Giro Stage 10 *Spoiler*

afx237vi

Wiggins lost 12 minutes plus. Normal service has been resumed.

leguape

afx237vi wrote:

Wiggins lost 12 minutes plus. Normal service has been resumed.

Or Brad's sensibly sat up and given himself a couple of easy days before the TT to recover a bit. No point sparking yourself out in a race you're not targeting is there?

sing_for_absolution

leguape wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Wiggins lost 12 minutes plus. Normal service has been resumed.

Or Brad's sensibly sat up and given himself a couple of easy days before the TT to recover a bit. No point sparking yourself out in a race you're not targeting is there?

sat up on a stage like this?

I worry about some of the stage views on here. All this praise and hope, which we know will only be dashed a few weeks after the event's over. It's the same year after year, yet for some reason attitudes change when the celebrity returns?

afx237vi

leguape wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Wiggins lost 12 minutes plus. Normal service has been resumed.

Or Brad's sensibly sat up and given himself a couple of easy days before the TT to recover a bit. No point sparking yourself out in a race you're not targeting is there?

I thought he was testing himself to see how high he could finish after 3 weeks.

He's still Garmin's highest placed rider. 42nd.

Noodley

colint wrote:

Why was it so ridiculous ? It was just a good late power surge wasn't it ? Wasn't it just a good performance ?

I could not help but read that in a Stewie Griffin voice... :oops: :roll:

colint

What race is he targeting ?

redddraggon

colint wrote:

What race is he targeting ?

The only thing Garmin turned up for at the Giro was the TTT

DaveyL

Blazing Saddles wrote:

I'm waiting for Davy to turn up and tell us all how much climbing there is and how it's such a hard stage.
Garzelli looks set for the win and to take back a shed load of time.
He'll probably want to lose it again, to go off in search of another stage win and the green jersey.
Soon be over...

Rogers thought it was a tough stage. Did it turn out to be the chipper you predicted? Anyway as many noted on the thread discussing the changes to the route, if the riders want to make it hard, it will be hard.

I presume your choice of avatar is dripping with irony?

iainf72

If Di Luca wins again, does that mean he'll be too expensive for the Sky Team?

DaveyL

I think already that he'll prove costly if they sign him...

camerone

afx237vi wrote:

leguape wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Wiggins lost 12 minutes plus. Normal service has been resumed.

Or Brad's sensibly sat up and given himself a couple of easy days before the TT to recover a bit. No point sparking yourself out in a race you're not targeting is there?

I thought he was testing himself to see how high he could finish after 3 weeks.

He's still Garmin's highest placed rider. 42nd.

on the team website afew days ago he said he would do some days chatting in the gruppetto.

iainf72

DaveyL wrote:

I think already that he'll prove costly if they sign him...

He's okay. He's never actually been done for doping. Just for associating with a dodgy doctor. A whole 3 month ban, and Boonen is looking at a 6 month stretch for his gak activities.

Isn't anyone who was on High Horse during 07 guilty of the same thing?

DaveyL

http://cyclingfansanonymous.blogspot.co ... y-oil.html

iainf72

DaveyL wrote:

http://cyclingfansanonymous.blogspot.com/2007/10/carlo-santucciones-poisonous-legacy-oil.html

Indeed.

Imagine what you could write about the riders in 2nd and 3'rd place with relative ease. We've got blood doping clinics, teams with instutional doping, notorious doctors, mysterious illness.

Ahhh, the new cycling.

it's like the old cycling. But with more white shorts.

afx237vi

iainf72 wrote:

DaveyL wrote:

I think already that he'll prove costly if they sign him...

He's okay. He's never actually been done for doping. Just for associating with a dodgy doctor. A whole 3 month ban, and Boonen is looking at a 6 month stretch for his gak activities.

Isn't anyone who was on High Horse during 07 guilty of the same thing?

Still trying to figure out how Di Luca only got a 3 month ban when CONI slapped Valv.piti with 2 years. The cases are quite similar, no?

Also the testosterone thing. How did he get away with that?

DaveyL

iainf72 wrote:

DaveyL wrote:

http://cyclingfansanonymous.blogspot.com/2007/10/carlo-santucciones-poisonous-legacy-oil.html

Indeed.

Imagine what you could write about the riders in 2nd and 3'rd place with relative ease. We've got blood doping clinics, teams with instutional doping, notorious doctors, mysterious illness.

That doesn't make Di Luca "OK" though, does it?

blazing_saddles

afx237vi wrote:

Because he barely looked tired at the end of a 6 and a half hour race, combined with his history, combined with the team he's on.

It certainly does seem to have benefited some riders more than others.
Having two rest days instead of one, I mean.

DaveyL

CFA sez "People lavishing praise on DDL have lost their mind. He has openly admitted that Santuccione was his "family doctor" since he was a kid."

http://twitter.com/cyclingfansanon/status/1851370653

teagar

Facile and boring doping chat aside, I did think Armstrong's ride was rather ominous. If he can finish like that already. I was hoping his age would stop him really gaining form through heavy riding.

