean (which stopped me from watching it the last two years) and the Tour is really exciting stuff!

    I haven't even seen footage and it looks exiciting (text and numbers have never been so interesting) just reading it and looking at the times it looks like Astana were in a league of their own with only Garmin being contenders.

    They really did put down the thunder. I want to know the Astana TTT line up.

    At 38, it amazes me that Armstrong can still ride that fast.

    I want to ride my bike! I want an Astana and Columbia HTC kit for X-mas.

    :shock:

    I don't think I've ever agreed with you so much since I joined here :lol:
    +1 to each and all of your points.
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  • Finbar Saunders
    Finbar Saunders Posts: 299
    HC=Haute Categorie. The Premiership of climbs.
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  • Sewinman
    Sewinman Posts: 2,131
    People are tweeting that they think LA sat up with 50 to go to let the other guy keep the Yellow Jersey....why would he do that?
  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Hors Categorie. Cat 4 climbs are easiest, Cat 1s are second hardest, HC are the hardest.

    Mountaintop finish means you climb all the way to the finish line. Traditionally, the attacks come on the final climb when it's a mountaintop finish day, because it's the best opportunity to break your oppos and put serious (1-2 mins) of time into them over a short patch of road.

    On the Letour website, you can pull up each day's route and then look at a profile of it.

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  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    Sewinman wrote:
    People are tweeting that they think LA sat up with 50 to go to let the other guy keep the Yellow Jersey....why would he do that?
    To rub it in Contadors face. Basically.
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Sewinman wrote:
    People are tweeting that they think LA sat up with 50 to go to let the other guy keep the Yellow Jersey....why would he do that?

    So then Saxo Bank has to defend the yellow jersey, marking any attack. A bunch fires off the front tomorrow, Saxo Bank has to chase it down to keep FC in yellow. Astana can sit back, watch, and save their energy, because they don't have yellow to lose.

    It's a plausible theory, but it sort of relies on LA thinking he has a chance to take yellow later. He may have come to the Tour to win it, but if that's not going to happen, a few days in yellow would be a good consolation prize.
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  • Deadeye Duck
    Deadeye Duck Posts: 419
    Hmm, never thought of that. I just assumed it was because of what contador said about it not changing anything (lance being closer to getting yellow than himself, and that the team plan wouldn't change), so lance just put himself as close as possible and see what contador had to say then.

    The tactical side of it makes far more sense though :lol: :oops:
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  • Rich158
    Rich158 Posts: 2,348
    Greg66 wrote:
    Sewinman wrote:
    People are tweeting that they think LA sat up with 50 to go to let the other guy keep the Yellow Jersey....why would he do that?

    So then Saxo Bank has to defend the yellow jersey, marking any attack. A bunch fires off the front tomorrow, Saxo Bank has to chase it down to keep FC in yellow. Astana can sit back, watch, and save their energy, because they don't have yellow to lose.

    It's a plausible theory, but it sort of relies on LA thinking he has a chance to take yellow later. He may have come to the Tour to win it, but if that's not going to happen, a few days in yellow would be a good consolation prize.

    I don't think LA has ever dealt with a consolation prize, if he didn't think he could win he wouldn't be riding. I put my money on him trying to take it on Ventoux :wink:
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  • greg66_tri_v2.0
    greg66_tri_v2.0 Posts: 7,172
    Rich158 wrote:
    Greg66 wrote:
    Sewinman wrote:
    People are tweeting that they think LA sat up with 50 to go to let the other guy keep the Yellow Jersey....why would he do that?

    So then Saxo Bank has to defend the yellow jersey, marking any attack. A bunch fires off the front tomorrow, Saxo Bank has to chase it down to keep FC in yellow. Astana can sit back, watch, and save their energy, because they don't have yellow to lose.

    It's a plausible theory, but it sort of relies on LA thinking he has a chance to take yellow later. He may have come to the Tour to win it, but if that's not going to happen, a few days in yellow would be a good consolation prize.

    I don't think LA has ever dealt with a consolation prize, if he didn't think he could win he wouldn't be riding. I put my money on him trying to take it on Ventoux :wink:

    If puts himself in yellow at the top of Ventoux, and puts Contador in P2, I wouldn't bet against Contador attacking him all the way to the line in Paris. :mrgreen:
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  • Stuey01
    Stuey01 Posts: 1,273
    It also assumes that Saxobank will try to defend yellow. just because they are wearing it doesn't mean they have to defend it. FC is on the same time as LA, in the bigger picture of the whole race if you assume they both have a shot at GC, it makes no difference which of them wears yellow tomorrow.
    I wish Lance was in yellow just to piss off all the haters.
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  • roger_merriman
    roger_merriman Posts: 6,165
    while he doesn't come across as a terribly nice man and can see why he divides people he does seem to have the winners character. as to if he can or not no idea as i largly don't follow racing
  • Eau Rouge
    Eau Rouge Posts: 1,118
    Sewinman wrote:
    People are tweeting that they think LA sat up with 50 to go to let the other guy keep the Yellow Jersey....why would he do that?

    I don't buy that, not with the time gaps involved, you can't control it that tightly. Was Lance even the 5th guy across the line for Astana?
    There certainly was speculation before the stage that Astana didn't want to actually end up with the jersey after the stage, but to claim they somehow contrived to be in this position by sitting up at the line is stretching things a bit far.
  • Rich158
    Rich158 Posts: 2,348
    it'll be the best finish in years :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    At the end of the day LA knows exactly what it takes to win, after all he's had something like 80 odd yellow jerseys in his career. Who said he wasn't good for the Tour, I can't remember a TdF that's been this exciting, it's going to play out like a carefully structured game of chess over the next three weeks.
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  • Stone Glider
    Stone Glider Posts: 1,227
    edited July 2009
    All that talk about a Mr LA of Texas, has anyone else noticed that a certain FC of Switzerland was also in the break?
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  • oscarbudgie
    oscarbudgie Posts: 850
    Sewinman wrote:
    People are tweeting that they think LA sat up with 50 to go to let the other guy keep the Yellow Jersey....why would he do that?

    I didn't see that at all - neither did any of the Eurosport commentators or pundits - I actually got the impression LA thought he'd got it...
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