He dropped Cunego..!

*Imperial march rumbles in background*

Similarly both Menchov and Sastre surprised me. Since when could they descend a lot better than Leipheimer!

Was expecting more from Basso today. Looks like he was slightly afraid of the distance and the final kick. I was hoping for him to really string them out on the big climb of the day.

moray_gub

iainf72 wrote:

DDL must be a shoe in for the ITT now.

It's like LBL which he excels in. Those pink wrist bands must have magic powers. Or, make it easy to get a vein up.

I sometimes wonder if certain people forget he is great at hilly classics and a great descender and he has always had an ability to climb maybe not hors categorie but a day like today tailor made for the likes him ..................ive even seen a poster say rememebr when he couldnt climb i mean wtf ?

richard wants a baum

I get the feeling that Basso saving himself for something later in the week, that or his really struggling. Waiting for DiLuca to have a bad day can he keep that this up for another week and a bit ?

moray_gub

afx237vi wrote:

calvjones wrote:

afx237vi wrote:

Sometimes I really do wonder why I bother watching this crap.

Me too. Remember when the Killer couldn't climb?

Yep.

I'm usually willing to put my disbelief to one side and just enjoy the show, but I'm really finding it increasingly difficult. That was ridiculous.

I dunno about that it wasnt that much of a disbelieving ride, he is a great at going downhill he caught and joined Pellozotti on the descent and then worked with sastre,menchov and then dropped them on the small climb at the finish.............whats so ridiculous about that no big deal really its what he is good at.

moray_gub

Blazing Saddles wrote:

DDL is on the same as the Astana boys.
Says so on his passport.
Who was better suited to that finish?
260kms, with a sharp ramp at the end.
Perfect launch pad for a classics specialist.
Today he was on the top of his game.
He has been immaculate in his preparation this year, building gradually.

He can still have that "killer" bad day at the office, though.

+1 couldnt have put it better myself, i cant understand how a classics specialist like Di Luca wins with a parcours suited to a classics specialist and its being classed as ridiculous and crap...........now if he was winning Paris-Roubaix farr enough but today ?????

Quite Frankly

According to Horner's blog he suffered a crash yesterday so that goes some way towards explaining his poor performance.

iainf72

richard wants a baum wrote:

I get the feeling that Basso saving himself for something later in the week, that or his really struggling. Waiting for DiLuca to have a bad day can he keep that this up for another week and a bit ?

He looks ok. We need to remember that we're only half way through the race and there are some hard days to come.

DaveyL

teagar wrote:

Facile and boring doping chat aside, I did think Armstrong's ride was rather ominous. If he can finish like that already. I was hoping his age would stop him really gaining form through heavy riding.

He dropped Cunego..!

*Imperial march rumbles in background*

Similarly both Menchov and Sastre surprised me. Since when could they descend a lot better than Leipheimer!

Was expecting more from Basso today. Looks like he was slightly afraid of the distance and the final kick. I was hoping for him to really string them out on the big climb of the day.

Facile? Not as facile as sweeping it all under the carpet, I suppose.

mididoctors

iainf72 wrote:

richard wants a baum wrote:

I get the feeling that Basso saving himself for something later in the week, that or his really struggling. Waiting for DiLuca to have a bad day can he keep that this up for another week and a bit ?

He looks ok. We need to remember that we're only half way through the race and there are some hard days to come.

i don't think he has got it..which is a pain as he was my PTP pick

could finish off the podium.

Moomaloid

it was an incredible ride from him. He is suspect but lets remember that Sastre was pretty much with him all the way and he's Mr Clean, so it wasn't really a crazy result... also, Di Luca doesn't get to ride the tour, so he is obviously putting everything into his home race.

I have to say that i've really enjoyed the race so far, and i think thats been down to the programming of the race. Yes some of the stages are crazy in length, its so refreshing not to have to sit through the first week of flat stages.

LangerDan

The figures for the last big climb on the stage, Pra Martino, aren't particularly exceptional. I've had to use the timings from the cyclingnews live coverage so there will be a certain degree of error but I've taken up smoking just so I can do the "back of a fag-packet" sums

Climb: Pra Martino
Elevation gain: 416m
Climb time: ~ 16 minutes (cyclingnews gave it as ~17 minutes)
VAM: 1560 m/hr (Wiggins was climbing at 1500 m/hr last week)

For DiLuca (61 kg) this would require roughly 340 - 360kW or 5.6 - 5.9 W/kg. Nice power (wish I could do 6 w/kg - I'd power a small village) but not exceptional.



The figures from some of the other stages are far greater
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/forums/vi ... t=12624779

Kléber

It was a windy day too, so don't read too much into the numbers. It would be much more helpful if the riders made their SRM data available online but obviously they don't want their rivals seeing them.